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[marothisu]

Originally Posted by IrishIllini

Must be something in the water down in Champaign-Urbana

One of the best engineering schools in the country - tons of successful/important people have come out of that university.


Just for fun...

Top Computer Science Graduate Programs (https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate...ience-rankings)
1T. Carnegie Mellon - Pittsburgh
1T. MIT - Cambridge, MA
1T. Stanford - Stanford, CA
1T. UC-Berkeley - Berkeley, CA
5. Illinois - Champaign, IL
6T. Cornell - Ithaca, NY
6T. Washington - Seattle
8. Princeton - Princeton, NJ
9T. Georgia Tech - Atlanta
9T. Texas - Austin
11T. Cal Tech - Pasadena, CA
11T. Wisconsin - Madison, WI
13T. Michigan - Ann Arbor, MI
13T. UCLA - Los Angeles
15T. Columbia - NYC
15T. Maryland - College Park, MD
15T. UC-San Diego - San Diego
18. Harvard - Cambridge, MA
19. UPenn - Philadelphia
20T. Brown - Providence
20T. Purdue
20T. Rice - Houston
20T. USC - Los Angeles
20T. Yale - New Haven, CT
25T. Duke - Durham, NC
25T. UMass-Amherst - Amherst, MA
25T. North Carolina - Chapel Hill, NC
28. Johns Hopkins - Baltimore
29T. Minnesota - Minneapolis
29T. NYU - NYC
29T. Penn State - University Park, PA
29T. UC-Irvine - Irvine, CA
29T. Virginia - Charlottesville, VA
34T. Northwestern - Evanston, IL
34T. Ohio State - Columbus, OH
34T. Rutgers - Piscataway, NJ
34T. UC-Davis - Davis, CA
34T. UC-Santa Barbara - Santa Barbara, CA
34T. University of Chicago - Chicago
40T. Dartmouth - Hanover, NH
40T. Stony Brook - Stony Brook, NY
40T. Texas A&M - College Station, TX
40T. Arizona - Tucson, AZ
40T. Colorado - Boulder, CO
40T. Utah - Salt Lake City
40T. Virginia Tech - Blacksburg, VA
40T. Washington University - St. Louis - St. Louis
48T. Arizona State - Tempe, AZ
48T. Boston University - Boston
48T. North Carolina State - Raleigh
48T. Florida - Gainesville, FL
52T. Indiana - Bloomington, IN
52T. RPI - Troy, NY
52T. University of Pittsburgh - Pittsburgh, PA
52T. University of Rochester - Rochester, NY
56T. Michigan State - East Lansing, MI
56T. UC-Riverside - Riverside, CA
56T. UC-Santa Cruz - Santa Cruz, CA
56T. Vanderbilt - Nashville
60T. Northeastern - Boston
60T. Illinois-Chicago - Chicago
60T. Notre Dame - Notre Dame, IN
63T. Iowa State - Ames, IA
63T. SUNY-Buffalo - Buffalo
63T. University of Iowa - Iowa City, IA
63T. Oregon - Eugene, OR
67T. George Mason - Fairfax, VA
67T. Oregon State - Corvallis, OR
67T. Syracuse - Syracuse, NY
70T. Case Western - Cleveland
70T. William & Mary - Williamsburg, VA
70T. Colorado State - Fort Collins, CO
70T. Naval Post Graduate School - Monterrey, CA
70T. NYU-Brooklyn - NYC
70T. Tufts - Medford, MA
70T. Delaware - Newark, DE
70T. Maryland-Baltimore County - Baltimore
70T. Tennessee-Knoxville - Knoxville
70T. Texas-Dallas - Richardson, TX
70T. Washington State - Pullman, WA
82T. Brandeis - Waltham, MA
82T. Clemson - Clemson, SC
82T. CUNY Graduate School and University Center - NYC
82T. Florida State - Tallahassee, FL
82T. George Washington - Washington DC
82T. UConn - Storrs, CT
82T. Kansas - Lawrence, KS
82T. New Mexico - Albuquerque
90T. Auburn - Auburn, AL
90T. BYU - Provo, UT
90T. Drexel - Philadelphia
90T. Kansas State - Manhattan, KS
90T. NJIT - Newark, NJ
90T. Oregon Health and Science University - Portland
90T. Central Florida - Orlando
90T. Georgia - Athens, GA
90T. Kentucky - Lexington, KY
90T. Texas-Arlington - Arlington, TX
90T. Worcester Polytechnic Institute - Worcester, MA

9 of the top 50 schools here are in the midwest versus 13 for the northeast versus 2 for Texas and the states around it versus 7 for Georgia/Carolinas/Virginia/Florida. The Midwest has 18 schools in the top 100 here versus 26 for the Northeast. Also keep in mind that the distance from Chicago to Pittsburgh (Carnegie Mellon, University of Pittsburgh) is only about 90 miles more than the distance from Pittsburgh to NYC.

For top engineering programs, 5 of the top 25 schools are in the midwest versus 6 for the Northeast. When you go to the top 100, the midwest is represented by 20 schools.

[the urban politician]

Great info. Solid growth for sure. I admit I wish Chicago would see the kind of insane growth that Toronto is seeing, but I guess it's not in the cards.

[BorisMolotov]

Yeah I grew up in Bartlett and there a TON of Indians there and in the northwest suburbs in general. In addition to the BAPS temple we also have a Jain one as well.

[the urban politician]

^ The only reason Houston is beating us in % of Indians living in the city proper is because Houston’s city proper is huge and heavily suburban.

Our city (and even much of our earlier suburban) housing stock is not within the tastes of Indians, except for younger generations who embrace city life and urbanism. The typical house your Indian guy wants is some huge McMansion with lots of space, a decent size yard, and ideally not more than 10 years old, if not new altogether.

Another prediction:

The Chinese growth will accelerate. The larger the established population base and services for them (grocers, social networks, etc), the more of a destination these communities will become. It’s even possible that growth rates here will begin to outpace NY/SF for the simple fact that it’s cheaper, plus it’s no longer out of the way since the community base is already here.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

Another prediction:

The Chinese growth will accelerate. The larger the established population base and services for them (grocers, social networks, etc), the more of a destination these communities will become. It’s even possible that growth rates here will begin to outpace NY/SF for the simple fact that it’s cheaper, plus it’s no longer out of the way since the community base is already here.

I hope it will accelerate - I think it has and I think people can see it in the quality of food. There is a big difference between Chinese food of Chicago in 2010 and Chinese food of Chicago in 2018. A lot more authentic places opened, much better, etc.

As far as outpacing rates of NYC? I doubt it. If you were talking only about Manhattan, then I'd agree with you because Manhattan itself isn't growing much with respect to Chinese population. However, Queens and Brooklyn are. Chicago is cheaper than these places, but these places that Chinese are going into also aren't Manhattan prices.

The Chinese population of NYC as a whole from 2010 to 2016 grew an estimated 89,309 people. For San Francisco, that was a growth of 13,689 Chinese people. Chicago and downtown Chicago for rate is not much below San Francisco city. However, NYC is adding a lot - in Queens and Brooklyn. Chicago is outpacing Manhattan.

Queens: +41,139 Chinese people from 2010 to 2016
Brooklyn: +37,643
Manhattan: +8189
State Island: +2491
Bronx: -1153


As far as acceleration in Chicago of Chinese population, here are the growth rates:
2010 to 2011: +1079 Chinese people
2011 to 2012: +1780
2012 to 2013: +1725
2013 to 2014: +617
2014 to 2015: +3611
2015 to 2016: +1108

I guess if it grew an average of say 1300 people per year, then you'd be looking at a little under 60,000 for the city proper around 2020. If it averaged minimum of +2000 per year then you'd be over 60K for the city proper, which would be pretty good considering there were just under 43,000 in the city in 2010 and in 2016 there was an estimated around 53,000.

[marothisu]

Kind of piggy backing from the above, Crains had an article about students at UIUC at a recent job fare talking to Amazon and saying they'd like to stay in Illinois to work especially if Amazon came, but would also relocate if needed. According to the article, 39% of 2015-16 UIUC graduates stayed in Illinois with another 6% going elsewhere in the midwest, but 41% went to the West Coast.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...on-and-chicago

If you work in Silicon Valley, you do know that there are a lot of midwestern people or people who went to school in the midwest. There are also a number of UIUC alum who prefer Chicago and look for jobs there first, but sometimes can't find it because they're international (need visa sponsorship) and head elsewhere. I know a handful of UIUC graduates in NYC who wanted to live in Chicago, but nobody would sponsor them, so they came to NYC instead.

[the urban politician]

^ I would never be insane enough to think Chicago would gain more Chinese than New York in sheer numbers. That would be an extraordinary feat. I was talking about rates—percentage growth. And I think it’s perfectly feasible for that to happen in Chicago

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

^ I would never be insane enough to think Chicago would gain more Chinese than New York in sheer numbers. That would be an extraordinary feat. I was talking about rates—percentage growth. And I think it’s perfectly feasible for that to happen in Chicago

True. Don't know why I posted the raw numbers first before the percentages that I had LOL. Here are the rates from 2010 to 2016 for some places with at least 20K Chinese people reported in 2016. This is from the 1 year ACS

Seattle: +52.1%
San Diego: +43.2%
Houston: +22.3%
Chicago: +18.9%
Queens: +18.6%
Philadelphia: +18.2%
San Jose: +18.2%
Los Angeles: +18%
NYC: +17.4%
Brooklyn: +16.4%
Manhattan: +16.2%
San Francisco: +11.9%

[LouisVanDerWright]

^^^ Which is even sillier considering how many aldermen want to further reduce existing zoning entitlements. They have some sort of twisted logic where less housing will somehow decrease rents...

Meanwhile Berrios is behind the velvet curtain beating our favorite baby seal over the head with a lead filled snowshoe. Gotta stick it to the poor people while telling them you are championing them, it's the Crook County Democratic machine way!

[Notyrview]

The solution is really really big 80/20 developments next to each 'L' stop. Then poor communities aren't displaced, capitalists are making money, the neighborhood is diverse, and people actually on foot getting to know their neighborhood.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by Notyrview

The solution is really really big 80/20 developments next to each 'L' stop. Then poor communities aren't displaced, capitalists are making money, the neighborhood is diverse, and people actually on foot getting to know their neighborhood.

Agree except the asinine 80/20 nonsense.

[Jibba]

Originally Posted by the urban politician

Agree except the asinine 80/20 nonsense.

You realize that the people that most need public transit can't come close to affording the rent in any of the "transit-oriented" developments being built, right??

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by Jibba

You realize that the people that most need public transit can't come close to affording the rent in any of the "transit-oriented" developments being built, right??

Since when do they have a God given right to live in a newly constructed building with all of the top of the line amenities?



There is plenty of affordable housing stock in decent condition in this city. And near the L too.

Let me repeat myself: plenty. Abundant. More than we know what to do with because, you know, the whole population decline thing... But sure let's just give a spanking new apartment to a freeloader while everybody else has to actually pay for it. That's a great lesson to teach our kids--why work for anything? Just be like that guy, sit on your monthly Government check and you can still live in a spanking new pad in the heart of the city.

[Stunnies23]

Originally Posted by Jibba

You realize that the people that most need public transit can't come close to affording the rent in any of the "transit-oriented" developments being built, right??

Well, there are dozens of other El stops that have more affordable rent.

[Chi-Sky21]

They can, just not "transit-oriented" developments in well to do areas.

[Via Chicago]

i mean, i do think theres a fair point that if we're talking about conversions, most of the down conversions are likely vintage 2 flats that otherwise would have been more affordable to rent, being turned into fancy SFHs. these are the types of rentals most prevalent in neighborhoods on the north side that would have given a person who couldnt afford a top of the line building, a way to still live in a more expensive neighborhood. these served as an important bedrock of the chicago rental market for a long time. now however as mentioned, those are being replaced with top of the line units in much fancier, larger, newer buildings charging top of the line rent. the person who could afford an $800-900 unit in an older building probably cant easily just be absorbed into a new building charging 2-3 times as much. it also continues the process of pushing Mom and Pop landlords out of the business, and replacing it more with large corporate-owned entities in neighborhoods. i think its detrimental to communities in general.

[Rooster slayer]

Originally Posted by Via Chicago

i mean, i do think theres a fair point that if we're talking about conversions, most of the down conversions are likely vintage 2 flats that otherwise would have been more affordable to rent, being turned into fancy SFHs. these are the types of rentals most prevalent in neighborhoods on the north side that would have given a person who couldnt afford a top of the line building, a way to still live in a more expensive neighborhood. these served as an important bedrock of the chicago rental market for a long time. now however as mentioned, those are being replaced with top of the line units in much fancier, larger, newer buildings charging top of the line rent. the person who could afford an $800-900 unit in an older building probably cant easily just be absorbed into a new building charging 2-3 times as much. it also continues the process of pushing Mom and Pop landlords out of the business, and replacing it more with large corporate-owned entities in neighborhoods. i think its detrimental to communities in general.

Agree, especially and this makes me think of Airbnb and other homestays:

" it also continues the process of pushing Mom and Pop landlords out of the business, and replacing it more with large corporate-owned entities in neighborhoods. i think its detrimental to communities in general."

[Via Chicago]

bootstraps amirite

[Investing In Chicago]

Originally Posted by Via Chicago

bootstraps amirite

God forbid somebody takes accountability and action for their lives, amirite?

[Stunnies23]

Let’s not forget that a good portion of those who are stuck in poverty are there becuase of crippling alcoholism and drug addiction. Immigrants who are willing to work hard, learn a new skill, or study in school while they are young will be on the path to the middle class in no time.
The biggest obstacle to success for our children is absent, abusive, susbstance abusing parents. If a child has two adults (mom, dad, Uncle, grandparents, older sibling, whoever) there to show them the right path, their chances for middle class success are huge. It’s those who are born into broken families are the ones that are screwed. No amount of affordable housing or ethnic communities will ever fix that. In fact, gang infested, ethnic communities may make their chances at succes even worse. Because of that, let rehabilitation of old building stock and new construction flourish in ever neighborhood of Chicago!