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unrelated note, i dont hear people say GVA much. very eastern.
most of the trades people you mention, drive. and i imagine being in metrotown would make it much harder for them to drive, park, etc. not many people carry engineered plans on SkyTrain, or tools, equipment, etc.
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If driving to Metrotown is such a probem for them (versus Deer Lake), then isn't that what the online services that now exist which you mentioned before are there for?
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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture
true, people visiting city hall probably dont care about the nature around it. but i would argue a city hall should do more than just provide bureaucracy. why not just build a bunker then. it would work just as well as another building. it should reflect the city, people, environment. burnaby very much being parks, greenery, nature, forests, lakes.
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Hey, you're the one who brought up the point about nature. I was merely pointing out the fact that Metrotown has just as much of that "nature" adjacent to it as anywhere else in Burnaby in the form of the larget wooded park in the entire Burnaby suburbs.
But of course, that doesn't count in your mind, for some weird reason.
Also, in what way does Metrotown represent the city, people, environment,....any less than Deer Lake?
Are the people who live in the Metrotown area less Burnaby than the Deer Lake people (or the Brentwood, or Lougheed folks)?
Is Central Park less representative of Burnaby nature than Deer Lake?
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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture
re not many people going and location relevance; see point how city hall should reflect the city.
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Yes, and see the point about how Metrotown isn't any less representative or reflective of Burnaby than Deer Lake.
If anything it's more representative in some respects, with the level of diversity of folks that live and work around there and the aforementioned Central Park.
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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture
nope, i wasnt. but burnaby is more than metrotown, and the home owners in capitol hill, the heights also need city hall. so geographic centre makes sense.
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Nobody said it wasn't, and I already addressed the fallacious logic about "Geographic centre"
A hollow point in the era of modern transit and accessibility, and one that only plays in the mind of someone who wants to believe that just because it's in the
"geographics centre" (or thereabouts), that it's therefore easy to get to for everyone.
Transit completely demollishes this argument, and you know it.
You know that it's easier and faster to get to Metrotown from some of those other parts of Burnaby than to Deer Lake on account of the transit system and the accessibility point.
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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture
you may not like it, but city hall provides more services to home owners vs renters. thats just a fact. renters generally go through their landlord for things vs city hall directly. where as home owners go to city hall directly.
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Again, still ignoring the fact that just as many if not more HOMEOWNERS live in the vicinity of MEtrotown as the Deer Lake area.
Those towers that you seem to predicate your perception of what Metrotown to be, are actually more housed by HOMEOWNERS than they are by renters.
You seem to believe that "Homeowners" only means "Single Famly Home" owners and not other types of homeowners.
Well, the Metrotown area has it's fair share of those too, and who like the homeowners you think are better served by City Hall would also benefit from the services the same.
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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture
but, yes, you are right. city hall wont be moving, and that makes me quite happy. clearly the city, other people, thought similarly to myself.
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"other people" being the vocal minority of people like you who bellowed the loudest to stop it from happening.
Don't confuse that to mean it's the majority of people who are for this or happy with this decision.
A referendum wasn't held and most likely at the end of the day most people don't care enough where City Hall is, to voice an opinion on it.
If a referendum were held on the issue are you still confident that how things panned out would be representative of whether the actual "majority" were for it or not
When Surrey actually put it into a vote a majority voted for their new City Hall and it's present location.
I'd remember that if I were you, while you're busy patting yourself on your back over a job.....well,...not really done, and for being representative of what
"the people" of Burnaby are for.
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Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture
you also glossed over the fact a low rise would probably be cheaper to build, generally cheaper to maintain, and provide better access to services without having to use elevators for all vertical movements. i have worked in offices with internal stairs, and without. the ones with are much, much better.
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That's not really how architecture works, but that's another debate for another time.
Suffice it to say there's a reason why the highrise (tower) form is the more prevalent building form today for urban areas beyond just land area, and are a more effecient use of space and over the long run are more economically viable and sustainable (both economically and environmentally) over lowrises, and not just for residences but for offices and other functions as well.
I've never met anyone who was intimidated by having to navigate a building through elevators or saw them as something of a bad thing.
One of the greatest inventions of the early 20th/late 19th Centure that's largely responsible for the development of the modern city.
Huh.
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idk, youd have to ask yourself that. my original posts were all quite short. you responded with a wall of text and ended it with saying its all moot. 
and now i have a wall of text. ugh. if it wasnt almost 1am, and i was wide awake; i wouldn't even bother responding. |
I tried to organize my response in a point-by-point and point-response format this time, so the wall of text doesn't intimate you as it seemed to, or as you seem to be implying the last one did.
Hopefully you're able to endure it and better cope with it this time, but if not, then maybe someone else benefits from it.
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