Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

[cololi]

Originally Posted by delts145

Developers pitch diversity for WVC marketplace


http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_10250461

WEST VALLEY CITY - The residents and their cultural diversity are the city's best asset, a development group pitching a plan for an international marketplace told the City Council on Tuesday.
Ascent Construction's Brad Knowlton said he and his partners can capitalize on that diversity to turn 33 vacant acres west of the Jordan River into a mix of offices, shops, restaurants, condominiums and apartments "where people can be themselves, where people can feel welcome."

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I have absolutely no faith in this development. I believe Ascent Construction was involved in the Kenndey Town Center condo project downtown that went belly up with the foundation in the ground. I doubt that the developers have the ability to pull off this size of development.

[cololi]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Has anything change in the last 40 years when it comes with mall development?
Looking at these pics that I took yesterday at the mall redevelopment in Murray I was starting to wounder if this development will improve the mall itself.
Just take Nordstrom's for example. The new Nordstrom's doesn't really look anything different then the old building other then it's newer. Just take a look at the pics I took. The new building ( Just like the old ) doesn't really have any windows. It's still just a grant big box that sits in the middle of a parking lot. Is having a new Nordstrom's building really a improvement? Will this big windowless box be just as out of place as the old building in 40 years from now? What do you guys think?
I think they should of at least put in a few more windows.

Mall developers have not changed anything. Even City Creek, at least the retail portion of it, is still an inward oriented shopping mall. At least CCC is part of a much larger project so the fact that they essentially took the roof off Crossroads and ZCMI is not as noticeable.

Suburban mall developers will continue to develop their model until spending habits change.

[DMTower]

^^^ Large department stores such as Nordstrom, Macy's, and Dilliards will always build large boxy stores with no windows because they like to maximize floor space. Windows ruin the accent lighting in the store and you can't hang anything on walls where windows are. The amount of windows the CCC Nordstrom's will have is actually unusual.

[jmonkey]

A department store's exterior also is a function of the stores interior layout. Auxiliary areas, like fitting rooms, stock rooms, and offices, are clustered around the exterior walls, with the interior floorspace devoted to the sales floor. It's not a plan that makes large walls of windows very practical. You are more likely to see a large skylight in a department store than you will a window.

No, not much has changed in the layouts of department stores over the last 30 years--the industry has focused on it's consolidation into large chains instead. The last I heard about the anchor stores at City Creek, Macy's will be trying a new prototype there--new layout, merchandise presentation, customer facilities-- but I don't know what that will be exactly yet, or if they will actually follow through. I don't believe that the new Nordstrom store will have glass exterior--I think that's just a glass facade.

I think the new Nordstrom at Fashion Place is just bigger, and of course new. From what I've always heard, this location pulls in money like crazy. It's by and large the most profitable, and successful Nordstrom in the state, especially when you look at their former stores at Ogden City Mall, and Crossroads Plaza. They also have a fairly new store at University Mall.

[arkhitektor]

What are the plans for the current Dillards? I'd replace it before Nordstrom in a heartbeat.



Does anyone have a link to plans for the overall mall renovation?
Please tell me that they are planning on doing something to Dillards, like blowing it up.

[T-Mac]

Columbia Sportswear to open outlet store in Park City this fall

By Barbara Rattle
The Enterprise

Columbia Sportswear Co., a Portland, Ore.-based manufacturer, distributor and retailer of outerwear with more than 2,700 employees worldwide, will open an outlet center in Park City in October.

Build-out of the approximately 10,000 square foot store at 6699 N. Landmark Dr. in the Tanger Outlet Center is under way and the store should open Oct. 1, said Kerry Barnes, vice president of retail. As an outlet store, the facility will carry discontinued products discounted from the original MSRP pricing. The Park City location will be slightly larger than the 22 other outlet stores that Columbia Sportswear operates nationwide.

"We do a number of stores with Tanger Outlets and they're a great landlord," Barnes said. "Columbia Sportswear is an outerwear company and we think we can do great business there and it also helps spread the brand for us. We don't have a lot of exposure in the Salt Lake area. I believe Cabela's carries some of our merchandise and I think we have some other wholesale partners there."

The Park City outlet store will employ between 20 and 30 people and be open year-round. Barnes said the company will begin a radio, television and newspaper advertising campaign shortly before the store's grand opening this fall.

In addition to outlet stores, the firm has a Columbia retail store as well as a Mountain Hardwear store, both in Portland. Columbia purchased Mountain Hardwear a number of years ago. Plans call for retail stores to open soon at the Portland International Airport, in downtown Seattle, in the Mall of America in Minneapolis and in Chicago, Barnes said.

Founded in 1938, Columbia Sportswear has grown from a small, family-owned hat distributorship to one of the world's largest outerwear brands and the leading seller of skiwear in the United States. In 2006, the firm reported net sales of nearly $1.29 billion. The firm's product line includes a wide variety of outerwear, sportswear, rugged footwear and accessories. Products are available through more than 13,000 retailers in 72 countries. Its family of brands has grown to include Montrail, Pacific Trail and Sorel.

[jmonkey]

Originally Posted by arkhitektor

What are the plans for the current Dillards? I'd replace it before Nordstrom in a heartbeat.



Does anyone have a link to plans for the overall mall renovation?
Please tell me that they are planning on doing something to Dillards, like blowing it up.

That Dillard's store is also destined for the wrecking ball

from General Growth Properties, ggp.com:

"Fashion Place is currently undergoing extensive renovations, which will modernize the center and add 240,000 square feet of shop space, including the addition of a welcoming pedestrian-friendly streetscape. The renovation includes new stores for both Nordstrom and Dillard's, which with Sears, serve as the mall's anchors. The project will also encompass a contemporary upgrade of the food court and expand the center's parking facilities. The new Fashion Place will be complete by 2011."

[cololi]

Originally Posted by jmonkey

I think the new Nordstrom at Fashion Place is just bigger, and of course new. From what I've always heard, this location pulls in money like crazy. It's by and large the most profitable, and successful Nordstrom in the state, especially when you look at their former stores at Ogden City Mall, and Crossroads Plaza. They also have a fairly new store at University Mall.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head with the interior function dictating exterior design. While dept. stores as a whole have seen a decline in sales, they are still profitable. Until shoppers demand a more boutique style experience, they will not change. Nordstrom was actually planning on doing this if the SL City Council would have allowed them to relocate to Gateway a few years back. But having them in the core is much better than having a boutique style design. Macy's revamped floor plans that you mention are generally new to them, but not new to dept. store layout.

Not only is that Nordstrom the highest ranking in Utah, which is really a no brainer when you consider their shopping base, but it is also, per square foot of sales, is also one of the highest in the nation and they have number of highly rated salespersons (based on total dollar sales) which is amazing for how small the Utah market is for them. They have been planning on rebuilding that store for probably about 10 years now. What the current store does not have though is a good layout, off floor storage space or office space for managers, or the full array of departments that the other Nordstroms have. Even though this store will be larger and have more product, it will not be the flagship store in Utah, that is reserved for CCC. And there are hardly any windows on the CCC Nordstrom. The W Temple elevation is a glass facade.

[SLC Projects]

My understanding was that there would be a new Dillards store to the North. ( Just like Nordstrom ) And the old store would be turned into part of the Mall expansion. Also there will be a two or three level parking just East of the Dillards.

[delts145]

Hmmm, when you consider they're not tearing down the old Nordstrom or Dillard's, plus all of the additions, this is going to end up as one mammoth sized mall.

[RC14]

Here are some pictures I took yesterday at about 3:30pm, of the Valley Fair Mall renovation.
[IMG][/IMG] The costco in the back ground was completed last year at about this time as part of this project. The Wells Fargo is also part of this project.
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This photo was taken through the window of a moving MAX bus. That's why the quality isn't that great, Sorry.

[RFPCME]

RC14: Thanks for the pictures. The Valley Fair rebuild had slipped below my radar. You put it back on the screen.

[RFPCME]

Originally Posted by cololi

You pretty much hit the nail on the head with the interior function dictating exterior design. While dept. stores as a whole have seen a decline in sales, they are still profitable. Until shoppers demand a more boutique style experience, they will not change. Nordstrom was actually planning on doing this if the SL City Council would have allowed them to relocate to Gateway a few years back. But having them in the core is much better than having a boutique style design. Macy's revamped floor plans that you mention are generally new to them, but not new to dept. store layout.

Not only is that Nordstrom the highest ranking in Utah, which is really a no brainer when you consider their shopping base, but it is also, per square foot of sales, is also one of the highest in the nation and they have number of highly rated salespersons (based on total dollar sales) which is amazing for how small the Utah market is for them. They have been planning on rebuilding that store for probably about 10 years now. What the current store does not have though is a good layout, off floor storage space or office space for managers, or the full array of departments that the other Nordstroms have. Even though this store will be larger and have more product, it will not be the flagship store in Utah, that is reserved for CCC. And there are hardly any windows on the CCC Nordstrom. The W Temple elevation is a glass facade.

Cololi: Very interesting discussion. It's fascinating to learn about the details of retailing.

[SLC Projects]

Thanks for the pics RC14. However I wish the developer would of done more to the mall over then just adding a few single story store fronts. Oh well, better then nothing I guess.

[RC14]

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I agree, I belive the origional plan called for 4 story Condo towers, but those got scraped before this project got off the ground.

[delts145]

West Valley market proposals fall flat with council

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1...253612,00.html

WEST VALLEY CITY — The Utah Cultural Celebration Center may become more renowned once the city completes its proposed $100 million multicultural Jordan River Marketplace.

The West Valley City Council met Tuesday afternoon in a study meeting to hear the last of two proposals for redevelopment of a field just north of 3300 South. Last week, the council heard MVM Development's proposal for an international marketplace. The council was concerned the plans were too similar to a strip mall.

This week's proposal came from Ascent Construction. Its vision featured pedestrian walkways and river walks, multi-use trails, ethnic restaurants, outdoor dining, stores, condos, business offices and cultural landmarks...
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[Elworth]

I read through the whole thread, and I just wanted to let you guys know that the legislature redistributed the sales tax. Now a portion of it goes to the city where the business is located and the other portion is distributed by the population of each city, although I am unsure if it is on a statewide basis, or just a county basis. I think they changed the law in '06 or '07. I'll find it and let you all know exactly what it says.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by delts145

WEST VALLEY CITY — The Utah Cultural Celebration Center may become more renowned once the city completes its proposed $100 million multicultural Jordan River Marketplace.

The council was concerned the plans were too similar to a strip mall.

This week's proposal came from Ascent Construction. Its vision featured pedestrian walkways and river walks, multi-use trails, ethnic restaurants, outdoor dining, stores, condos, business offices and cultural landmarks...
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That's the last thing we all need is another strip mall. This "multicultural Jordan River Marketplace" could be a cool project if it was set up kind of like CCC or Gateway. But if it's going to be more like Jordan Landings with acres and acres of parkings lots with single story big box retails then this will be nothing special.

[aspiringArchitect]

Originally Posted by delts145

West Valley market proposals fall flat with council

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1...253612,00.html

WEST VALLEY CITY — The Utah Cultural Celebration Center may become more renowned once the city completes its proposed $100 million multicultural Jordan River Marketplace.

The West Valley City Council met Tuesday afternoon in a study meeting to hear the last of two proposals for redevelopment of a field just north of 3300 South. Last week, the council heard MVM Development's proposal for an international marketplace. The council was concerned the plans were too similar to a strip mall.

This week's proposal came from Ascent Construction. Its vision featured pedestrian walkways and river walks, multi-use trails, ethnic restaurants, outdoor dining, stores, condos, business offices and cultural landmarks...
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I like the second propsal alot. It sounds like it could really turn WVC into something.

The "cultural landmarks" do sound a little Vegas-ey, though.

[delts145]

Friday - April 22nd

By Rosemary Winters
The Salt Lake Tribune

Arts-and-culture district,Sandy eyes zoning change that would send new buildings skyward
Building height limit would rise from 140 to 600 feet or 50 stories

SANDY - This southern Salt Lake Valley 'burb could bust through its 140-foot-capped skyline to allow buildings up to 600 feet tall.

On Thursday, Sandy's Planning Commission recommended that the city create new arts-and-culture zoning in its central business district to pave the way for a proposed $560 million, mixed-use project that includes three towers, each up to 40 stories tall.



The Proscenium, plotted near 10100 South and Interstate 15, would be home to a 2,700-seat Broadway-style theater, three smaller theaters, a performing arts school, offices, condos and a hotel.
The Planning Commission also recommended on Thursday that the 12-acre Proscenium site be given the new zoning. The Sandy City Council has final say on whether to approve the arts-and-culture designation and apply it to The Proscenium.
"What we've laid out is . . . what we need to build our project," Proscenium architect Russell Platt told the commission.
Within the arts-and-culture zone, the Planning Commission would have discretion to approve building heights beyond the city's 140-foot limit to up to 600 feet, or roughly 50 stories.
To snag a loftier height, a building would have to score silver or better in the national LEED (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) certification program, contain at least three different uses and have distinctive ground, middle and top sections, including an interesting street-level design. The developer would be required to provide a report on the project's economic impact.

The arts-and-culture zoning, which land owners could apply for throughout Sandy's commercial core, also requires a developer to provide open space, public art, pedestrian promenades and a 24-hour population - through building a hotel, housing or both.

Sandy resident Larry Engel worried about the traffic problems that could be caused by allowing high-density towers in the city center.
"We can't handle the traffic. We can't handle what we've got now during rush hour," he told the commission. "Part of being a resident of Sandy was coming here to live for the quality of life."
Sandy also is crafting a separate ordinance that could raise the 140-foot limit, or about 10 stories, to 200 feet, or 15 stories, throughout the central business district, which spans the Interstate 15 corridor from the South Towne Exposition Center near 9400 South to the South Towne Mall near 10600 South.



What's next - Tuesday, August 26th, 2008

The Sandy City Council will consider adopting a new arts-and-culture land-use zone and applying it to the planned Proscenium project at its meeting today, Tuesday, 7 p.m., Sandy City Hall, 10000 S. Centennial Parkway.

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