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[ChiND]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Not only will New Yorkers, who travel to Las Vegas and Atlantic City to use them use them, New Yorkers also voted for them. It's why the casino in Queens is one of the top grossing casinos in the country, and it's not even a full casino. The problem, as is usually the case, is the NIMBYs are the loudest and most vocal about anything.





You could put all 3 casinos in Manhattan, and barely notice it. New York is not some small town, and a casino isn't going to make any neighborhood in Manhattan Las Vegas. This idiot would no doubt be among those to enter the casino for one reason or another. The state needs the revenue, and no one will be forced to enter the casinos, unlike congestion pricing where you have to pay. These casinos will bring in more money to the city and state than the congestion pricing.

That's true. During the U.N. General Assembly each year, when one exits GCT and turns to the west on The Deuce, one would barely know that the UNGA is going on, but for occasional motorcades and helicopter activity. Only in NY!

[ChiND]

NY Guy:

If Related/Wynn get the license, when do you think that the casino and residential tower might start rising? Will any of it be built on terra firma, or must the platform be built first?

[DCReid]

Will this rejection have any bearing on the decision? The general consensus seems that it was expected, but does this pose a risk even if the casino is awarded to HY? For example, will the residents and land use committee file lawsuits to stop it? And if HY does not get the casino, will Related proceed with the original plan even after saying that the residential component was not as successful in Phase 1 and should be scaled down for phase 2?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by ChiND

NY Guy:

If Related/Wynn get the license, when do you think that the casino and residential tower might start rising? Will any of it be built on terra firma, or must the platform be built first?

Only the casino would be built on the platform.

Originally Posted by DCReid

Will this rejection have any bearing on the decision? The general consensus seems that it was expected, but does this pose a risk even if the casino is awarded to HY? For example, will the residents and land use committee file lawsuits to stop it? And if HY does not get the casino, will Related proceed with the original plan even after saying that the residential component was not as successful in Phase 1 and should be scaled down for phase 2?

It’s always advisory with the CB. Technically, they voted against the change in site plan, not the casino. That would came in the next round. But it’s always dangerous, and also why the state usually doesn’t subject its developments to city approval. All of the new casinos in this process should have been approved just as the upstate casinoscwere. But Hochul, being from upstate, still doesn’t have a solid understanding of how NYC politics work.

[ChiND]

Thanks, so the whole Wynn Hotel condo with the big casino base will all be built on the platform? It looks like the hotel tower portion might be on terra firma.

Also, do you know if any portion of the casino will be in the hotel tower?


NY YImby

[Gantz]

They need to put one in Coney Island. It is a good location for one.
Then turn the one in Queens into a full casino, and build one in Manhattan for the tourists.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by ChiND

Thanks, so the whole Wynn Hotel condo with the big casino base will all be built on the platform? It looks like the hotel tower portion might be on terra firma.

Also, do you know if any portion of the casino will be in the hotel tower?

The casino complex is one building. The office tower and the residential building will be built on the site south of the railyards, not on the platform. The same as the Coach tower and 15 Hudson.

Originally Posted by Gantz

They need to put one in Coney Island. It is a good location for one.
Then turn the one in Queens into a full casino, and build one in Manhattan for the tourists.

The Queens casino will remain open either way, but awarding the full license to that casino won't generate the same economic development and number of jobs that a completely new development will. That's what they are measuring with the existing casinos - the amount above what already exists.
It's why the board keeps stressing that the economic side of these proposals is what will heavily influence which proposals get built.

https://www.covers.com/industry/econ...ses-jan-6-2025

Economic Development Will Impact New York Casino Licenses
The New York State Gaming Commission's executive director reaffirmed the financial benefits of casino projects will influence who gets an approval.

But there is still that matter of settling the city's individual approvals process for various proposals. Of the proposals moving forward, two of them - Bally's Bronx proposal and Hard Rock's Citifield proposal - technically don't have a site yet, and may not get it. But keep in mind these are not ordinary proposals that generally run through the city's approval process. They each have HUGE implications for the state, all the more reason for Hochul not to play games with the city approval process. It's one thing to say a 50-story building should maybe be knocked down to 30. Another thing entirely to say a huge economic engine for the entire state shouldn't be built. So that's what they are dealing with. And they (the politicians) all know it. Will they do the smart thing? Sadly, that's always in doubt.

[ChiND]

Thanks! If Related/Wynn win the license this year, when do you think is the earliest that the casino can start rising? I don’t recall how construction progressed with the platform and buildings in Phase 1.

[NYguy]

^ Nothing will be done until next year. The casino licensing process will drag out at least until the end of this year, and possibly spill over into next year.



Meanwhile, Related is 100% right here:



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It's one thing to be allowed to voice legitimate concerns about any development, and have those concerns heard. But when you are outright lying, or simply can't be bothered to get the facts on what you are speaking on, you shouldn't have a seat at the table. It is no wonder the city is planning to rework the ULURP process to end some of these shenanigans, and the CBs have no one to blame but themselves.

[NYguy]

https://www.amny.com/oped/op-ed-west...o-fair-chance/

Op-ed | Let’s give the West Side Casino rezoning plan a fair chance





By Kevin Rutter
anuary 9, 2025

City politicians seem excited about their City of Yes’ potential to build more needed housing in the five boroughs. However, after attending several community meetings, it’s become clear that at the hyperlocal level, when it comes to big and bold new developments for my neighborhood, we are still a City of No.

I have called Chelsea my home for four years after moving from the West Village. A prominent feature of our neighborhood is the cavernous eyesore at the Western Rail Yards. Various plans to develop it over the years have been struck down due to differing interests, opposing forces, and exorbitant costs.

Now, a new proposal, Hudson Yards West, offers an opportunity to transform the underutilized space into something extraordinary for the community and all of New York. A resort and casino would anchor Hudson Yards West and would also deliver affordable housing, a huge public park, and thousands of full-time jobs.

I recently attended three community meetings to hear developer Related Companies’ plans. Like some of my neighbors, I was initially doubtful about a casino. However, I learned that the Wynn gaming facility would make up less than five percent of the site. More importantly, the resort would provide $2 billion in funds to build the necessary platform over the unsightly rail yard, on top of which would sit a massive public park, a public school, and more than a thousand units of housing, including affordable housing.

The second-order economic effects of this development would ripple across our local community. We cannot let this opportunity slip away as previously planned developments have.

In 2009, Hudson Yards was finally approved. It was a two-phase plan to create a retail, office, and luxury housing mecca. Once the first phase was done, the pandemic hit, and the original plan for phase two over the Western Rail Yards became unviable as public demand for ultra-luxury condos vanished. The eyesore—a massive hole in the ground revealing lines of train tracks—has remained.

While it’s not a perfect plan, it deserves a fair hearing. However, it has not received that from some community members. The Friends of the High Line, for one, has been campaigning against the plan with frivolous concerns about views and shadows. They have disregarded those Chelsea residents who are open to the plan.

For progress to occur in our neighborhood, we must refocus on what is important to Chelsea’s residents, such as having community spaces and new jobs. That’s why dozens of West Siders showed up at the Manhattan Community Board 4 Meeting on Monday to express their full support of Hudson Yards West.

Despite supporters showing up in large numbers of community board meetings over the past few months to ask them to vote in favor, the board inexplicably wants to issue a blanket denial of the project. Fortunately, their vote isn’t binding, and there is another way forward – working together to make this project a reality.

Related has already updated their plans to reflect community feedback. Together, we can ask for additional changes that are realistic for the development and better for those of us who live nearby. If we can do that, in less than five years the community would have a brand-new park, keys to new apartments, thousands of new jobs, and dozens of new restaurants, coffee shops and stores in the surrounding area. It’s time for our elected officials to step up and move the plan ahead.

If not, we will just have a hole in the ground and some bragging rights that we blocked yet another development that wasn’t quite perfect.

[NYguy]

[chris08876]

About a similar timetable to Phase I. I just wish they would stop stalling and get shovels in the ground for the platform in 2025.

This is foreshadowing the coming boom. When Phase II kicks into high gear, the coming boom will also.

What's exciting is also a lot of the proxy developments that will spring up, just like with Phase I (Bound to happen). Three Hudson need to rise.

I still think this is not fully utilizing the land to the full potential. There should be at least two more components to the existing massing and more housing, because it would sell.

[ssh]

Timeline seems relatively quick.

[eXodius]

As much as I know most plans get changed heavily between planning and construction, I really hope this gets built as-is! Just the Wynn alone adds much to the Hudson Yards site visually! With the other 2, it finally completes the area (along with the "future development" in the pics above! Already looking forward to 2026!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by chris08876

I still think this is not fully utilizing the land to the full potential.

It isn't. The FAR of the railyards is well below typical FAR for Midtown - thanks to the more than generous open spaces. I believe it would have fit better in the overall scheme of the city if allowed to be built out to the fullest. And these NIMBY morons have the nerve to complain the buildings are too big.

[NYguy]

https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politi...nother-setback

Related’s casino gets thumbs-down from borough president in another setback





Nick Garber
February 14, 2025

Manhattan Borough President Mark Levine will oppose the zoning changes the Related Cos. needs to build its Hudson Yards casino complex – another setback for the megaproject as it contends with well-funded opposition from the nearby High Line.

Levine, who shared his decision exclusively with Crain’s, emphasized that he supports development on the Western Rail Yards — the 13-acre train yard to the west of Hudson Yards. But he opposes Related’s current plan because it would reduce the amount of housing that Related had committed to building under a 2009 deal with the city. He also echoed the objections of Friends of the High Line, which says the bulky buildings would block views and cast shadows over the linear park.

While mostly symbolic, Levine’s rejection could put pressure on local City Councilman Erik Bottcher, who may control the fate of the rezoning when it faces final approval by the council this spring. It also carries weight for other reasons: Levine is one of the local officials who will appoint members to the six-person committees that will hold binding votes on every casino plan this summer, and if his appointee votes no, Related could have a tough time getting the four votes it will need to advance to the final round.

In his recommendation, Levine suggested Related could win his support by adding more housing to conform with the 2009 plan, or by simply adding more affordable units. He also said the developer may need to reduce the size of the podium containing the hotel-casino, which would sit near the High Line’s northern terminus.

But Natalie Ravitz, a Related spokeswoman, called Levine’s suggestions unfeasible, saying that it would not earn enough money by adding residential units to pay for the costly platform Related needs to build over the existing train yard.

“There is no getting around the fact that the site cannot be developed without first paying for the $2 billion platform over the rail yards, and unfortunately it is simply not viable to pay for the platform with housing,” Ravitz said. “The housing units removed from the plan were multi-million dollar, luxury condos that the west side does not need and the market does not support.”

Related says it has met with Friends of the High Line 10 times and has made four changes to its plan in response to the group’s concerns, including changing the shape of the casino podium, rotating the base of a residential tower to preserve views from the High Line, and reducing the frontage of an office tower

Related, despite its hurdles, is still seen as a leading contender given the sheer size of its plan, which has endeared it to powerful labor unions.

https://nypost.com/2025/02/14/us-new...ng-opposition/

By Carl Campanile
Feb. 14, 2025

Community Board 4 — which represents the Hudson Yards neighborhood — voted unanimously last month against approving a zoning change to allow the project by Related Companies and Wynn to proceed, saying it would be bad for the neighborhood.

Friends of the High Line said dangling money won’t win support for the project.

“The fact that Related and Wynn are now trying to buy our community off shows just how out of touch they are. They need to scrap this plan and do what they should have done in the first place — work with the community to develop the Western Rail Yards in a way that increases housing, creates new jobs and protects the High Line,” said Friends of the High Line executive director Alan Van Capelle.

Under the city’s Uniformed Land Use Procedure, the local board has a right to weigh in on the zoning change, though the vote is only a recommendation.

Ultimately, the City Council must sign off along with city planners in Mayor Eric Adams’ administration.

[ChiND]

Is it correct that Levine cannot unilaterally defeat this?

This project is a gift to NY.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by ChiND

Is it correct that Levine cannot unilaterally defeat this?

It will follow the same approvals process as any other project. It comes down to what the City Planning and the City Council will do.

But no approvals for any casino have begun yet. This is just to get to the starting line. The Borough President is one of 6 votes to make up the board that will send recommendations to the siting board down the line. You need to get 4 out of 6 votes there. There is no reason for the governor, mayor, or any borough president (each who have a vote on the board) to be voting no on any of the proposals, this guy is just a fool.

[ChiND]

Thanks. I agree that he’s a putz who’s pandering to the public.

[The New York Lion]

Originally Posted by ChiND

Is it correct that Levine cannot unilaterally defeat this?

This project is a gift to NY.

Levine may not even be Manhattan borough president much longer.

He's running for comptroller this November.