Calgary Public Transit II - Page 28

Riise · #**541** Posted **May 9, 2010, 11:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by Yume-sama

... but even in Edmonton when I took the LRT after a game there was heavy police presence at the station, and everyone was very well behaved...

According to what I gleaned from my Sports Sociology textbook, I did manage to do some light reading during my undergrad, having a heavy police presence might be counter-productive. I think it followed the logic that people, especially the would-be troublemakers, start to feel intimidated or agitated and as a consequence might act out. Nonetheless, they do need to have a recognizable presence.

Riise · #**542** Posted **May 9, 2010, 2:15 PM**

Hey frink, while you compose the permanent front page you post the CTrain thread I made for SSC if you'd like. Here it is:

Source: Wikipedia.org

Info

General
Location: Calgary, Canada
Opened: 25 May 1981
Operator: Calgary Transit
Type: Light Rail/Rapid Transit

Stats
Length: 48.8km
Number of Lines: 3
Number of Stations: 37
Daily Ridership: 266,100

Technical
Gauge: Standard
Powered By: Electricity
Power Source: Overhead Wires
Rolling Stock: Siemens-Duewag U2 + Siemens SD-160

Lines
201 - Somerset/Bridlewood-Crowfoot
202 - McKnight/Westwinds-City Centre

Pictures

Source: Surrealplaces@flickr

Source: calgary.ca

Source: Floating Imitations@flickr

Source: Wikipedia.org

Source: The Chemist@skyscraperpage

Source:Surrealplaces@skyscraperpage

Source: Surrealplaces@skyscraperpage

Current Development

West LRT
Length: 8km
Number of Stations: 6
Category: Line Expansion
Targeted Completion Date: 2012

NELRT Extension
Length: 2.9km
Number of Stations: 2
Category: Line Extension
Targeted Completion Date: 2012

NWLRT Extension
Length: 2.5km
Number of Stations: 1
Category: Line Extension
Targeted Completion Date: 2014

7th Avenue Transit Mall Refurbishment
Length: 0.0km
Number of Stations: -1*
Category: Line Refurbishment
Targeted Completion Date: 2012

*Due to station twinning there will be a net reduction in stations.

Future Development

Downtown Subway
Length: TBD
Number of Stations: 5
Category: Line Movement
Targeted Completion Date: 2017

SELRT
Length: TBD
Number of Stations: 10
Category: Brand New Line
Targeted Completion Date: 2023

NCLRT
Length: TBD
Number of Stations: 10*
Category: Brand New Line
Targeted Completion Date: TBD

*Subject to change.

frinkprof · #**543** Posted **May 9, 2010, 3:04 PM**

Nevermind.

freeweed · #**544** Posted **May 9, 2010, 4:31 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riise

According to what I gleaned from my Sports Sociology textbook, I did manage to do some light reading during my undergrad, having a heavy police presence might be counter-productive. I think it followed the logic that people, especially the would-be troublemakers, start to feel intimidated or agitated and as a consequence might act out. Nonetheless, they do need to have a recognizable presence.

Quite true. You definitely don't want TOO much of a presence, and like I said earlier, you don't want them trying to crack down on every minor thing.

Coupla kids swear a bit on the LRT? Let it slide, even if our stupid laws technically say that's illegal. Coupla guys start shoving each other into other passengers? That's when you do something.

PS: that LRT map above says 2012 for Tuscany station.

frinkprof · #**545** Posted **May 10, 2010, 12:38 AM**

Nevermind.

DizzyEdge · #**546** Posted **May 10, 2010, 4:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Riise

Hey frink, while you compose the permanent front page you post the CTrain thread I made for SSC if you'd like. Here it is:

Wow 2012 is going to be an epic LRT year. (assuming the world doesn't end

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frinkprof · #**547** Posted **May 10, 2010, 6:12 PM**

Nevermind.

Riise · #**548** Posted **May 10, 2010, 6:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by frinkprof

^Thanks Riise. Didn't know you were a member at SSC. I'll use that for now, with credit of course. Just need the code. Either take it out of the quotes in your above post, or PM me the code. Thanks.

Your welcome. For the most part I only lurk on SSP as Calgary does not have that big of a presence there, but with the larger international audience I though I'd provide something I know a little bit about. I'll remove the double quotation from my earlier post so you can grab the code from it.

Radley77 · #**549** Posted **May 11, 2010, 6:11 PM**

City of Calgary News Blog, (May 10, 2010), Construction on 7th Ave LRT Enters Final Phase

• Video Link

mersar · #**550** Posted **May 11, 2010, 6:39 PM**

Thanks for posting that. Interesting to hear the tidbit about the 8th ave subway, though did I hear correct that they want it to be 5 car?

frinkprof · #**551** Posted **May 11, 2010, 6:45 PM**

Nevermind.

fusili · #**552** Posted **May 11, 2010, 7:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by frinkprof

^Yup. 5 car platforms for 8th Avenue Subway. Makes sense. You would hate to build 4 cars and then 15 or 20 years later realize you need to expand to 5 cars, or put a new line in there that will be 5 car capacity, etc. See the Canada Line in Vancouver.

Then why, why oh why, are they upgrading to 4 cars now on the NW/S line instead of 5?

freeweed · #**553** Posted **May 11, 2010, 8:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by fusili

Then why, why oh why, are they upgrading to 4 cars now on the NW/S line instead of 5?

Waaaaay cheaper to go from 4 to 5 on the aboveground stations compared to underground.

To be honest I'm happy they're not over-expanding. It won't be used for years, and it just confuses people. Even right now on 7th Ave, people often don't know where the train is gonna stop. Imagine with 5 car platforms.

frinkprof · #**554** Posted **May 11, 2010, 8:44 PM**

Nevermind.

fusili · #**555** Posted **May 11, 2010, 8:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by freeweed

Waaaaay cheaper to go from 4 to 5 on the aboveground stations compared to underground.

To be honest I'm happy they're not over-expanding. It won't be used for years, and it just confuses people. Even right now on 7th Ave, people often don't know where the train is gonna stop. Imagine with 5 car platforms.

My concern is not so much over construction timing, but on station design. Will they be redesigning stations so they can accommodate 5 cars. I know places like Lion's Park, SAIT and Sunnyside will have issues with 5 car trains, not sure about the South line. They will not necessarily have to build the full platform length, but they will have to ensure that expansion is possible in the future. I am not sure they are currently doing this. If the plan is for 5 car expansion in the future, they should be doing this now.

frinkprof · #**556** Posted **May 11, 2010, 8:45 PM**

Nevermind.

freeweed · #**557** Posted **May 11, 2010, 9:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by fusili

My concern is not so much over construction timing, but on station design. Will they be redesigning stations so they can accommodate 5 cars. I know places like Lion's Park, SAIT and Sunnyside will have issues with 5 car trains, not sure about the South line. They will not necessarily have to build the full platform length, but they will have to ensure that expansion is possible in the future. I am not sure they are currently doing this. If the plan is for 5 car expansion in the future, they should be doing this now.

Ah, good point. If they AREN'T planning for 5 cars within 20 years, they're complete idiots. I'm just spoiled with the newer NW stations, with them it's just a matter of extending a concrete apron so I always assume it's a trivial thing. Hadn't really thought about the stations themselves hindering expansion.

frinkprof · #**558** Posted **May 11, 2010, 9:21 PM**

Nevermind.

fusili · #**559** Posted **May 11, 2010, 9:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by frinkprof

Question for regular transit (specifically LRT) commuters during the past 4 years or so. I'm involved in a discussion of transit on another forum. When asked about pet peeves, one person responded with this:

Then, in response to someone's desire for 5 minute headways at all times of the day, the same person responded with this:

Now, is it just me or is this way off base? Not saying delays don't occur, but nearly every day, for 20+ minutes? Maybe during the work-to-rule situation in 2007? Passing out on trains? Is that a common occurance?

Now, I used to take the train every day (and I do mean every single day), but that was some time ago, so I'm just wondering if I can hear some thoughts from people who do so currently.

I know a girl who takes the 301 to work (our BRT). She says in bad weather it is consistently 20 minutes late. Ridiculous for a supposed rapid transit system.

bigcanuck · #**560** Posted **May 11, 2010, 9:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by fusili

I know a girl who takes the 301 to work (our BRT). She says in bad weather it is consistently 20 minutes late. Ridiculous for a supposed rapid transit system.

I take the 301 during rush hour from the west side of the city - I have for over 1 year (and for at least 2 out of the past 3 years). I can probably count on 1 hand the number of times I had to wait more than 15 minutes for the 301 - even during the harshest winter storms this year. I can recall one of the massive Friday afternoon storms we had last November (December?) where leaving downtown I had to wait about 30 minutes - I ended up hopping on a 101 and walking to my car since I figured it was better to simply get out of the core than wait it out.

I have no complaints with the 301. It's rapid enough for me.