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Old Posted Apr 6, 2016, 11:49 PM
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A bit of an update on the 9,000 seat Moncton Events Centre, currently under construction in downtown Moncton.

The exterior design of the building has been muted. Gone are the multicoloured panels at the top of the building. They went over like a lead balloon during public consultations on the design. Instead of the panels, coloured spotlights will shine on the upper portion of the building during special events and festivals.



The design for the multifunction plaza in front of the arena has been finalized. This will include a large outdoor space to be used as a skating rink in the winter and as a gathering space and performance space in the summer with an outdoor stage. The skating surface will have an ice plant shared with the arena, and an adjacent building will serve as a place to rent skates and as an info booth and cafe. This plaza will add another $7.2M to the cost of the project (now nearing $120M).



Here's a flyover animation of the new public plaza:

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Old Posted Apr 7, 2016, 1:03 AM
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Groundskeeper confident Toronto FC, Argos can share BMO Field
Neil Davidson The Canadian Press/TSN.ca April 6/2016

TORONTO - Toronto FC head groundskeeper Robert Heggie has a message to any TFC fans gritting their teeth over sharing BMO Field with the CFL Argonauts.

"I've always said there's one person in Toronto that should be worried about this and it's me. And I'm not overly worried about it," Heggie said.

"So if I'm not worried, everyone can just simmer down a little bit and let's see what happens in June," he added.

Toronto FC opens at home May 7 while the Argos kick off their regular-season schedule June 23.

Like Snoop Dogg, Heggie knows his grass.

In 2015, he was Sports Turf Canada's turf manager of the year. Heggie, who studied horticulture and turf grass management at the University of Guelph, has been TFC's head groundskeeper for seven seasons and has spent two years preparing for the advent of the Argonauts. He's talked to peers around the world to pick their brains, from officials at Wembley Stadium to those at MLS and NFL venues.

He acknowledges there will be growing pains, especially in a season with a compressed soccer schedule due to the stadium renovations. Weather, particularly rain around Argo games, will also complicate matters.

But Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment, which owns TFC and operates BMO Field, has seemingly spared no option to ensure the ground-sharing works.

"We knew from Day 1 this was going to be a very sensitive subject," said Bob Hunter, MLSE's chief project development officer. "Two of the three (MLSE) owners own the Argos, they're very sensitive to it and Larry (MLSE chairman Larry Tanenbaum) in particular has been very focused on ensuring we have a very very high-quality TFC pitch."

A new turf field — the third to grace BMO Field since artificial turf was removed in 2010 — is set to be installed this week, weather permitting. It has a much thicker base and should settle in much quicker and tighter.

It comes in rolls 60 feet by four feet (18 by 1.2 metres) and is laid on 12 inches (30 centimetres) of sand, which covers the heating and aeration system underneath.

"For all argument's sake, it's a two-acre golf green," said Heggie.

The surface starts as Kentucky bluegrass. Heggie's crew will add in perennial rye grass, which grows better in cooler temperatures as the season wears on.

A backup field is ready and waiting in the Hamilton area if any portions of the BMO surface need replacing. It could be installed within 36 hours — and played on 24 hours later.

A third option is a hybrid field, with natural grass growing around artificial roots to strengthen the turf. That was touted by former MLSE boss Tim Leiweke as the answer to grass problems. But it is less flexible because it is hard to replace, in part or in total.

A hybrid field can also harden.

"We've had this (TFC) team for about two years now so I know what they like," Heggie said, "And I know they don't like it hard."

More than $1 million has been invested in grow-lights to help keep the grass healthy. BMO Field finally got an exemption to use pesticides, which golf courses, lawn bowling clubs and cricket grounds already had. Heggie says he tries to avoid using them but they are another part of his arsenal.

Heggie has turned to Supaturf, an Australian company that specializes in line-marking systems, for the paint need to lay down the lines for football and the ability to remove them. It's not cheap but it is effective, says Heggie.

"They won't tell you the Caramilk secret, obviously on how it actually works," he said.

But the paint solution contains water and malt, among other ingredients. A remover product that reacts to the paint will be sprayed immediately after the game.

There may be some slight ghosting the next day but it will disappear after that, he says.

In Heggie's office at the Kia Training Ground, a calendar above his computer shows both the MLS and CFL games. There is plenty of white between the two — enough time to prepare the pitch, MLSE believes.

Repairing damage caused by the Argos is "basic agronomy," Heggie said. Seeding, watering and fertilization.

The grass will be kept a little higher for CFL games than MLS contests, if timing permits. That grass cut will help remove vestiges of the paint and Heggie says football players like a little more cushion in the grass.

Heggie also has some cosmetic cheats up his sleeve, like a green pigment and green sand that groundskeepers commonly use to touch up the colour as needed.

As part of the ongoing renovations to the stadium, two positions for the football goalposts have been installed. While just a yard or so apart, it means the football lines won't be laid down the same place every game.

All this work and new grass will likely still have to be installed in advance of next season. Heggie says the grass will suffer after being covered for weeks in the leadup to the planned Winter Classic.
     
     
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Glad they went away with the multicoloured panels in moncton
     
     
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Nice looking project for $120m. The plaza is a nice addition. Is there a lot of support for this project in Moncton?

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Old Posted Apr 7, 2016, 3:13 AM
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Nice looking project for $120m. The plaza is a nice addition. Is there a lot of support for this project in Moncton?
Depends if you're a property owner or not.

Many property owners are concerned about what effect this might have on the property tax rate, but with federal and provincial contributions, the city itself will likely be on the hook for no more than $40-50M.

One of the problems with Moncton is that it is a collection of contiguous communities (one of the nicknames for the place is the "tri-city area"). Even though the CMA is approaching 150,000 people, the city of Moncton itself is only 70,000. Dieppe & Riverview are not contributing to the costs of the events centre, so it's a pretty ambitious project for the city.

Overall,the majority of people in the city view this as a vital piece of infrastructure which will kickstart revitalization in the west end of the downtown core. It has pretty broad support,
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Depends if you're a property owner or not.

Many property owners are concerned about what effect this might have on the property tax rate, but with federal and provincial contributions, the city itself will likely be on the hook for no more than $40-50M.

One of the problems with Moncton is that it is a collection of contiguous communities (one of the nicknames for the place is the "tri-city area"). Even though the CMA is approaching 150,000 people, the city of Moncton itself is only 70,000. Dieppe & Riverview are not contributing to the costs of the events centre, so it's a pretty ambitious project for the city.

Overall,the majority of people in the city view this as a vital piece of infrastructure which will kickstart revitalization in the west end of the downtown core. It has pretty broad support,
It's good to see your city not being afraid to invest in such a project. $40 to $50m might be a lot for a city of 70K but it shouldn't take too long to get that back once revitalization starts taking place, people coming to town to attend events, etc. Good for civic pride as well. I also don't see this having too much of an impact on property taxes.
     
     
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Depends if you're a property owner or not.

Many property owners are concerned about what effect this might have on the property tax rate, but with federal and provincial contributions, the city itself will likely be on the hook for no more than $40-50M.

One of the problems with Moncton is that it is a collection of contiguous communities (one of the nicknames for the place is the "tri-city area"). Even though the CMA is approaching 150,000 people, the city of Moncton itself is only 70,000. Dieppe & Riverview are not contributing to the costs of the events centre, so it's a pretty ambitious project for the city.

Overall,the majority of people in the city view this as a vital piece of infrastructure which will kickstart revitalization in the west end of the downtown core. It has pretty broad support,
thought the feds weren't contributing funds to sports arenas/stadiums unless they're tied to a major games. was this only a conservative thing and the liberals are open to spending those funds?
     
     
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thought the feds weren't contributing funds to sports arenas/stadiums unless they're tied to a major games. was this only a conservative thing and the liberals are open to spending those funds?
You're correct. The feds don't contribute directly to funding sports infrastructure. What the city did was come up with an ingenious plan for "replacement funding" to which the feds are contributing. For example, the city is partly replacing it's fleet of transit busses (13 new busses I believe), with the feds contributing a relatively large portion of the budget. The money that the city would have otherwise spent on the busses is now going to the events centre instead. There are a number of infrastructure projects around the city like that.

It's robbing Peter to pay Paul really, but it all works out in the end.
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The Moncton rink is nice. I'm getting a bit of a Canadian Tire Centre vibe from it... just updated and scaled down somewhat.
     
     
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thought the feds weren't contributing funds to sports arenas/stadiums unless they're tied to a major games.
You can also get funds through an affiliation with an educational institution or if you really can pull a shim sham shimmy, the P3 funding program (Regina, I believe tried and failed on that one)
     
     
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Good arena and plaza design but from a pedestrian perspective the centre median (built for right turns for drivers) is horrible for pedestrians. Kinda bad especially if you want to walk up to the plaza, looks like a two stage pedestrian crossing.
     
     
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Now that was a great closing for Rexall. Classic.
     
     
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Full dirt infield makes a big difference to the look of Rogers Centre. Looks good
     
     
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Re Skydome

If I'm Shapiro, I, very quietly, put the grass debate to bed. It seems like a potential money pit and the grass infield really helps from an aesthetic stand point. Apply that part of the budget to more attainable upgrades to the dome...
     
     
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If I'm Shapiro, I, very quietly, put the grass debate to bed.
Haven't they done that or are they still pretending?
     
     
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In the near future Skydome will be the only park with turf, the Rays will either leave town or build a new park down the road. When it gets to that point Skydome will need a major gut job anyway. Grass may not be feasible now but it will have to be in the future.
     
     
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