RAM - Royal Alberta Museum

[hilman]

Even the HVAC grates are awesome!!



Stone panels are limestone:


Amphitheatre:




https://twitter.com/vineshpratap

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by s211

I was going to bite my tongue but now that you've opened things up:

Thanks, Donna, for nothing.

What is the drain pipe doing there in the main spiral staircase? I hope its temporary?

[Coldrsx]

Looks like a RWL, continues the form though, but I would expect it to be clad with something nice.

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Looks like a RWL, continues the form though, but I would expect it to be clad with something nice.

"continues the form though" not really. It is unsightly no matter how much lipstick is put on it. What I am puzzled about it why it wasn't routed into the offices behind, and hidden from sight. If this is a product of Dialogs "integrated team" approach - I am not amused.

[Threlc]

Wandered by today. As others mention, I am of two minds about the flat expanse along 104th Ave. Understand how that space can be used for temporary art displays and the banners prevalent at so many museums. Also think changing the landscaping between 104th and the museum could do a lot for the look of the building, starting with getting rid of the regular "street trees" we use in Edmonton.

[s211]

Originally Posted by hilman

https://twitter.com/RoyalAlberta/status/765593583491620868

I love that they incorporated those old murals from the post office, but when they're the best part of a new development's look, what does that tell you?

[Rocket252]

Typical Edmonton underachievement. Like putting lipstick on the old post office pig.

Now that we have it we live with it but Sorry folks We could have done a lot better.

[hilman]

Typical overreaction and drama more like it.

[Catch22]

I suppose it had to happen. I've read the entire RAM post from beginning to end several times and I had to reply.
As far as I can tell, not one of the posters has ever read the OSR " Owner's statement of requirements" which set the standards for each and every space.
Nor does it seem that any poster has ever reached out to the Design team to ask why the design exists for specific design elements.
No poster ever inquired to why placing a green roof over culturally irreplaceable items constitutes not only a bad design and terrible risk but as a LEED credit was not brought forward.
Nor can posters tell the difference between precast and limestone finishes
Nor can posters tell the difference between a Rain water leader and a structural support for an unfinished architectural feature - which is clearly shown in the design drawings that Alberta infrastructure posted years ago.
Nor has any poster ever inquired why the feature stair exists as it does.
Suffice to say, I have found, after reading every anonymous posting, that this group appears to be the result of ramblings of a terribly insular, and insecure group of individuals who post opinions without thought, without determining facts and without any sort of background to support their statements.
As an outside viewer to this particular forum it is most evident that the strong opinions made anonymously verge on the edge of cyber bullying.
It has been said that "Observation without judgement is the highest form of intelligence"
Which brings me to the google query for "What do you call a group of uniformed and misguided people with strong opinions?"
Answer - 'In the title"
Should anyone wish to continue this discourse with both reasonable questions, backed by sound design and/or engineering principles I would welcome that over the existing uninformed hogwash, tripe, and random verbal diarrhea that this group expounds.

The opinion, no matter how loudly shouted, of some 25 misguided forum posters in a city of 1.1 million carries little weight, changes no history, and offers nothing positive to the culture of those who are contributing meaningfully to the development of this city.

I would ask your to review your own posts, and ask yourself honestly, are you building up others, or just tearing them down? Am you placing your limited understanding of complex situation above those who are wholly involved and offering judgement without mercy, compassion, or wisdom?

I believe you can be better contributors to this forum, and to this city's culture. Lets start by being professionals, honest purveyors of reasoned and thoughtful discourse.

[Coldrsx]

Again, the more I see 'finished', the more I likey and it is empty and devoid of life so far... cannot wait until next DEC.

[hilman]

^^
A very refreshing post









Movable partitions:



https://twitter.com/JohnHansonCTV

[Black Star]

Originally Posted by s211

I was going to bite my tongue but now that you've opened things up:

Thanks, Donna, for nothing.

Settle down.....

[buk]

Originally Posted by Catch22

I suppose it had to happen. I've read the entire RAM post from beginning to end several times and I had to reply.
As far as I can tell, not one of the posters has ever read the OSR " Owner's statement of requirements" which set the standards for each and every space.
Nor does it seem that any poster has ever reached out to the Design team to ask why the design exists for specific design elements.
No poster ever inquired to why placing a green roof over culturally irreplaceable items constitutes not only a bad design and terrible risk but as a LEED credit was not brought forward.
Nor can posters tell the difference between precast and limestone finishes
Nor can posters tell the difference between a Rain water leader and a structural support for an unfinished architectural feature - which is clearly shown in the design drawings that Alberta infrastructure posted years ago.
Nor has any poster ever inquired why the feature stair exists as it does.
Suffice to say, I have found, after reading every anonymous posting, that this group appears to be the result of ramblings of a terribly insular, and insecure group of individuals who post opinions without thought, without determining facts and without any sort of background to support their statements.
As an outside viewer to this particular forum it is most evident that the strong opinions made anonymously verge on the edge of cyber bullying.
It has been said that "Observation without judgement is the highest form of intelligence"
Which brings me to the google query for "What do you call a group of uniformed and misguided people with strong opinions?"
Answer - 'In the title"
Should anyone wish to continue this discourse with both reasonable questions, backed by sound design and/or engineering principles I would welcome that over the existing uninformed hogwash, tripe, and random verbal diarrhea that this group expounds.

The opinion, no matter how loudly shouted, of some 25 misguided forum posters in a city of 1.1 million carries little weight, changes no history, and offers nothing positive to the culture of those who are contributing meaningfully to the development of this city.

I would ask your to review your own posts, and ask yourself honestly, are you building up others, or just tearing them down? Am you placing your limited understanding of complex situation above those who are wholly involved and offering judgement without mercy, compassion, or wisdom?

I believe you can be better contributors to this forum, and to this city's culture. Lets start by being professionals, honest purveyors of reasoned and thoughtful discourse.

Please don't wait so long to post again. The truth in this is refreshing.

[s211]

Originally Posted by Catch22

Which brings me to the google query for "What do you call a group of uniformed and misguided people with strong opinions?"
Answer - 'In the title"

I would ask your to review your own posts, and ask yourself honestly, are you building up others, or just tearing them down?

I see you weren't above using the word "idiots". I feel built-up already!

I have not seen a project headed by Donna that I've liked. Not a single one. If that's tearing a person down, then let's just give everyone a trophy for showing up and call it a day.

[Coldrsx]

Catch22 is indeed refreshing, but clearly has time or a level of detail devoted to this that the average person here does not.

That said, yes, loved the comments and I will forever continue to believe that is a RWL (even if it was a bit of a joke).

[240glt]

Still think the north elevation is inexcusable but overall the project looks very nice

Do agree the stair railing should be glass instead of what looks like Alpolic panels

[EdmTrekker]

Catch22, This was a rather stupid statement: "Nor can posters tell the difference between precast and limestone finishes". Why should the public worry about that when the public information and the Ministry website still states it will be Tyndall Stone. Of course you know it was VE ... correct?

You appear to be suggesting that the panels are 100% limestone, ever so carefully sliced and polished , not to be confused with concrete (panels) which include limestone as part of the aggregate (obviously) and who gives a shit what the percentage is ... when it was Tyndall Stone that should be there in the first place!

[Hardhatdan]

Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

Catch22, This was a rather stupid statement: "Nor can posters tell the difference between precast and limestone finishes". Why should the public worry about that when the public information and the Ministry website still states it will be Tyndall Stone. Of course you know it was VE ... correct?

You appear to be suggesting that the panels are 100% limestone, ever so carefully sliced and polished , not to be confused with concrete (panels) which include limestone as part of the aggregate (obviously) and who gives a shit what the percentage is ... when it was Tyndall Stone that should be there in the first place!

Fella, Tyndall stone is limestone, it's just a specific subset quarried in Manitoba that has lots of fossils and a has an interesting pattern.
I've said before I like this finish without a close look its a bit less patterned and cleaner, haven't had an up close look though.
My issue has been with the north facd and a worry of it being much more "blank" and uninteresting than the original renderings that incorporated parts of the old station (it looked like).
I'm looking forward to taking a walk around the building to see how it "feels" in it's finished form.

[itom 987]

Originally Posted by hilman

Even the HVAC grates are awesome!!

You're welcome.

[buk]

Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

Catch22, This was a rather stupid statement: "Nor can posters tell the difference between precast and limestone finishes". Why should the public worry about that when the public information and the Ministry website still states it will be Tyndall Stone. Of course you know it was VE ... correct?

You appear to be suggesting that the panels are 100% limestone, ever so carefully sliced and polished , not to be confused with concrete (panels) which include limestone as part of the aggregate (obviously) and who gives a shit what the percentage is ... when it was Tyndall Stone that should be there in the first place!

A beautiful product. This is what was spec,d (what I was told). Some people mistakingly refer to all limestone as Tyndall.
https://www.indianalimestonecompany.com/products/building-veneers/vanderbilt-classic-veneer/
I encourage Catch22 to confirm.

Edit: found the link
https://www.indianalimestonecompany.com/...-proceeding-on-new-royal-alberta-museum/