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Old Posted Jul 12, 2017, 7:39 AM
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Good work on her vetoing the Wal-Mart. It shows she actually cares about the community.
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Okay, So scrolling immediately from Steven's pics of Fireclay to the next post by JMK of Granite High. My first thought, if only for a couple of seconds was "Oh, now those are good looking apartment buildings!" Where are they at in Fireclay? Man, I hope they are able to get those shells preserved. I would be the first to say a lot of the old Granite High is not particularly attractive, but there are a few building there that would be valuable to preserve. These in the picture would create an extremely attractive residential street presence. Imagine those Granite High buildings pictured on one side of a pedestrian street, with the other side(where we see the demolition pictured) consisting of a similar style developed by Garbett.

I also agree with the Mayor. A Walmart is the last type of commercial needed there. Anything, that would precipitate a large parking lot would be a travesty at that location. South Salt Lake, especially Garbett can do much better than that!

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I was kinda impressed with the foot traffic in the Fireclay area for being 105 degrees on that day. Between all the housing in the area and what will be available soon, I am disappointed in the retail options. There are the commercial spaces in the original building but they are just businesses and not shops or restaurants. Nothing that would make the area a destination.

This building is nice since it adds one additional floor for some height variation but does nothing at the street level. Brick wall and tall windows should be replaced with shop spaces. So close to the TRAX station with this building and it could have been so much more. Also looks to be using a huge surface parking lot behind and to the south of the building. Murray needs to start enforcing new zoning laws for that area to encourage a better urban environment.

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Ha, For a second I thought these below were cool looking new lofts at Fireclay.

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Despite alumni efforts to preserve its buildings, demolition begins on historic Granite High School



http://www.sltrib.com/news/5493730-155/despite-alumni-efforts-to-preserve-its
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Granite High School, which has been a Salt Lake Valley landmark since 1907, will be gone by the end of August — and construction will begin before then on 76 single-family homes that will take the place of what was once the school's baseball diamond.

Plans for the rest of the land on the north side of the 27-acre property are still in flux. Though slated for commercial development, the South Salt Lake City Council would need to rezone the area for such use before any projects could move forward. South Salt Lake Mayor Cherie Wood previously vetoed the location for a Walmart grocery store, and the City Council, which favored it, couldn't muster the votes to override her veto.

South Salt Lake Councilman Mark Kindred said the Planning Commission recently denied the commercial plan, which he expects to come before the council for consideration in the next few weeks.

With the buildings still standing, though gutted, Eatchel said he hasn't lost hope that they could be preserved — particularly because he said the city and its residents are still fighting against the commercial development proposal.

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Old Posted Jul 12, 2017, 7:38 PM
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Good work on her vetoing the Wal-Mart. It shows she actually cares about the community.
If she actually cared about the community, she would have helped save Granite High for use as a community center or some similar community benefit. That would have been far more beneficial than new houses.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2017, 8:34 PM
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They tried to do that for years, didn't they? I don't remember all of the exact series of events, but I thought they weren't able to secure funding for that after multiple attempts.
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Yep. Bond in 2011 to save the school and turn it into a community center lost by 11 votes.

http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=...52-90/bond-granite-lower-center.html.csp

Then a plan to turn it into a movie studio fell through.

http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=...78/granite-redman-woodbury-lake.html.csp

Building is cursed. Tragic.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2017, 9:48 PM
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It's easy to point fingers, but the fact is, I'm not sure how much really could've been done. I've stated that I would've liked to have seen that property turned into a community center/park, but it's not as if Cherie Wood can wave some magic wand and make it happen all on her own. She doesn't take the blame for this.

And I choose to look at it a different way stenar - if she didn't care about the community, she wouldn't have bothered vetoing the Wal-Mart proposal. I would take a new residential development with some retail area over a Wal-Mart or the building sitting vacant for 10 more years.
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Agreed. Wasn't much she could do. The bond failed.
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Agreed. Wasn't much she could do. The bond failed.
Maybe if she was a lesbian also she could have gotten some pity votes.
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2017, 7:18 AM
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There's a grass field by the Millcreek TRAX station, next to the little office building across the parking lot, that has been dug up and has a sign that says "Available, Multi-Family Housing". Are we about to finally see some TOD at 33rd South?
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Because the main thread is temporarily closed. I love taking pictures of this view.
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since this is basically in Utah and I don't think there's a Tooele thread,

A massive new liquor store is opening in West Wendover

http://fox13now.com/2017/07/25/a-25000-square-foot-liquor-store-is-opening-in-west-wendover/

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WEST WENDOVER, Nevada -- For this tiny town on the Utah-Nevada border, it's a big new development.
Lee's Discount Liquor is planning to open a 25,000 square foot store here. It's another siren song to lure Utahns who already venture across the border to gamble or take in a concert.

"It will be the largest liquor store in northern Nevada," West Wendover Mayor Daniel Corona told FOX 13.

Lee's Discount Liquor is Nevada's largest liquor store chain starting from a small shop in Las Vegas in 1981. The store is known for big stock, low prices and aggressive advertising. The company's TV commercials and billboards often feature its founder, Hae Un Lee, and his son, Kenny.


An aerial view of the 25,000 square foot Lee's Discount Liquor under construction in West Wendover, Nevada. (Image by Aaron Kimbell, SkyFOX)
The company did not comment beyond saying it planned to open in October, but West Wendover city leaders are excited about their new development -- even if it may not entirely be meant for Nevada residents.

"If we're being honest, our liquor stores -- you go to the parking lot on Sunday morning and their trunks are open and they're filling their trunks with liquor," Mayor Corona said. "Most of the time they're Utah license plates."

On weekdays, West Wendover's population is about 5,000. On weekends, it swells to as many as 20,000 with people coming to gamble, drink and maybe take in a concert. (Last week, the West Wendover City Council recently passed an ordinance to eventually allow for marijuana sales, adding another possible vice to beckon people to the border.)

But bootlegging is a crime in Utah. More specifically, you're not paying taxes on a product that must be ordered through the Utah Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control. It's sold in state-run liquor stores at cost, plus a mandatory 88 percent markup.


A sign advertising the opening of a Lee's Discount Liquor in West Wendover, Nevada. (Photo by Ben Winslow, FOX 13 News)
"You cannot bring any liquor into the state of Utah that has not been purchased by the DABC," agency spokesman Terry Wood said Tuesday. "They call it bootlegging and it's illegal."

It is unlikely, however, that the Utah Highway Patrol will be able to stop every vehicle that may be bringing in a bottle of booze.

"They don't have any tequila-sniffing dogs that are going to come around your car," Wood conceded to FOX 13. "But they do watch for bootlegging."

Mayor Corona said he could empathize with Utahns who may want to take their chances.

"I can understand why people would risk it if they want their booze that much," he said. "Utah did just increase their prices to 88 percent."
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2017, 9:11 AM
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Amazing that Utah's completely unconstitutional laws banning transport of liquor across state borders has been allowed to stand this long.
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Amazing that Utah's completely unconstitutional laws banning transport of liquor across state borders has been allowed to stand this long.
Which part of the constitution does it violate? Also, Utah isn't the only state that has a law like this on the books.
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Which part of the constitution does it violate? Also, Utah isn't the only state that has a law like this on the books.
States can't regulate interstate commerce, that's the job of the federal govt. I'm not sure if it applies here but I think that's what they're getting at.
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States can't regulate interstate commerce, that's the job of the federal govt. I'm not sure if it applies here but I think that's what they're getting at.
"States were also able to restrict the importation of 'intoxicating liquors' into their territory under the provisions of the Twenty-first Amendment to the United States Constitution which, while ending the Federal role in alcohol control, exempted liquor from the constitutional rule reserving the regulation of interstate commerce to the federal government."
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States can't regulate interstate commerce, that's the job of the federal govt. I'm not sure if it applies here but I think that's what they're getting at.
This clearly isn't going to affect whether it is constitutional or not, because if that were the case then being pulled over for illegal fireworks from Wyoming, or illegal marijuana from Colorado would also be a problem. That's because the law is written about what qualifies as illegal alcohol for the state of Utah. If this was truly "unconstitutional" (a term that often means, "I don't like this law so it must be wrong) it would have been struck down years ago as some enterprising person would have seen the financial benefit to argue it in at least ONE of the states that has or had laws like this.
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"States were also able to restrict the importation of 'intoxicating liquors' into their territory under the provisions of the Twenty-first Amendment to the United States Constitution which, while ending the Federal role in alcohol control, exempted liquor from the constitutional rule reserving the regulation of interstate commerce to the federal government."
Supporting Stenar's point, the actual text of the 21st amendment states:

Section 2. The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.

Or in other words, you can't bring in liquor that violates state law.
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States can't regulate interstate commerce, that's the job of the federal govt. I'm not sure if it applies here but I think that's what they're getting at.
The interstate commerce clause grants Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce it does not prohibit states from regulating interstate commerce. If there were a conflict between federal and state law the state law would be struck down under the supremacy clause.
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Park City - Goldener Hirsch to Expand

Ground broken on Eccles family’s Goldener Hirsch Residences - http://www.parkrecord.com/news/business/ground-broken-on-eccles-familys-goldener-hirsch-residences/

...In a ceremony Tuesday at the Goldener Hirsch Inn in Deer Valley, the Eccles family — known in Utah for its philanthropic work and Spencer's F. Eccles'
involvement in the 2002 Winter Olympics — broke ground on the Goldener Hirsch Residences, a neighboring develpment that will feature 39 luxury condominiums
on the last remaining open parcel of land at Silver Lake Village...

...In addition to the condominiums, the property will feature a bridge connecting the residences with the Goldener Hirsch Inn, a rooftop pool and an après ski lounge,
among other amenities.

Bob Wheaton, president and general manager of Deer Valley Resort, which will manage Goldener Hirsch Residences, said in an interview that the property will be
"transformational" for the Silver Lake Village. For years, the parcel of land has been a parking lot, but the condominiums will fill out the area.

"There's been a lot of insight that's gone into the planning here," he said. "They've said, 'What do we need up here?' And that has been successfully incorporated into
this project."



Officials, including Spencer F. Eccles, Gov. Gary Herbert and Park City Mayor Jack Thomas, participate in the groundbreaking ceremony for Goldener Hirsch Residences in
Deer Valleys Silver Lake Village. The condominium building will be a sister property to the Goldener Hirsch Inn, which is owned by the influential Eccles family.



The preliminary plans include:
•3 new buildings, 5 and 6 stories high, similar in mass to the surrounding buildings
•Adding 38 residential condos: 1-bd, 2-bd, and 3-bd units + 1 ADA unit; the 2- and 3-bd units will have one bedroom keyed for lockout
•Estimated completion date is December 2018 (but this was discussed 6 months ago so this deadline has likely changed)
•Existing Goldener Hirsch Inn will remain but will have some modifications including losing 2 rooms to the new pedestrian bridge connecting the Inn with the new middle building
•One of the building pads is being used as a surface parking lot with about 45 spaces; the new 2-level underground parking garage will provide the required number of spaces for the residences plus an additional 40 spaces
•No new commercial space, but will be adding 3,200 sq ft of meeting space
•The middle building will feature the bulk of the amenities, including a porte cochère and new check-in area, lounge, owner storage, locker rooms, fitness room, rec room, and a rooftop pool


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