ATLANTA | Development Thread VI

[Sbgt92]

Where is Camden Buckhead to be located?

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by bigstick

Amazing, what is the time line of this?

This project has been around for more than a decade without any movement on the ground. The last update/PR for the project was aiming for a groundbreaking in early 2017.

Using High Street as an example for what Summerhill should be doing just proves that nothing would be done there for decades to come. It's not a reality in today's market unless you have a significant tenant wanting to get the project done (ie Amazon maybe?) as well as a transit line either already under construction or soon to be under construction. And let's be clear all plans for this area have highlighted/embraced the future transit line(s).

Taking a gradual, phased approach to redevelopment is what the developers of Summerhill are doing. They are creating active use of the existing building stock on Georgia Avenue and starting to plug in a scaled variety of housing transitioning to the current residential neighborhood. The GA State student housing project is very underwhelming, uninspiring but latching on to that as a critique because it doesn't match the renderings of the LCI study fails to embrace today's market realities.

Yes- we should hold this area to higher design standards but I'm also willing to bet most of the armchair architects/planners on here (and other forums) have not been active participants in all the public meetings.

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by Sbgt92

Where is Camden Buckhead to be located?

It's the final phase of Camden Paces - fronting Roswell Road and wrapping the corner of East Andrews.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by Sbgt92

Where is Camden Buckhead to be located?

This is a better view. Camden Buckhead is labeled #1. A future phase, Camden Paces is label #4.

[testarossa50]

I don't understand what all the fuss is about these Buckhead projects. I mean they're not bad by any stretch, but if someone said they were building this stuff within Midtown proper I wouldn't necessarily be enthused.

Heck, the new Atlantic Station office building was criticized for being not an intensive enough use for 17th Street, and I see that as a higher brow design than any of this stuff in Buckhead. And it's not even within Midtown proper.

[The Best Forumer]

So... when does this start?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Camden Paces was the first phase and it has been long finished.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by arctk2014

This project has been around for more than a decade without any movement on the ground. The last update/PR for the project was aiming for a groundbreaking in early 2017.

Using High Street as an example for what Summerhill should be doing just proves that nothing would be done there for decades to come. It's not a reality in today's market unless you have a significant tenant wanting to get the project done (ie Amazon maybe?) as well as a transit line either already under construction or soon to be under construction. And let's be clear all plans for this area have highlighted/embraced the future transit line(s).

Taking a gradual, phased approach to redevelopment is what the developers of Summerhill are doing. They are creating active use of the existing building stock on Georgia Avenue and starting to plug in a scaled variety of housing transitioning to the current residential neighborhood. The GA State student housing project is very underwhelming, uninspiring but latching on to that as a critique because it doesn't match the renderings of the LCI study fails to embrace today's market realities.

Yes- we should hold this area to higher design standards but I'm also willing to bet most of the armchair architects/planners on here (and other forums) have not been active participants in all the public meetings.

Armchair architect/planner and taxpayer here -

GID, the Boston based developer of High Street, is comparable to our Atlanta developer Dewberry. In that both acquire land/properties and hold for the long-term and develop their sites when the market is ready to realize their vision for the property. I admire developers like this because they are not just building projects, but a better city.

Based on your comments above, I suspect you wish GID would have started in 2004 with a "gradual, phased approach" with low density projects (single story retail, townhouse style apartments and low-rise student housing) similar to the methodology the Summerhill developers are using.

So you believe what High Street is doing not possible in Summerhill? Phase I of High Street is only 250K sqft of office, 75 condos, 100K of retail and 800 apartments. Which component(s) do you feel are not possible?

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

Camden Paces was the first phase and it has been long finished.

My bad - I meant #3 E Andrews Drive.

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Armchair architect/planner and taxpayer here -

GID, the Boston based developer of High Street, is comparable to our Atlanta developer Dewberry. In that both acquire land/properties and hold for the long-term and develop their sites when the market is ready to realize their vision for the property. I admire developers like this because they are not just building projects, but a better city.

Based on your comments above, I suspect you wish GID would have started in 2004 with a "gradual, phased approach" with low density projects (single story retail, townhouse style apartments and low-rise student housing) similar to the methodology the Summerhill developers are using.

So you believe what High Street is doing not possible in Summerhill? Phase I of High Street is only 250K sqft of office, 75 condos, 100K of retail and 800 apartments. Which component(s) do you feel are not possible?

Dear "Armchair architect/planner and taxpayer"-

High Street's developers are catering to the more affluent demographics of Dunwoody and Sandy Springs. This reeks all over their brochures and marketing campaigns. GID can afford to wait while the surrounding areas of Perimeter Center become more and more developed. Perimeter Center will be fine without High Street's development - but this isn't the case with Turner Field/Summerhill.

There are existing neighborhoods surrounding the Summerhill redevelopment project- including Grant Park, Peoplestown, and even Adair Park- that this project should reconnect and provide true neighborhood amenities. You cannot expect a project catering to an upper-middle class demographic be placed in the Summerhill neighborhood and be successful in addressing the current adjacent neighborhood's needs and desires.

The Summerhill/Turner Field redevelopment project has always had an affordable housing component. To expect a luxury development like GID's High Street development be compatible with this area is just unrealistic.

Signed,

Actual Architect AND Taxpayer

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by arctk2014

Dear "Armchair architect/planner and taxpayer"-

High Street's developers are catering to the more affluent demographics of Dunwoody and Sandy Springs. This reeks all over their brochures and marketing campaigns. GID can afford to wait while the surrounding areas of Perimeter Center become more and more developed. Perimeter Center will be fine without High Street's development - but this isn't the case with Turner Field/Summerhill.

There are existing neighborhoods surrounding the Summerhill redevelopment project- including Grant Park, Peoplestown, and even Adair Park- that this project should reconnect and provide true neighborhood amenities. You cannot expect a project catering to an upper-middle class demographic be placed in the Summerhill neighborhood and be successful in addressing the current adjacent neighborhood's needs and desires.

The Summerhill/Turner Field redevelopment project has always had an affordable housing component. To expect a luxury development like GID's High Street development be compatible with this area is just unrealistic.

Signed,

Actual Architect AND Taxpayer

I see the old axiom, "haters goin' to hate" is alive and well.

I guess if I believed how you see Summerhill today and in the future, I too would be OK with SURFACE PARKING LOTS, single story retail, townhouse style apartments and low-rise student housing.

I'm curious if you believe Fuqua's Madison Yards project is "catering to an upper-middle class demographic" as well? 905 Memorial Drive is only 2.5 miles away from Summerhill.

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

I see the old axiom, "haters goin' to hate" is alive and well.

I guess if I believed how you see Summerhill today and in the future, I too would be OK with SURFACE PARKING LOTS, single story retail, townhouse style apartments and low-rise student housing.

I'm curious if you believe Fuqua's Madison Yards project is "catering to an upper-middle class demographic" as well? 905 Memorial Drive is only 2.5 miles away from Summerhill.

This isn't about Fuqua. Stop gaslighting your arguments with other developments/developers in and around Atlanta (whether good or bad).

We all know that Phase 1 of the development isn't your ideal as far as maximizing density- you've made that point clear. And the developers have made their point isn't to wipe out all the buildings along Georgia Avenue- because they see value in reusing them for retail/loft office space- creating a sense of place in smaller-scaled developments is their strategy.

This is intentional because they want to maintain affordability for more local retail, restaurant uses. All your other comparisons are projects typically anchored with national chain corporations- again, something that has never been in the vision for Summerhill's redevelopment.

In order to keep the existing building stock along GA Avenue, you have to have "some" surface parking. To build a structured parking deck you'd have to wipe out many of those buildings - which will only increase rents to offset the cost of a structured parking deck.

[Pemgin]

Opus Place land development permit sent back to the city today. Hopefully approval is imminent.

[AtlHeel]

Originally Posted by Pemgin

Opus Place land development permit sent back to the city today. Hopefully approval is imminent.

That's exciting. How long does it typically take for the city to approve?!

[Pemgin]

Originally Posted by AtlHeel

That's exciting. How long does it typically take for the city to approve?!

I guess it depends. This one has been in the process for six months and only has one step left until approval (building plan review), which is getting sent back and forth. It says the city has to respond to applicants revisions by next Tuesday, at which point it's approved or sent back for revisions again, presumably. It will be interesting to see if they hit their October groundbreaking prediction.

[nature's calling]

Colony Square redevelopment will break ground October 10. The latest rendering

[arctk2014]

N. American Properties announced groundbreaking for the redevelopment of Colony Square- including demolition of one building 500 (on the north end of the site?) on Tuesday, October 10th.

https://whatnowatlanta.com/colony-square-break-ground-oct-10/

The first phase, opening July 4, 2018, the 50th anniversary of Colony Square’s original groundbreaking, will include street-level restaurants and retail wrapping the 100 building.

The second phase, opening March 14, 2019, will feature street-level restaurants wrapping the 400 building.

The third phase, opening Nov. 21, 2019, will include a "luxury" movie theater, Main & Main, modern office space and a curated collection of fitness concepts.

They've also included a new rendering in the PR release.

[jayden]

Can we get some updates on all that Midtown construction?

I feel like these last few pages have been filled with arguing and confusing diagrams...

[jwbab]

740 West Peachtree has started the Demolition/Land Development permitting process today.

740 West Peachtree, LLC - Land disturbance and demolition of existing structures. This QCR does not include allowance of vertical construction.

Link: https://aca3.accela.com/ATLANTA_GA/Cap/C...gencyCode=ATLANTA_GA&IsToShowInspection=

[echinatl]

Originally Posted by PhunkyPho

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2017/9/25/163...r-arthur-blank-falcons-develop-the-gulch

I'm surprised this didn't get more attention here. Maybe because there has been so much talk about this area with absolutely nothing happening, but to me this sounds MUCH more promising than the multi transit, green-way, or any other plans I've heard for this area.