YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yes, those mountains indeed create a challenge. Maybe that's why the aviation school is there.
Flight training at an airport with the most difficult (and dangerous) steeply angled
takeoffs and landings make a guy ready for just about any airport.

Thats right Trof. Apparently 10% of all AC pilots took their schooling here. We also have one of the best semi truck driving schools in the country due to our challenging highway mountain passes.

[Mike K.]

Korean Airlines will begin codesharing with Etihad (one of the UAE airlines that the federal government did not grant additional slots for due to concerns by Air Canada) on its route to Vancouver.

Also in the partnership spectrum – small but more rationale – Korean Air is expanding a deal with Etihad Airways, now a global leader in cross-border purchases and partnerships. Korean Air will code on Etihad's services to Johannesburg and Muscat while Etihad will code on Korean's services to Honolulu and Vancouver.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ko...le-growing-its-etihad-partnership-138069

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Mike K.

Korean Airlines will begin codesharing with Etihad (one of the UAE airlines that the federal government did not grant additional slots for due to concerns by Air Canada) on its route to Vancouver.



http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ko...le-growing-its-etihad-partnership-138069

Does this mean that Etihad metal could fly into YVR en route to/from Seoul?
Or am I dreaming again?

[deasine]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Does this mean that Etihad metal could fly into YVR en route to/from Seoul?
Or am I dreaming again?

I think you need to re-read it.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by deasine

I think you need to re-read it.

Yes, this refers to code-share only.

The bilateral between Canada and the UAE has not changed. Therefore, the maximum number of frequencies allowed between UAE and Canada remains fixed at 6 per week.

Here is a link to the CTA's approval of the code-share with more details. This approval was granted in September.

http://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/359-a-2013

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yes, this only refers to code-share only.

The bilateral between Canada and the UAE has not changed, therefore, the maximum number of frequencies allowed between UAE and Canada remains fixed at 6 per week.

Here is a link to the CTA's approval of the code-share with more details. This approval was granted in September.

http://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/359-a-2013

Thank you, Johnnie. I appreciate the link to the clarification, and I appreciate your politeness.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Thank you, Johnnie. I appreciate the link to the clarification, and I appreciate your politeness.

No worries mate.

I just looked at the gcmapper and this is actually quite a long route to get to Abu Dhabi.

YVR-ICN-AUH is 9364 miles
YVR-YYZ-AUH is 9008 miles
YVR-LHR-AUH is 8155 miles
YVR-FRA-AUH is 8049 miles.

So quite a long way around to go via Seoul.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

No worries mate.

I just looked at the gcmapper and this is actually quite a long route to get to Abu Dhabi.

YVR-ICN-AUH is 9364 miles
YVR-YYZ-AUH is 9008 miles
YVR-LHR-AUH is 8155 miles
YVR-FRA-AUH is 8049 miles.

So quite a long way around to go via Seoul.

Sure is. Wish we had a Gulf carrier direct. Even Qatar Airways.

[connect2source]

Blurry hi-zoom iphone shot of the B-Pier construction from Terra-Nova in Richmond.

Looks to be quite large scale as roof height looks close to that of the main terminal area.

I'm just wondering why YVR is making a mess of the overall terminal design with every pier being updated in an entirely different architecture and style than the previously updated ones like the C-Pier update. The domestic terminal once had a very stylish and cohesive design, now our airport is beginning to look like a hodgepodge of styles from different eras, much like Miami ( MIA ), LAX and SFO.

Photo By : connect2source

[officedweller]

Probably because architecturally, visitors really only see the outside of the main departures halls.

The old domestic terminal had a pretty landmark modern design - surpirsed that it was redone without an outcry:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/45379817@N08/8310696207/in/photostream/

[s211]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Probably because architecturally, visitors really only see the outside of the main departures halls.

The old domestic terminal had a pretty landmark modern design - surpirsed that it was redone without an outcry:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/45379817@N08/8310696207/in/photostream/

Ah, yes, the microscopic arrivals level on the very bottom was for international passengers, IIRC. Been awhile.

[craneSpotter]

Air Canada considers direct flights between Vancouver and India

BIV Nov 11, 2013

When Air Canada (TSX:AC.B) receives six Boeing 787 Dreamliners next year, it plans to base at least one of the planes in Vancouver, CEO Calin Rovinescu told Business in Vancouver.

"With the Dreamliner, you could have the right number of seats for a route such as Vancouver to India. So, India will be one of the routes we'll be studying."

Vancouver Airport Authority's director of aviation marketing, John Korenic, has been trying to convince various carriers for years that direct Vancouver-India flights make economic sense.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Air Canada considers direct flights between Vancouver and India

BIV Nov 11, 2013

Good to hear "at least one" of the 787s will be based in YVR.

As for direct flights to India... I won't hold my breath! But, as always, you never know. The economics of the 787 may make that a potentially viable route. Perhaps at least seasonal.

[craneSpotter]

YVR, Air Canada CEOs clash over push to open up airline competition


BIV Nov 11, 2013

The CEO of Canada's largest airline has come out swinging against Vancouver Airport Authority CEO Craig Richmond's drive to convince Ottawa to negotiate less restrictive air agreements so more carriers can fly in and out of Vancouver International Airport (YVR).

"We don't support and we will continue to not support that,"

Air Canada (TSX:AC.B) president and CEO Calin Rovinescu told Business in Vancouver during an exclusive interview.

Richmond last month told BIV ("Flight plans" – BIV profile; issue 1252; October 22-28) that his top priority was to convince the federal government to negotiate freer air agreements with the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Thailand and countries in South America to secure more direct flights to and from YVR and increase air traffic through the airport.

But Rovinescu opposes air agreements that let carriers in countries with small populations fly directly to Canada because he fears his airline would lose passengers to competition yet not find it viable to fly the same route.

In 2010, when Emirates Airline sought to expand its thrice-weekly Toronto-Dubai service and launch a Vancouver-Dubai route, Air Canada opposed the move, arguing that Emirates would pick up passengers from Canada and take them to third countries using Dubai as a stopover.

That would mean a loss of passengers for Canadian airlines without any reciprocal gain from new passengers coming from Dubai.

Hmmm, AC has a point I guess, of course from the view of a protected national carrier I believe YVR wanted to hub PAX going from Asia to SA - otherwise they will just go through US. A good opportunity for YVR.

[connect2source]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Probably because architecturally, visitors really only see the outside of the main departures halls.

The old domestic terminal had a pretty landmark modern design - surpirsed that it was redone without an outcry:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/45379817@N08/8310696207/in/photostream/

Huge shame but I don't think there was much appreciation for that style in the early 2000's, the only examples remaining of this true late 60's international Style are Bentall 1 and 2. Would have been fantastic if some of the original elements were retained, the materials were far superior as well.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by connect2source

Huge shame but I don't think there was much appreciation for that style in the early 2000's, the only examples remaining of this true late 60's international Style are Bentall 1 and 2. Would have been fantastic if some of the original elements were retained, the materials were far superior as well.

Agreed - no aluminum paneling in sight...

[Gordon]

I think YVR wants to develop it's self as a a gateway between Asia & South America. Some of the South American airlines may be ACs parteners for all we know..
It would be nice if the same architecural style was used for the various renovations.

Pier b is supposed to look like Pier A does.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by s211

Ah, yes, the microscopic arrivals level on the very bottom was for international passengers, IIRC. Been awhile.

I must be older than you, I remember when the very bottom level was the parkade! Now its the 7-11 etc.

All in all the terminal was a very cohesive design that was totally trashed. Only the outbuildings like the power plant, RCMP office remain.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by craneSpotter

Hmmm, AC has a point I guess, of course from the view of a protected national carrier I believe YVR wanted to hub PAX going from Asia to SA - otherwise they will just go through US. A good opportunity for YVR.

AC has been unusually commenting on a lot of airport development affairs. When YEG welcomed Icelandair, there was a lot of comments on that and indirectly connecting the YEG-RKV route as a justification of AC cancelling its YEG-LHR service.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by deasine

AC has been unusually commenting on a lot of airport development affairs. When YEG welcomed Icelandair, there was a lot of comments on that and indirectly connecting the YEG-RKV route as a justification of AC cancelling its YEG-LHR service.

And really talking up its new commercial agreement with GTAA to develop YYZ into an even bigger global hub.

AC already hubs a lot of South America - Asia traffic through YYZ. One of the contributing factors YYZ has caught up to / surpassed YVR on the AC Asian routes in terms of capacity.