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View Poll Results: Who should be the next mayor of Ottawa?
Mark Sutcliffe 8 15.38%
Catherine McKenney 43 82.69%
Bob Chiarelli 1 1.92%
Other 0 0%
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It is very possible to be left leaning on the big issues that affect the world, but conservative on the issues that are in your own backyard (Ottawa).

I have a feeling that Ottawans can be described as being like that.

Do it for the good of the world, just Not In My Back Yard.
Sutcliffe is a Liberal in federal terms. There isn't a true conservative candidate this time. The 30% Conservative vote might break for him but also imagine a lot sits at home which is why he throws in the war on car buzz phrases.

Mckenney has the left of centre to herself including probably lots of Liberal voters. I still think she's the front runner.
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“I have kids — maybe someday I’ll have grandkids — and I want them to grow up in the same kind of city I grew up in, that was safe and affordable.”
So, a car centric suburban hell scape?
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Seems to suggest that when Sutcliffe was speaking about "elected officials" bullying him online, he may have been referring to Menard however, Le Droit did not find anything that crosses the line between criticizing his platform and personal attacks.

I find Sutcliffe very Watson like in he criticizes and border line attacks others (or more specifically McKenney), but he's unable to take criticism himself. Any criticism towards his platform or ideas seem to be interpreted as personal attacks.

To their credit, McKenney isn't playing the victim, saying that the attacks from Sutcliffe towards their campaign are within the rules, with the exception of one quote on affordable housing taken out of context. I'd argue the question or free transit is another.

Le Droit does mention that McKenney has not made any attacks towards their opponents, limiting themselves to responding to journalists when they ask about attacks towards them. The newspaper points out that Horizon Ottawa, who supports McKenney, has responded to Sutcliffe's campaign promises and actions, letting McKenney run a clean campaign.

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Mairie d'Ottawa: passer à l’attaque

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Le Droit, 3 octobre 2022


ANALYSE / Il faut avoir les reins solides pour survivre en politique.

Que ce soit des attaques directes et publiques ou des jambettes en coulisses, on y joue du coude et le langage n’est pas toujours diplomatique.

Un récent reportage de CBC Ottawa sur les membres du conseil municipal qui ont choisi de quitter la vie politique a d’ailleurs mis en lumière le climat toxique qui règne sur les médias sociaux.


Une sortie du candidat à la mairie d’Ottawa Mark Sutcliffe sur les ondes de CTV cette semaine a ramené la civilité du discours politique au centre des débats.

«Je m’attendais aux trolls [quand je me suis lancé dans la course à la mairie], a lancé M. Sutcliffe. Ce à quoi je ne m’attendais pas, c’est qu’il y ait des personnes qui ne considèrent pas être des trolls, mais qui se comportent comme tel.»

Durant cette entrevue, l’ex-animateur et chroniqueur laisse entendre que certains de ces «trolls» sont des élus.

Il ne faut pas lire entre les lignes bien longtemps pour comprendre qui sont certains de ces trolls aux yeux de l’aspirant maire. Le chapeau fait bien au conseiller sortant du quartier Capitale, Shawn Menard, (très actif sur Twitter) et à l’organisation Horizon Ottawa, dont les méthodes ont déjà été critiquées ouvertement par M. Sutcliffe.

Certes, Shawn Menard ne fait pas dans la dentelle. Il nous a habitué à un ton hargneux durant les quatre dernières années et ça n’a pas changé durant ses nombreuses interventions en ligne au sujet de Mark Sutcliffe.

Difficile toutefois de trouver les traces d’un usage flagrant d’insultes ou d’attaques personnelles qui dépassent les bornes de la part du conseiller.

Pas impossible toutefois que des individus aient profité de l’anonymat des réseaux sociaux pour s’en prendre violemment au candidat.

L’arroseur arrosé?

Cette sortie sur les ondes de CTV Ottawa a rapidement suscité des interrogations de la part d’adversaires et d’observateurs de la scène politique municipale ottavienne: est-ce que le Mark Sutcliffe qui dénonce des échanges qui conduisent à la division est le même qui multiplie les attaques directes à l’endroit de Catherine McKenney et de sa plateforme?

Une revue des communiqués diffusés par son équipe depuis le début de la campagne permet rapidement de constater que M. Sutcliffe emploie lui-même un ton assez dur à l’endroit de son adversaire.

À sa défense, Catherine McKenney a toutefois indiqué cette semaine que ces critiques se sont toutes faites dans les règles de l’art, à l’exception d’un cas bien précis où une citation a été sortie de son contexte. Ç’a été mal digéré par la personne qui représente le quartier Somerset depuis 2014 puisque la citation portait sur l’enjeu du logement abordable, qui est sa principale priorité.

Les mains propres

«Mes adversaires peuvent me critiquer, je suis ici pour défendre mes politiques, ma plateforme et je continuerai de le faire», a affirmé Catherine McKenney cette semaine au sujet des attaques de la part de M. Sutcliffe depuis le début de la campagne.

Catherine McKenney parle effectivement très peu de ses adversaires durant cette campagne. Presque seulement en réponse à des questions des journalistes, en fait.

Mener une campagne positive est un luxe qu’a pu se permettre Catherine McKenney jusqu’à maintenant, en raison d’interventions de personnalités publiques et d’organisations qui soutiennent sa candidature.

Catherine McKenney n’a pas eu besoin, par exemple, de dénoncer une activité de financement de Mark Sutcliffe où il fallait payer pas moins de 1200$ – la contribution maximale permise par la loi – pour assister à un match du Rouge et Noir en sa compagnie.

Horizon Ottawa, dont l’un des principaux chevaux de bataille est l’influence des grands donateurs à l’hôtel de ville, a publié un communiqué le décriant. Cette activité de financement s’est retrouvée au cœur de l’actualité locale sans que Catherine McKenney ait eu besoin de dire un mot sur le sujet.

L’organisation militante progressiste soutient la candidature de Catherine McKenney, mais insiste qu’elle œuvre en toute indépendance.

On ne peut donc affirmer que cette sortie était coordonnée avec l’entourage de la personne qui se présente à la mairie, mais le résultat est le même: Catherine McKenney n’a pas eu à se salir les mains.
https://www.ledroit.com/2022/10/03/m...ee4cf55b8fc542
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CBC questionnaire.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ium%3Dsharebar

Here is where the top three candidates stand on key questions:

Do you support Stage 3?
Chiarelli - Don't Know
McKenney - Yes
Sutcliffe - Yes


Do you Support Lansdowne 2.0?
Chiarelli - no response, asked to elaborate, he says we should take caution (read full statement on the CBC questionnaire).
McKenney - No. Wants to see commitment for 20% affordable housing. Next phase of Lansdowne should be a place for everyone.
Sutcliffe - Yes. 1.0 was a huge improvement, but incomplete.

How often do you take transit?
Chiarelli - less than once per month (never was not an option, last time he took transit was 7 months ago).
McKenney - more than once per week.
Sutcliffe - more than once per week.

Do you support an NHL arena at LeBreton?
Chiarelli - yes, but no funding beyond transit and infrastructure.
McKenney - Yes, but no public funds. Will work with NCC and Sens to advance project and include affordable housing.
Sutcliffe - Yes on relocation as long as they have a "strong plan" for the Corel Centre. City should facilitate the approval and support, but no public funds.
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Sutcliffe releases plans for downtown revitalization

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CTV News, October 3, 2022


Ottawa mayoral candidate Mark Sutcliffe is proposing to revitalize Ottawa’s downtown core through building more housing, connecting the LRT with Gatineau, and attracting more events.

In a news release Monday, Sutcliffe said Ottawa is facing “significant challenges” in the downtown core.

"Small business owners I've spoken with have told me what they need is more people. We should be doing everything we can to get more people living and visiting downtown and eliminate anything that discourages it,” he said.

Sutcliffe said, if elected mayor, he would reduce or remove application fees and development charges to convert vacant office space to affordable housing, and would seek $30 million from the federal government to aid in converting its office buildings to housing.

He would also continue the city’s plan to reduce patio fees and relax rules that allow sidewalk patios and sidewalk sales for downtown businesses. He added that he would facilitate a Gatineau LRT connection to Ottawa’s LRT.

He also said he would “reject calls to raise parking fees or introduce ‘congestion charges’ to come downtown.”

Last week, candidate Brandon Bay proposed a $9-per-hour parking fee downtown to help cover transit costs and encourage more people to leave their cars at home and take transit or active transportation to the downtown core.

Finally, Sutcliffe said he would work with the federal government to create a vibrant parliamentary precinct that “serves as a grand national gathering place that invites Canadians and others from around the world to our capital city.”

Sutcliffe has said he would release his full financial plan in the coming days.

BYWARD MARKET REVIVAL

Sutcliffe also released specific plan for the ByWard Market.

“The ByWard Market used to be the crown jewel of Ottawa, for residents and tourists. Under my leadership, we will restore it to its past glory,” stated Sutcliffe. “We can’t continue to ignore the safety issues that are acutely felt in this neighbourhood. I am the only candidate with a targeted plan and a commitment that is focused on the ByWard Market.”

He said he would review the mandate and operations of the city’s Services Corporation that runs the ByWard Market; increase walkways, car-free zones and public seating; bring more farmers, artisans, and buskers to the area; and establish a permanent ByWard Market cleaning crew.

Sutcliffe also said he would strike a task force within 30 days of being sworn in to recommend solutions ahead of the 2023 budget process for responding to mental illness and substance use disorders, and reiterated his plan to increase police presence and install CCTV cameras in select areas to deal with crime.

Critics have argued Sutclfife’s plan to increase policing in the Market would put vulnerable people at risk of further marginalization and possibly violence. In a statement to CTV News Ottawa, his campaign said he would strike a balanced approach.

“Mark’s plan provides a balance between increasing the presence of law enforcement, as well as that of social services, in at-risk neighbourhoods,” the statement said. “In addition to hiring 100 more positions at OPS, Mark has also pledged to invest directly to community and social service organizations to support our most vulnerable, with a specific focus mental health and substance use disorder.”

The campaign said more details would be released this week.

Election Day is Oct. 24, but there will be advanced polls open this Friday and next Friday.

Correction

A previous version of this article included a quote from Sutcliffe's campaign that referred to "high-risk neighbourhoods." A representative from the campaign said it was a typo and should have read "at-risk neighbourhoods."
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Chiarelli promises to protect single-family neighbourhoods, reject inclusionary zoning

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CTV News Ottawa, October 3, 2022


Ottawa mayoral candidate Bob Chiarelli says, if elected mayor this fall, he would work towards increasing the city’s housing stock, but would do so without “killing off Ottawa’s single-family neighbourhoods.”

Chiarelli said in a news release Monday that his plan would increase intensification (that is, building more housing units in smaller spaces; effectively building up instead of out) in a way that does not “destroy” single-family neighbourhoods.

“Intensification is mandated by the Province, but there are better ways of doing it,” he said.

“I would encourage building housing on available City land, including around transit stations. The City should seek new opportunities to sell air rights and build housing above City-owned property. The City should prioritize intensification/redevelopment on acres of one-storey commercial property (and its parking), in preference to trashing existing housing and greenspace.”

He also said he would fast-track approval of adding basement or attic suites to existing homes and would negotiate with the federal government to speed up adding housing to Tunney’s Pasture and Confederation Heights.

However, he was critical of some proposals to encourage affordable housing in large developments.

He said inclusionary zoning, which would mandate a percentage of units in large developments be designated as “affordable” units, is unfair to homebuyers.

“According to the plan, this requirement would be paid by driving up the cost of the other units in the development. This would shift the cost of providing subsidized housing from governments and onto new homebuyers. That’s not fair, further driving up the cost of housing for the majority of homebuyers,” he said.

He also reiterated a proposal to have the Ontario government return the council-approved Official Plan to the new term of council for a second look. The plan, which charts Ottawa’s growth over the next quarter-century, was approved by city council last year, but the provincial government has yet to provide its approval.

Outgoing mayor Jim Watson said he did not know why the plan has not yet been approved by the provincial government, but added that the elected council approved it with a strong vote well before the end of its term.

“Some have suggested it should be the new council that deals with it. No, this was dealt with by the city seven or eight months ago. Our council has the authority,” Watson told reporters following a council meeting in September. “It’s been submitted, and the minister is going to have to accept, reject or send it back, but we believe it’s a solid document that received a very strong vote of support from over three quarters of members of council.”

CTV News Ottawa has reached out the Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing for comment on the city’s Official Plan.

Election Day is Oct. 24, but there will be advanced polls open this Friday and next Friday.
https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/chiarelli-...ning-1.6093609
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What is the Bulldog vote?
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I know of the pathetic loser Ken Gray, the self styled 'Bulldog', but what is 'The Bulldog Vote'? He's not running, is he?
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I know of the pathetic loser Ken Gray, the self styled 'Bulldog', but what is 'The Bulldog Vote'? He's not running, is he?
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CBC questionnaire.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ium%3Dsharebar

Here is where the top three candidates stand on key questions:

Do you support Stage 3?
Chiarelli - Don't Know
McKenney - Yes
Sutcliffe - Yes


Do you Support Lansdowne 2.0?
Chiarelli - no response, asked to elaborate, he says we should take caution (read full statement on the CBC questionnaire).
McKenney - No. Wants to see commitment for 20% affordable housing. Next phase of Lansdowne should be a place for everyone.
Sutcliffe - Yes. 1.0 was a huge improvement, but incomplete.

How often do you take transit?
Chiarelli - less than once per month (never was not an option, last time he took transit was 7 months ago).
McKenney - more than once per week.
Sutcliffe - more than once per week.

Do you support an NHL arena at LeBreton?
Chiarelli - yes, but no funding beyond transit and infrastructure.
McKenney - Yes, but no public funds. Will work with NCC and Sens to advance project and include affordable housing.
Sutcliffe - Yes on relocation as long as they have a "strong plan" for the Corel Centre. City should facilitate the approval and support, but no public funds.
Hmmm, this gives me pause on who I’m voting for now. Landsdowne absolutely needs further development. Affordable housing has to use a subsidy approach, otherwise builders will simply not build at a loss. At any rate, ‘affordable’ is a misnomer as long as it means only 5-10% below market value. Also once built, who’s to say it won’t be resold at then market values 2-3 years on?

Re: Lebreton Arena, I wonder if any of them support brownfield grants? I agree on the public money overall, but the site still needs soil remediation and I believe the city should consider the grants route…no matter the mayoral candidate.
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Hmmm, this gives me pause on who I’m voting for now. Landsdowne absolutely needs further development. Affordable housing has to use a subsidy approach, otherwise builders will simply not build at a loss. At any rate, ‘affordable’ is a misnomer as long as it means only 5-10% below market value. Also once built, who’s to say it won’t be resold at then market values 2-3 years on?

Re: Lebreton Arena, I wonder if any of them support brownfield grants? I agree on the public money overall, but the site still needs soil remediation and I believe the city should consider the grants route…no matter the mayoral candidate.
Affordable in these developments usually go by the CHMC definition (~30% of the median income of the local area), however when McKenney states it you can replace it with "community housing/OCH style". These units also usually have some kind of clause or etc that stops the resale at market value for 5-10 years or for other they want them to be given directly to non-profits/OCH/CCOC. With no bonuses paid out, so that the full cost of the units are paid for by new residents.

If its McKenney they have vocally opposed both CIP programs (when put into action) and Brownfield grants and will likely oppose them again with Lebreton.
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Affordable in these developments usually go by the CHMC definition (~30% of the median income of the local area), however when McKenney states it you can replace it with "community housing/OCH style". These units also usually have some kind of clause or etc that stops the resale at market value for 5-10 years or for other they want them to be given directly to non-profits/OCH/CCOC. With no bonuses paid out, so that the full cost of the units are paid for by new residents.

If its McKenney they have vocally opposed both CIP programs (when put into action) and Brownfield grants and will likely oppose them again with Lebreton.
Thanks for all the info!

Fuuuuuuuudge, this makes my choices tough. I really support the brownfield grants. You want property tax revenue instead of empty fields. The grants should play some role in my view.

Anybody also know if in Ottawa council, one vote is just that? The mayor’s vote doesn’t count for more etc.? (I know with strong mayor it can, but McKenney has stated that they wouldn’t use those powers.)
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Thanks for all the info!

Fuuuuuuuudge, this makes my choices tough. I really support the brownfield grants. You want property tax revenue instead of empty fields. The grants should play some role in my view.

Anybody also know if in Ottawa council, one vote is just that? The mayor’s vote doesn’t count for more etc.? (I know with strong mayor it can, but McKenney has stated that they wouldn’t use those powers.)
Some of the powers of "strong Mayor" are innate to the job and McKenney won't have any choice but to use them. AFAIK the main one that is a choice is the whether they Veto something, but thats still a choice to do nothing if the choice goes against your platform.

Also, what is with sutcliffes plug about needing a "strong plan" for the corel centre...

On the other Topic of Bulldog, I've got to laugh at those that have been defending Lianne in college ward, as there ads are plastered all over the Bulldog website.....
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Thanks for all the info!

Fuuuuuuuudge, this makes my choices tough. I really support the brownfield grants. You want property tax revenue instead of empty fields. The grants should play some role in my view.

Anybody also know if in Ottawa council, one vote is just that? The mayor’s vote doesn’t count for more etc.? (I know with strong mayor it can, but McKenney has stated that they wouldn’t use those powers.)
It's impossible to agree 100% with any one candidate. I don't think McKenney is straight out against Lansdowne 2.0, but won't rubber stamp what OSEG and City Staff worked out behind closed doors, away from the public's eye and feedback. And I'm sure that if the Sens provide affordable housing, maybe on the Flats or at the Corel Centre lands, McKenney would give them something, be it tax breaks, soil remediation grants or other.

I do worry about McKenney's hard stance on affordable housing, which could make housing for everyone else more expensive. On the other hand, they are they only top three candidate considering dropping R1. I do think that commercial improvement grants should be stricter (to prevent the Porsche Dealership fiasco again), but should not be dropped completely. The soil remediation grant should remain. That said, even Watson did not support the soil remediation grant for the Sens when they were looking into it 5 years ago.

I strongly believe that on the mobility front, McKenney is the best candidate. New bike lanes, improved transit and nothing more than maintenance on existing car infrastructure. Sutcliffe, despite his emphasis on a "balanced" approach, would continue to prioritize cars, build the bare minimum on the cycling front (as we've done over the last 12 years under Watson) and likely cut transit.
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Why Bob Chiarelli may be handing Ottawa's mayoralty to McKenney
The former mayor has decades of political experience, but he's splitting the vote among more fiscally conservative Ottawans.

Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Oct 05, 2022 • 44 minutes ago • 3 minute read


Former mayor Bob Chiarelli is unlikely to be your next mayor, but that doesn’t mean he won’t be a factor in the race. While there has been a dearth of public polling, what little we have suggests that Chiarelli has the potential to win enough votes to guarantee a victory for progressive candidate Catherine McKenney.

A Mainstreet Research poll conducted in the middle of September showed McKenney with 34 per cent support, the same number as July. Former broadcaster Mark Sutcliffe was at 20 per cent, up from 15 per cent in July. Chiarelli’s support had risen to 11 per cent, up from seven. The poll showed 24 per cent of voters as undecided. It’s considered accurate to +/- 3.5 percentage points 19 times out of 20.

That’s happy arithmetic for McKenney, not so much for Sutcliffe. In a two-person race, those candidates would likely be neck-and-neck. Chiarelli and Sutcliffe are drawing from the same pool of voters and both are perceived as being moderate, somewhat fiscally conservative and business-oriented. It’s pretty clear that voters who don’t support McKenney’s approach will have to focus on one of the two if they don’t want city hall to lurch to the left.

It’s difficult to argue that Chiarelli is the better choice. Yes, the former mayor does have decades of political experience, but the Bob Chiarelli of 2022 is not the Bob Chiarelli of 2006, the last time he held the job. It’s not just his age, 81. It’s actually his ideas that are out of sync with the Bob Chiarelli that we knew. Chiarelli was once good with facts and figures, but much of his platform lacks the cohesive, detailed approach one would have expected.

For example, Chiarelli would throw out the city’s greenhouse gas reduction program. At a cost of $32 billion over 28 years, he says it’s financially unsustainable. That’s a fair comment, but he suggests a series of uncosted ideas with unspecified benefits to replace it.

On tax policy, one of his former specialities, Chiarelli calls for a tax freeze in the first year of his mandate. It’s a catchy idea, but with inflation at seven per cent, a tax increase of two to three per cent would be much more prudent.

He wants the city government to help fix health care, an area where it has little responsibility or leverage. That’s mostly up to the provincial government, where he spent much of his political career.

Chiarelli says he will “put a halt to all new road construction,” and use the money to repair roads instead. The problem is, halting new road construction would also hinder suburban housing development at a time when the city is facing a housing crisis.

Still, housing is the strongest area of Chiarelli’s platform. By opposing significant intensification in single-family neighbourhoods, he’s telling most people what they want to hear. He’s right when he says it didn’t make sense to choose the isolated Tewin lands over development land in Kanata. Unfortunately, he wants to stop urban boundary expansion and depend on intensification to handle growth. The city’s Official Plan already relies on the kind of underdeveloped areas Chiarelli cites, plus plenty more in established neighbourhoods. Chiarelli says he wants more housing, but restricting development opportunities won’t achieve that goal.

Chiarelli has accomplished much in his career in city and provincial politics. He earned a reputation as a hard worker and he was certainly a tenacious campaigner. I got a first-hand look at that when I ran against him and lost in the 2011 and 2014 provincial elections.

Back in the day, Chiarelli was pretty good at seeing the bigger picture, but the opportunity for one last shot has clouded his judgment. That final chance has become more important than the outcome. Chiarelli’s run benefits a candidate whose approach he doesn’t support while hurting one with similar ideas. The old Bob Chiarelli would have seen the flaw in that, but the current Bob Chiarelli apparently does not.

Randall Denley is an Ottawa political commentator and author. Contact him at [email protected]

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