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Like allocating the original Events Centre funds for purchasing more school buses and hiring more drivers to make sure each mostly empty bus will be unilingual? That kind of surprise?
There was an interesting juxtaposition of headlines in the T&T last week.

One headline on the front page indicated that the province was looking at ways to slash the number of teaching jobs in the province. This to go along with an accelerated schedule of school closures based on new rules that the province intends to enact.

The next headline on the front page concentrated on the unacceptable fact that there were eight school busses in Kent County that had the temerity to transport anglophone and francophone students together. The minister of education viewed that treasonous act as a constitutional crisis of the highest order and required immediate action to correct this horrendous situation!!!!

So, we will end up trading fewer schools and fewer teachers for more busses and more bus drivers.

Only in New Brunswick.......

And people wonder why this province is going down the toilet.
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Only in New Brunswick.......

And people wonder why this province is going down the toilet.
There's a petition going around on Facebook about this hypocrisy. I doubt I can post the exact link here but you should do a search and sign.
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So, no mention of funding for the events centre in the provincial budget.......

Quelle surprise! I don't think Brian Gallant is interested in this project in the slightest.

I'm afraid the city will likely have to proceed to plan "B" for the old Highfield Square property.

I foresee the arrival soon of a brand new expanse of badly needed surface parking in the downtown core. If we're lucky, they might include a few planters scattered throughout the lot to give it a more festive atmosphere......
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So, no mention of funding for the events centre in the provincial budget.......

Quelle surprise! I don't think Brian Gallant is interested in this project in the slightest.

I'm afraid the city will likely have to proceed to plan "B" for the old Highfield Square property.

I foresee the arrival soon of a brand new expanse of badly needed surface parking in the downtown core. If we're lucky, they might include a few planters scattered throughout the lot to give it a more festive atmosphere......
So the same thing as when the beautiful former CN office was torn down?
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Quote of the Decade from His Worship Mayor George LeBlanc, as reported in todays T&T:

Regarding the anticipated May 1st start-of-construction date for the downtown Moncton events centre:

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"obviously it's not going to happen"


Despite his best efforts, the mayor is still waiting for a commitment for funding for the events centre from the provincial government. The T&T article again mentioned that there is hundreds of millions of dollars of private development funding waiting in the wings for this relatively modest provincial contribution of $24M, including "The Junction" mixed use residential development on the SW corner of Main & Vaughn Harvey, the Acquillini Block on the NE corner of Main & Highfield where the Crowne Plaza hotel is located and also a proposed retail/commercial/high density residential development expected for the old Bay parking lot.

So Mr. Premier, have you decided to be a pro development Premier or not?

Or are we to presume that your recent decisions regarding the shale gas moratorium and making NB the highest tax regime jurisdiction in North America mean that you would prefer that we all learn to be goat farmers or migrant workers in Fort MacMurray.

Your call Mr. Premier........
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Quote of the Decade from His Worship Mayor George LeBlanc, as reported in todays T&T:

Regarding the anticipated May 1st start-of-construction date for the downtown Moncton events centre:



Despite his best efforts, the mayor is still waiting for a commitment for funding for the events centre from the provincial government. The T&T article again mentioned that there is hundreds of millions of dollars of private development funding waiting in the wings for this relatively modest provincial contribution of $24M, including "The Junction" mixed use residential development on the SW corner of Main & Vaughn Harvey, the Acquillini Block on the NE corner of Main & Highfield where the Crowne Plaza hotel is located and also a proposed retail/commercial/high density residential development expected for the old Bay parking lot.

So Mr. Premier, have you decided to be a pro development Premier or not?

Or are we to presume that your recent decisions regarding the shale gas moratorium and making NB the highest tax regime jurisdiction in North America mean that you would prefer that we all learn to be goat farmers or migrant workers in Fort MacMurray.

Your call Mr. Premier........

Have you voiced your concerns with the premier or have you just posted it on here where he isn't going to read it?
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Have you voiced your concerns with the premier or have you just posted it on here where he isn't going to read it?
Just venting......

I will try in the future to be less personal, but I am tremendously disappointed in the response by the new government to the events centre project. This is by far the most crucial piece of the puzzle in the the future development of the downtown core and it is incomprehensible to me that the new government fails to see this. It should be self evident, and the economic benefits of a relatively small investment into this project by the government would be truly profound. How can they be blind to this???? What are the politics involved????

This is a transformative project that should transcend politics.
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Just venting......

I will try in the future to be less personal, but I am tremendously disappointed in the response by the new government to the events centre project. This is by far the most crucial piece of the puzzle in the the future development of the downtown core and it is incomprehensible to me that the new government fails to see this. It should be self evident, and the economic benefits of a relatively small investment into this project by the government would be truly profound. How can they be blind to this???? What are the politics involved????

This is a transformative project that should transcend politics.
Hmmm. The fact the province is broke might have something to do with it. With gas taxes being raised and services being cut. It probably wouldn't go over well in the rest of the province to see this investment in a project that is really a want rather than a need. There are many needs in this province. Just saying.
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Just venting......

I will try in the future to be less personal, but I am tremendously disappointed in the response by the new government to the events centre project. This is by far the most crucial piece of the puzzle in the the future development of the downtown core and it is incomprehensible to me that the new government fails to see this. It should be self evident, and the economic benefits of a relatively small investment into this project by the government would be truly profound. How can they be blind to this???? What are the politics involved????

This is a transformative project that should transcend politics.

I agree with everything you have to say on the project MonctonRad - I guess I was just trying to make the point that concerns should get voiced with the premier somehow. i know there is a lot of support for this project and I wish that support could somehow get voiced to the premier.

On the plus side - I am at least hoping one major project get off the ground downtown this summer.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunsw...entre-project-misses-deadlines-1.3022589

Moncton's $107M downtown centre project misses deadlines
Coun. Brian Hicks says project has been on 'life support' for several years over lack of funding
By Marc Genuist, CBC News Posted: Apr 07, 2015 6:08 AM AT| Last Updated: Apr 07, 2015 6:08 AM AT

There's growing anxiety over the future of Moncton's $107-million downtown centre as several key deadlines continue to be missed.

Construction was supposed to start this spring or summer but everything has been put on hold since December.

Anne Poirier Basque, the executive director of Downtown Moncton Inc., says she's frustrated by all the delays.

She said she had hoped to hear some news about the project in last week's provincial budget.

She said she is still hoping the money will come through because her members have already started putting $250,000 a year for 10 years into a trust fund to help pay for the centre.

Poirier Basque said she expects any announcement will be delayed as the provincial government deals with the negative publicity surrounding its tough budget for 2015.

"I would have liked an announcement even next week sometime I think that would be very timely but I don't know, the government has to deal with all the criticism that they're getting right now from the budget so I don't know how this is going to all work out," she said.

Poirier Basque said she's still optimistic about the downtown centre's future.

She said the latest deadline she's been given by the city is near the end of this month.

"So, for now, they're telling us near the end of April so we're still hopeful," she said.

"We're hoping that by the end of April there's going to be an announcement on this project."

Coun. Brian Hicks said he is not as confident the project is still alive.

"I think it's been on life support for a couple of years," he said.

Hicks said the promised federal money is unlikely since it would break the prime minister's statement in 2011 that no federal money would go toward sports arenas

Moncton-Riverview-Dieppe Conservative MP Robert Goguen has said the federal government is prepared to find money from the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency.

It is also willing to give money to Moncton to pay for infrastructure, such as roads or water and sewer lines. The city would then use the savings to put its own money into the downtown arena.

Hicks said if the federal government makes an exception for Moncton, it will suddenly find itself with all sorts of demands from other cities in Canada for similar help.

"That would have to be used in Quebec City. probably 14 or 15 other major cities in Canada that would like to have funding for arenas," he said.

"You just can't play that shell game in Moncton, it would have to be a federal program and I really can't believe the federal government is going to buy into that."

As for provincial money, Hicks said he wonders how Premier Brian Gallant could give money to Moncton for a downtown centre after making deep cuts and tax hikes

"To me that would take him completely off message of, 'We are in difficult financial times here,' that $24 million would pay for 90 nursing homes beds in Moncton, it would pay for a lot of things," he said.

Jim Lockyer, the chair of the board of 3+, a group that lobbies for economic development in greater Moncton, said he is more optimistic about the project.

He said just because there was nothing in the budget, doesn't mean the project is dead.

Lockyer said the money for the downtown centre could be included in a department's budget and that would come out at a later time.

He said the case has been made to the provincial government that the future of Moncton rests on this project.

"It's an investment of $100 million into the downtown area … [there are] buildings closing downtown so there's a need there secondly, there's a ton of other projects waiting to go ahead if this one goes." he said.

Lockyer said there is a potential for significant private investments in Moncton, up to $70 million worth of construction in the downtown, if the federal and provincial governments agree to commit money to the project.

He said he thinks it could foster growth in the region for the next 40 years.

However, Hicks said he heard the same siren calls 14 years ago when the city decided to buy the Beaver Lumber lands downtown in order to promote development.

He said so far that's only led to the Roger's call centre being built.

Lockyer said his only concern is that time is of the essence and that this project cannot continue to be put on hold.

"These projects are so big and involve so many players, financial institutions, prices, construction prices, estimates so on and so forth that once you put a package together and agreed, it is tough to hold it together and time becomes important." he said.

As for the city, it sent a delegation to meet with government officials in January to make the economic case for the downtown. It's not commenting on the latest delays or lack of news.

The two developers, Bird Construction and Ellis Don say they can't comment because part of the Request for Proposals stipulates that they are not to discuss their bids with the media.
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George LeBlanc says Moncton downtown centre 'at a crossroads'
Mayor remains optimistic federal and provincial governments will come through with funding
CBC News Posted: Apr 08, 2015 11:43 AM AT| Last Updated: Apr 08, 2015 11:43 AM AT

(Mayor George) LeBlanc says he's concerned about the delays, but he thinks the other levels of government will realize the downtown centre is an investment in the future of the city and the province.

"I think we're at a crossroads when it comes to this project," said LeBlanc.

"We can sit back and do nothing and watch as our position as a sports and entertainment centre erodes, watch as economic prosperity passes us by, or we can take action to ensure the future prosperity of our downtown and our city."

LeBlanc said the downtown centre is an important project for the city's future.

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George LeBlanc says Moncton downtown centre 'at a crossroads'
Mayor remains optimistic federal and provincial governments will come through with funding
CBC News Posted: Apr 08, 2015 11:43 AM AT| Last Updated: Apr 08, 2015 11:43 AM AT

(Mayor George) LeBlanc says he's concerned about the delays, but he thinks the other levels of government will realize the downtown centre is an investment in the future of the city and the province.

"I think we're at a crossroads when it comes to this project," said LeBlanc.

"We can sit back and do nothing and watch as our position as a sports and entertainment centre erodes, watch as economic prosperity passes us by, or we can take action to ensure the future prosperity of our downtown and our city."

LeBlanc said the downtown centre is an important project for the city's future.

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunsw...owntown-centre-at-a-crossroads-1.3024594

Well now I'm just getting nervous.
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Hmmm. The fact the province is broke might have something to do with it. With gas taxes being raised and services being cut. It probably wouldn't go over well in the rest of the province to see this investment in a project that is really a want rather than a need. There are many needs in this province. Just saying.
I'm all for a new Centre, but all I can say is RIGHT ON THE NOSE!
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Likely more bad news for the events centre:

Moncton considers service cuts as provincial grant shrinks
Moncton's chief financial officer says fire station and firefighters could be cut, taxes could increase

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John Martin, the city's chief financial officer, told councillors on Thursday that he expects Moncton's provincial equalization grant to be cut to $3 million next year compared to five years ago when it was $11.5 million.

[...]

He said the money could be saved by cutting salaries to employees, by not hiring as many summer students and offering unpaid vacation days or a four-day work week to employees with a salary reduction.

"I'm not too tied up basically on any one area, these were just suggestions that the senior management group put together for council to see the types of things that they may want to consider," he said.

Martin also suggested the city could save $64,000 by no longer plowing 40 of the 280 kilometres of sidewalks in the winter that it currently clears and by reducing the number of outdoor rinks from six to three.

Other options included cutting eight firefighters and closing a fire station.

Jacques Dubé, the city manager, noted the fire department has an overtime budget of $900,000 and that firefighters received a controversial four-per-cent wage increase through arbitration.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunsw...ts-as-provincial-grant-shrinks-1.3026860

WTF! How can they seriously consider spending $40MM for the centre at the expense of road safety, firefighters and paying staff? This province is getting more ridiculous by the day... The events centre project is going to sleep for some time.
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I hear ya. I think things are getting very ominous for the events centre.

This was an interesting quote from the CBC article:

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Martin says Moncton is also facing a slow down in assessment growth and he expects the deficit to be $2.4 million.
I am quite concerned by this, and I must admit that I too think the "Moncton Miracle" is beginning to peter out after a 15-20 year run. The whole province should be worried about this as Moncton (and Saint John) are the engines of growth for the province. If our big cities begin to pack it in, then what is NB as a whole to do???

Cities live and breathe on property taxes and tax assessments. If there is no growth then the cities rapidly run out of money. Services then begin to suffer.

Ironically, the most obvious way to support assessment increases would be by supporting the events centre. The events centre and ancillary projects in the surrounding area might increase the city's tax base by $250M. This increase in the tax base would more than offset the loss of the provincial grant. Perhaps we should carry on with the events centre in order to stimulate growth!

There is after all a difference in accounting terms between operational costs and capital investments. The events centre should be considered a capital investment which will drive revenue growth that could pay for the increasing costs of operating the city.

Hopefully the Liberal government can grasp this basic accounting concept when making their final decision whether or not to support the events centre......
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Projects like the Events Centre (and the new proposed Freddy Playhouse) are generally just seen as costs in the public eye, especially with the way the opposition will tend to rally against them. It's really difficult to convince people that those types of projects, as long as they fit their environment, are generators, both for the neighbourhoods they are around and for the city in general. And the Moncton Centre as proposed is, IMO, a good size (if not a hair small) for the city; Moncton doesn't need NHL sized centres yet, and anyone proposing that should rightfully be roasted.

The other thing too, is that while the province is in financial dire straits, I don't really see funding these things as being that much of a 'want' project. Okay, it is a 'want', but it's a want that will help grease the Moncton and provincial economic wheels for years and decades to come, both in constructing it and running it. But the opponents harp on the raw numbers, and make it harder to happen, leading to this sort of situation we're seeing now. Really, this is a Needed Want. While you need to allocate your budget to cover your needs (speaking as a government), you still need to cover some want projects to make sure people will want to go to the areas. Having good roads and sewers and such is useless if no one wants to live there because all the big shows go somewhere else.

(And I expect the new Playhouse in Freddy is going to be a similar hard sell in the years to come too. *sigh* )
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(And I expect the new Playhouse in Freddy is going to be a similar hard sell in the years to come too. *sigh* )
Yeah, but hopefully they can get that community finding thing going, so Provincial funding will be less necessary for the Playhouse. Moncton might consider something similar if funding for the Events Centre falls through.
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Yeah, but hopefully they can get that community finding thing going, so Provincial funding will be less necessary for the Playhouse. Moncton might consider something similar if funding for the Events Centre falls through.
Bit easier to crowdfund for a community theatre than for an events centre whose primary tenant is owned by the Irvings, but yes.
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Dieppe and Riverview should be asked to contribute as they'll reap benefits too. Too bad there's no political will to force amalgamation...
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Dieppe and Riverview should be asked to contribute as they'll reap benefits too. Too bad there's no political will to force amalgamation...
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