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Old Posted Feb 20, 2015, 3:35 AM
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ICAO was the first thing I thought of when they said international organization. Just as an example of what it could be.
That type of organization doesn't relocate because some developer wants it to, relocating a UN agency would require a massive lobbying campaign by Canada and pissing off whichever country it came from (as happened when Qatar tried to poach ICAO a few years ago).
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back in 2007, mastercard set up a new global foundation. They were convinced (by someone?) to set up in Toronto. When announced, they also announced that two of the 7 initial board members would be canadians... then president of the University of Waterloo David Johnston and then managing director of Onex corp. Nigel Wright.

so i'm wondering now if harper has some similar play up his sleeve. Canada's laws require 3.5% disbursement of assets per year, compared to 5% in usa. I believe mastercard chose to set up when they did due to an impending IPO, and therefore gained a significant tax benefit. Any big american companies headed for IPO anytime soon?

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back in 2007, mastercard set up a new global foundation. They were convinced (by someone?) to set up in Toronto. When announced, they also announced that two of the 7 initial board members would be canadians... then president of the University of Waterloo David Johnston and then managing director of Onex corp. Nigel Wright.

so i'm wondering now if harper has some similar play up his sleeve. Canada's laws require 3.5% disbursement of assets per year, compared to 5% in usa. I believe mastercard chose to set up when they did due to an impending IPO, and therefore gained a significant tax benefit. Any big american companies headed for IPO anytime soon?
That would not be what I would think of as a "international organization". To me the term means UN/OAS/Francophonie (among others) related. I don't know of any that Canada is campaigning for (and it does require campaigning) and I can't imagine the Federal government shelling out millions for a new building in Ottawa (the host government normally pays for the building, not the international organization). To me, the proposal sounds "pie in the sky".
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I heard mention of a centre that can house Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs). Most of these are scattered throughout the city often in the fringes of downtown where the rents are lower, making it harder for them to network, liaise with the government and public, or even put up a decent face. A place where they can interact with each other and share facilities like meeting rooms, a presentation theatre, etc. could actually put a bit of shine back to Ottawa's and Canada's international image. Having organizations that fight for human rights and welfare in poverty or war stricken countries (Amnesty International, Oxfam, Care) across from the War Museum can also be symbolically powerful and appropriate.
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I heard mention of a centre that can house Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs). Most of these are scattered throughout the city often in the fringes of downtown where the rents are lower, making it harder for them to network, liaise with the government and public, or even put up a decent face. A place where they can interact with each other and share facilities like meeting rooms, a presentation theatre, etc. could actually put a bit of shine back to Ottawa's and Canada's international image. Having organizations that fight for human rights and welfare in poverty or war stricken countries (Amnesty International, Oxfam, Care) across from the War Museum can also be symbolically powerful and appropriate.
If such were the case, then perhaps somewhere nearby would be a better location for the dreaded Victims of Communism Monument...
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ICAO was the first thing I thought of when they said international organization. Just as an example of what it could be.
Make that three of us.
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Canada, Quebec and Montreal just spent a whole year fighting to keep ICAO in Montreal, the headquarters are a brand new building, there's no way ICAO is moving to another part of Canada. no. way.
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Are we allowed to move Jan Gehl onto the arena plan?
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If there are some good ideas in all proposals, will they be able to retain ideas from the losing proposals and incorporate them to the winning one?
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If there are some good ideas in all proposals, will they be able to retain ideas from the losing proposals and incorporate them to the winning one?
That's what I am wondering. Like could we see a grande allee of cultural institutions that includes an arena and concert venues?
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Are we allowed to move Jan Gehl onto the arena plan?
That'd be nice! After reading that Focus Equities nabbed him for their proposal, it certainly gave them a bit more credibility. I wasn't sure about them before, having not heard of them previously, but I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what they come up with now.

* I didn't see the Citizen article where this is mentioned on the forum yet, so here it is:

LeBreton proponents speak about their bids — cautiously (Ottawa Citizen)

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About RendezVous LeBreton:
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The Ottawa Senators’ bid for LeBreton Flats will include public and civic uses — in addition to a new arena, as well as residential and commercial development — and will rely heavily on transit to move game-goers.

“It’s safe to say we’re going to have a lot fewer dedicated parking spaces than we have now,” Senators president Cyril Leeder told the Citizen on Thursday. “It’s really an urban plan. The reason this site is appealing is that it has the transit focus, and we really want to make use of the transit.”

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Leeder wouldn’t even confirm what other companies are partnering with the Senators, other than to say there are two teams working on the project: one made up for developers to construct “an urban plan with a transit focus”, and another to concentrate on the sports and entertainment facility.

The sports organization is not intending to ask taxpayers to underwrite any of its plans.
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Focus Equities’ bid raised eyebrows with its promise to bring the headquarters of an international organization to Ottawa.

“Everyone’s interested in who the tenant is,” said David Fullbrook, the Victoria company’s director of acquisitions and development, adding that the firm has had discussion with an organization looking for a location in Ottawa.

“But I would suggest the more important question is, ‘Can you get it done?'”

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“Our approach going forward will be to begin the process again of looking at how this piece of land could be utilized in such a way as to be of benefit to the community,” he said. “Our focus is more on communities rather than buildings. Neighbourhoods outlast the buildings that start them.”

Focus Equities’ team includes internationally renowned architect Jan Gehl — famous for designing walkable, people-friendly communities — and Dialog, a Vancouver design firm that specializes in, among other thing, arts and culture institutions.
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French article from Le Droit which reveals some information I haven't seen from any of the Anglophone news outlets. Important parts numbered and translated:

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Publié le 18 février 2015 à 15h37 | Mis à jour le 19 février 2015 à 10h23

Plaines LeBreton: la CCN dévoile les projets présélectionnés

Quatre groupes, dont celui des Sénateurs d'Ottawa, figurent sur la courte liste de la Commission de la capitale nationale (CCN) pour aménager une «destination de calibre mondial» sur les plaines LeBreton.


La société d'État a dévoilé mercredi après-midi les groupes présélectionnés du secteur privé cherchant à revitaliser «l'une des dernières propriétés urbaines en grande partie intacte et inexploitée de la région de la capitale». Il s'agit de Claridge Homes, Devcore Group, Focus Equities et Rendez Vous LeBreton (le groupe des Sénateurs d'Ottawa).

«La qualité des propositions reçues nous encourage et nous sommes impatients de recevoir dans huit mois (novembre) les concepts détaillés des projets et les plans financiers de chacun de ses quatre promoteurs», a signalé Mark Kristmanson, premier dirigeant de la CCN.

À cet effet, chaque groupe qualifié recevra 75 000 $ de la CCN pour élaborer sa vision.

«Notre objectif est d'incorporer un concept créatif qui mettra l'accent sur une utilisation distincte du site pour animer davantage les environs, a soutenu à son tour Kay Stanley, membre du conseil d'administration de la CCN. Nul doute qu'il s'agit de l'un des plus importants projets que la CCN léguera à la région de la capitale nationale.»

Peu de détails
Les concepts des quatre promoteurs privés dévoilés mercredi par la CCN ont offert une idée générale des projets, sans s'attarder sur des détails précis ni même de croquis. Tout cela afin de «respecter l'intégrité du processus», a tenu à souligner M. Kristmanson.

Ainsi, Claridge Homes propose un complexe avec des installations extérieures et intérieures pour la tenue de spectacles et dédiées à des entreprises culturelles.

De son côté, Devcore Group prévoit aménager plusieurs institutions culturelles entourées d'une grande allée tandis que Focus Equities veut accueillir le siège social d'une organisation internationale - non déterminée pour l'heure - en plus d'ajouter des lieux culturels.

Finalement, Rendez Vous LeBreton a soumis le concept d'un «important amphithéâtre où auront lieu des manifestations sportives et des spectacles». Il s'agit du projet de complexe sportif des Sénateurs d'Ottawa.

1. La cinquième proposition, qui aurait proposé une surface de yoga extérieure et une maison des naissances, selon nos informations, n'a pas été retenue par le comité de sélection - formé de hauts dirigeants de la CCN et de deux experts externes -, puisqu'elle ne répondait pas aux critères de sélection établis. La CCN a signalé mercredi qu'elle s'est notamment basée sur le concept général du projet ainsi que les qualifications et l'expérience antérieure en la matière d'un promoteur dans sa sélection d'une proposition «digne d'une grande capitale».

«Processus très ouvert»

Par ailleurs, la CCN a signalé que des 2. consultations publiques auront lieu au début de la prochaine année. C'est à ce moment que le détail des soumissions et les divers concepts seront dévoilés au grand jour pour obtenir les commentaires des citoyens. 3. L'appel d'offres ne sera toutefois pas rendu public. Seuls les promoteurs présélectionnés le recevront, a confirmé la société d'État. «En somme, c'est pour leur permettre de travailler sur leur proposition sans être distraits par des commentaires extérieurs», a expliqué Pierre Lanctôt, directeur général des Services généraux de la CCN.

«J'estime que ce processus est très ouvert (et transparent) et suit notre méthodologie habituelle pour ce type d'appel d'offres au cours des dernières années. [...] Les promoteurs ont besoin d'une latitude nécessaire pour peaufiner leur proposition», a résumé M. Kristmanson en parlant de la méthodologie utilisée par la CCN.

Le nom du promoteur retenu doit être annoncé au milieu de 2016.
1. The group who were eliminated from the competition proposed an area for outdoor yoga and a birthing centre. They were not asked to submit a detailed proposal because they did not meet the criteria.

2. Public consultations will be held in early 2016 once the detailed concepts and submissions are revealed.

3. The RFP will only be given to the 4 finalists. The public will never have a chance to view them so that the proponents have the chance to work on their proposal without outside intervention.
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Old Posted Feb 21, 2015, 2:59 AM
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I also first thought of ICAO. I've been pondering what that could mean- personally really think IAEA would be *very* exciting- International Atomic Energy Agency. But very unlikely.
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The IAEA has its headquarters in Vienna, Austria. The IAEA has two "Regional Safeguards Offices" which are located in Toronto, Canada, and in Tokyo, Japan. The IAEA also has two liaison offices which are located in New York City, United States, and in Geneva, Switzerland. In addition, the IAEA has three laboratories located in Vienna and Seibersdorf, Austria, and in Monaco.


Again, I don't think that's it- but if I would will one into existence it would be IAEA. IAEA (Vienna) + Commission for the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (Vienna) + Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (The Hague) stacking on the work of the Ottawa treaty of land mines would be my "throw money at them to make it happen" dream team if we're going the route of International organization for the flats.
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Maybe the Arctic Council wants to create a permanent seat?

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The first step towards the formation of the Council occurred in 1991 when the eight Arctic countries signed the Arctic Environmental Protection Strategy (AEPS). The 1996 Ottawa Declaration[1] established the Arctic Council[2] as forum for promoting cooperation, coordination, and interaction among the Arctic States, with the involvement of the Arctic Indigenous communities and other Arctic inhabitants on issues such as sustainable development and environmental protection.[3] The Arctic Council has conducted studies on climate change, oil and gas, and Arctic shipping.[4][5]

In 2011, the Council member states concluded the Arctic Search and Rescue Agreement, the first binding treaty concluded under the Council's auspices.[6]
This is actually also very exciting to think about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Council
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That makes more sense.
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That makes more sense.
The new headquarters just opened up last year in Tromso (Norway), so no, there will be no Arctic Council headquarters in Ottawa.

In fact I am doubtful any such organisation will headquarter in Ottawa in the near future. The fact is we have very little international political capital at the moment. I would bet on the cultural venue proposal winning (absent any details). A hockey rink is just too local.
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From what I understand the "permanent" Secretariat location in Norway is just "temporary". Norway nominated the Norwegian Polar Institute to host the permanent secretariat (which use to be a position that rotated) in 2012, 3 years ago and no building was constructed for it.

It's a international research facility for the Arctic and quite a looker if you ask me.


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If the Arctic Council HQ were up for grabs, I'd rather see it located somewhere like Iqaluit. The economic impact there would be considerable, and it would put a bit of meat on all this governments Arctic rhetoric.
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If the Arctic Council HQ were up for grabs, I'd rather see it located somewhere like Iqaluit. The economic impact there would be considerable, and it would put a bit of meat on all this governments Arctic rhetoric.
In a way, I agree. At the same time, there would be advantages to having it somewhere more accessible and populated (in terms of cost and human capital).
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The Arctic Council Secretariat is permanently located in Tromso (there should be a slash through the o) Norway. Moving it would require all 8 members (including Norway) to agree. Also, I'm not sure how Ottawa (a city at about the 45th parallel) would be better than a city actually in the Arctic.

This is the problem with this proposal: international organizations already have headquarters, the countries (or Canadian cities) that host them are attached to them and will fight any attempt to poach them (as Canada did when Qatar tried to poach ICAO). And even if an international organization wanted to move (say there was a dispute with Switzerland) an international organization would not tie its selection process to a land development proposal from some developer in Victoria - they would either have a selection process that Canada would have to actively apply for (including identifying land) or Canada would have to actively engage through backroom channels to sway those in charge.

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