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Old Posted Mar 10, 2010, 7:52 AM
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the sign will most likely be built like that, it is in a heritage style the City seems to like
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2010, 12:27 AM
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From the Courier - interesting notes about The Georgia...

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Athletes Village balconies aren't wheelchair accessible
Former mayor and Paralympic Games ambassador calls situation a 'scandal'

Mike Howell
Vancouver Courier


Wednesday, March 10, 2010

As athletes gather in Vancouver this week for the 2010 Paralympic Games, none of the apartment balconies at the Athletes Village were designed to allow access for wheelchairs.

And the ambassador for the Paralympic Games isn't too happy about it.

Sam Sullivan, the city's former mayor, said while he understands the concerns the design team had with water leaking from a balcony into a suite, more effort should have been made to make the balconies accessible. All suites have a curb between the living area and the balcony. "That's a scandal," said Sullivan, who was recently appointed ambassador to the Paralympics. "I just talked to the guy building the Georgia hotel and he told me he had to fight for it but he has now achieved an agreement that he can build flush balconies. So if a private sector guy in a very expensive building like that can do it, why couldn't the Athletes' Village do it?"

This week, Paralympians and officials from Canada and around the world arrive in Vancouver and Whistler for the Paralympic Games, which kick off Friday. According to the Vancouver organizing committee's website, 350 people will reside at the city's Athletes Village and 1,200 at the Whistler Athletes Village.

Last week, the Courier reported that Vancouver was one of the most accessible cities in the world for people with disabilities, according to Sullivan, who is a quadriplegic and requires the use of a wheelchair.

But the fact that buildings which will be home to disabled athletes are not fully accessible is disappointing to Sullivan, who noted the Southeast False Creek development was recently certified as the greenest, most energy efficient and sustainable neighbourhood in the world.

"It's very upsetting for me to think about that now," Sullivan said.

Structural engineer Roger Bayley, who was the design manager for Merrick Architecture on the Southeast False Creek project, said adding curbs between living area and balconies is typical in highrises.

"If the building envelope fails, then we've got serious problems on our hands," said Bayley, noting a curb is typically seven inches tall. "I can tell you we went through an awful lot of discussion on this issue and everyone concluded that at the end of the day, [building] envelope performance had to trump the access to the balconies."

He agreed with Sullivan that a suite could be built so a balcony would be flush with the living area. But, he said, it would be expensive because of the added cost of making specially designed concrete slab forms.

Bayley believed the current city council, led by Vision Vancouver Coun. Heather Deal, passed a motion that required all new highrises be built with flush balconies. Deal did not return a call to the Courier before deadline.

"I don't know whether the construction industry and the design industry ever got around to reading this motion because it would have very significant impacts on the construction process," he said.

Jane Dyson, executive director of the B.C. Coalition of People with Disabilities, said she was disappointed to learn the balconies at the village were not accessible to people in wheelchairs. Dyson called the inaccessible balconies "shortsighted."

"I would have hoped they would have had some wheelchair users and people with other disabilities to go and test it out," she said. "We think that's really important and it's not done enough."

The Courier left several messages over the past two weeks for VANOC to determine if portable ramps would be installed so wheelchair athletes and officials could access balconies at the village.

A VANOC representative contacted the Courier March 5 and said she would call back with an answer. The Courier had not received a call before deadline. Anna Parisi of the Canadian Paralympic Committee declined to comment on the issue.

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Old Posted Mar 11, 2010, 12:35 AM
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I'm not sure I would call this a scandal - especially since taxpayers are footing the bill for the village's use for athletes. An oversight on the part of planners, quite possibly. But is balcony access really that important in March for a one-time event?

Perhaps Sammy has an alterior motive by calling this a scandal -- probably trying to embarrass the city into revising its building codes.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2010, 12:46 AM
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I agree that this isn't really much of a scandal. From the sound of it the type of balcony that would be wheelchair accessible is alot more expensive and could increase the risk of water damage. Seeing how the athletes are there for the winter paralympics, I could see why the designer would come to the conclusion that the balconies wouldn't be getting that much use and the additional cost couldn't be justified.
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Wow, great photo! Georgia will make that view even more amazing!

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Thanks Locked-in! I can't wait 'til it starts rising evermore skyward and they start putting some glazing on the south side.

I think it's gonna be a beaut.
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Yes, that is a great photo, and this is the best part, if my eye is correct the top of this tower will be beyond the top of your image when completed!
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I hope, in the end, it does have a significant lighting feature on top like the drawings show.

This will technically be the second tallest building in Vancouver when it is done, although I wonder if it will appear that way due to its being built slightly down a hill. I hope it pops out the top of the skyline a bit.

Regarding light features, I wish Shangri-La would do the following: put a single vectoral elevation-type searchlight on its top and have a beam of blue light point directly up, piercing the night sky. So simple, but so dramatic.

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Does anyone have the technical savvy to take a picture from Robson Square looking North, and "mock in" the Georgia, to show how it will look when it is finished?

I think a lot of us are quite excited about this new project, and this would give us a sneak preview of it, if that's possible. Thank you.
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I have one huge issue with this project, the location. There should never have been any residential approved around Robson square and lots of peoplewill regret this. Sure the square isnt used to its potential but now it will be all but certain that it remains this way for ever. It could have been a square with events going late in to the night, say bar closing times, now this will never happen as the residents will never let it happen. Too bad. Could have been a great night time entertainment point, like during the olympics but now that wont happen, and even day time events will end up being potentially scaled down due to residents concerns. Before the square was perfect because it was sorounded and buffered by office buildings, not anymore.
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Before the square was abandoned~

Besides, this was mainly marketed to International buyers (almost exclusively) who are extremely wealthy and will only spend 10 days a year in town.

You don't use Sotheby's International to sell it, and charge $10,000 just to VIEW it, if that isn't your intention
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2010, 4:23 AM
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Does anyone have the technical savvy to take a picture from Robson Square looking North, and "mock in" the Georgia, to show how it will look when it is finished?

I think a lot of us are quite excited about this new project, and this would give us a sneak preview of it, if that's possible. Thank you.
I do not think you can ask for anything better than the renderings in post #1 on page 1 of this thread.
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I have one huge issue with this project, the location. There should never have been any residential approved around Robson square and lots of peoplewill regret this. Sure the square isnt used to its potential but now it will be all but certain that it remains this way for ever. It could have been a square with events going late in to the night, say bar closing times, now this will never happen as the residents will never let it happen. Too bad. Could have been a great night time entertainment point, like during the olympics but now that wont happen, and even day time events will end up being potentially scaled down due to residents concerns. Before the square was perfect because it was sorounded and buffered by office buildings, not anymore.
There is already residential above Chapters, which is way closer to Robson square than the Hotel Georgia residences. Electric Avenue is probably closer than this project will be. And the Hotel Vancouver isn't that fair either. I don't recall hearing about noise issues from any of these places.

I hope Robson Square grows and becomes more of a destination for events, parties, celebrations etc... but there are never going to events there until 'bar closing time'. At best, it will be like the Olympics.. programming until 11pm. I don't see this being a problem.
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awesome photos! im so glad nasty spandrels don't dominate this building
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The glass on the lower portion looks superb, hopefully it continues up the tower portion.

Thanks for the updates.
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