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Old Posted Sep 14, 2012, 9:25 PM
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Me too. I hope the landscaping comes with the bridge.

I'm all for this design also... it also has a few similar qualities to the original bridge. HNTB's looks almost angelic with its heavenly-looking features
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 14, 2012, 9:54 PM
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The HTNB proposal was always my first favorite, but these additional renderings cement that for me. Though I would take the Parsons Brinckerhoff one in a pinch as well. The AECOM proposal is just ugly to me.
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Also count me in as a fan of HNTB's design.

Walking by the site for the second Apex tower, I noticed this machine.



Is this something new, or has it been there for a while and I've just failed to notice?
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 14, 2012, 10:40 PM
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^ Been there for a while; probably helps with touch-ups on the existing building. Don't expect a major groundbreaking at the north side of Apex. The north tower is essentially dead.
     
     
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I'm all for this design also... it also has a few similar qualities to the original bridge. HNTB's looks almost angelic with its heavenly-looking features
i love how you can climb the arches, i hope they choose this design
     
     
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Thanks to our great friend Blackcat for an update on the Marriott =D


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Some pictures I took of the progress as of today.







Nearly the entire lot is up to ground level, with the core climbing higher.
     
     
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Thanks Mojeda/Blackcat

Really is coming on fast.

Scheduled for Spring 2014 opening, looks like might well be on schedule.
     
     
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This thread is to discuss development projects in downtown Los Angeles. If you are not sure if your post directly relates to a project do not post it.
colemonkee, I can think of many times through the yrs of being disappointed when too many posts in this thread to me were like something out of a course in urban affairs 101 or urban transit 101. So, yes, as far as I've been concerned, plenty of instances when comments have ended up 'off topic'...while the subj of new devlpt in DTLA got lost in the shuffle. Urban affairs 101 or urban transit 101 is interesting to some ppl, less fascinating to me. But ymmv. I'm the first to always prefer postings that pertain to new devlpt in the hood & ongoing changes to it, esp pics that show that.

It's interesting that you mention certain things that shouldn't be discussed here, & yet mojeda's recent pics.....which I appreciate....capture some of the very exact things you say don't pertain to new devlpt..... One might just as well say that the topic of new devlpt in dtla shouldn't include any mention of cars or pedestrians.

as for what falls within THE topic of this thread, the downtownnews.com page has a listing of new devlpt in dt. the projs that stood out to me were the ones that listed a specific groundbreaking schedule or that I've been wondering about for a loong time.

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A groundbreaking is scheduled for this month for developer G.H. Palmer Associates' 630-apartment complex in City West, said company owner Geoff Palmer. The development is rising at the corner of Fremont and Temple streets on a 193,000-square-feet lot that Palmer purchased in 2004. Plans call for a 578,172-square-foot complex with five floors of housing above three levels of parking, along with 8,200 square feet of street-front retail. The style will be similar to Palmer's other Italian-inspired apartment complexes in Downtown.
that location is near the new civic ctr pk & water & power bldg, surrounded on two sides by the fwy....


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^ It's interesting how that devlpr has built several large new apt bldgs very close to or right next to fwys.....there have been some studies that show exposure to auto exhaust can lead to major health problems.....the devlpr GH palmer should be relived our cars are cleaner today than in the past.

Ppl complain about his faux euro bldgs, with their vegasy features, but he has added more new housing to the hood than just about anyone else. So there apparently are enough buyers or renters for his type of product. however, I do wish he wouldn't keep cloning his bldgs over & over, or using a copier machine for the design of all his apt projs.


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San Francisco-based Farmel Partners in June bought a three-acre Downtown site from developer Sonny Astani. The property at Eight Street and Grand Avenue is slated to hold a 700-unit apartment complex. Astani had designed and entitled the project, which he said was sold for $63 million. Carmel Partners' plan for the development at Eight Street and Grand Avenue is uncertain, but Astani said that construction would start this year. The project, which Astani had dubbed Angelena, would include 36,000 square feet of ground-floor retail. Carmel did not return calls for comment.
this proj is one of the most important in the hood since it would cover one of the largest, most parking lots in dt. I don't like the sound of "Carmel did not return calls for comment". so does that mean the scheduled groundbreaking is....yrs & yrs into the future?! Was Astani just showing wishful thinking when he made it sound like the new owner of his former proj was going to stick to a fast time table? I hope not.



And won't this old bldg need far more than a simple power washing?! From what I could see last wk, there are some damaged or broken parts of the outer wall of the clark. I don't think even the best cleaning will conceal that....

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The Hotel Clark could return to life by the end of the year, said Elizabeth Petersen, a project representative. Interior work on the 11-story building at 426 S. Hill St. owned by the Chetrit Group has been completed and the structure is slated to become a 347-room hotel with three restaurants. It would also hold an 11,500-square-foot banquet space. Officials are seeking some city permits, and once those are acquired the building's facade will be power washed in preparation for the opening. New York's King & Grove Hotels is slated to operate the establishment. The building just north of Persing Square is one of three large vacant Downtown properties owned by the Chetrit Group.


now here's something that I haven't read about anywhere in the media, or had the faintest idea about til I visited this website. So the devlpr of the huge apt bldgs that ppl....esp urbanists....feel about is planning to build 600 units across from the future Ace hotel, & almost catercorner to the classic Eastern columbia condo bldg!!? It's listed as having a completion date 5 yrs from today, in 2017, so maybe that's why it's not on anyone's radar.


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so expect more of this across from the old UA theater bldg, or near the water & power bldg..... ....


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I'm all for this design also... it also has a few similar qualities to the original bridge. HNTB's looks almost angelic with its heavenly-looking features
It's just so sculptural...I absolutely love it. Nothing I would change. Its form, how it looks from all angles, the fact that the staircases ascend up some of the arches, and descend near the water in the middle of the span...it's all perfect.

I am worried about cost though...supposedly this is a $400 million project. Can anyone see the HNTB proposal getting built for less than $1 billion? That's a lot of concrete.
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now here's something that I haven't read about anywhere in the media, or had the faintest idea about til I visited this website. So the devlpr of the huge apt bldgs that ppl....esp urbanists....feel about is planning to build 600 units across from the future Ace hotel, & almost catercorner to the classic Eastern columbia condo bldg!!? It's listed as having a completion date 5 yrs from today, in 2017, so maybe that's why it's not on anyone's radar.


maps.google.com

so expect more of this across from the old UA theater bldg, or near the water & power bldg..... ....

Noooooooo
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2012, 6:55 PM
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I hold my tounge when this guy puts Tuscan crap on the perimeter, but if he puts in in the heart of downtown then he must be stopped. Id rather have the most boring box there than Orsini 2.
     
     
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Besides the crappy design. Its way to short for the area. People seem to tolerate it now but in the future the demand is going to be stronger for highrises and there will be no space left downtown.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2012, 8:24 PM
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I hold my tounge when this guy puts Tuscan crap on the perimeter, but if he puts in in the heart of downtown then he must be stopped. Id rather have the most boring box there than Orsini 2.
I don't know if anyone remembers, but a while back, many years ago, he had plans to put up, and I quote, a 'glass and steel tower' of about 50 stories. While that project fell through due to the recession, it shows that he does have the capability to produce something that isn't so.... fauxtalian. Hopefully.
     
     
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If you go through the photos of the three bridge designs provided by Curbed LA, and then look at a photo of the HNTB bridge dead ahead/not angled, the HNTB bridge looks like something out of a kiddie cartoon:

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2012/09/he...ists_for_the_new_sixth_street_bridge.php

Going to the Parson's design, I think its far more interesting and futurisitic looking........esp. the central pedestrian way which looks to be wide enough to have vendors selling stuff way. I like it best. Aecom is just okay.....looks kind of generic.
     
     
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AECOM and Parsons don't have a lot going on. The Parsons design especially seems to only have the angel wings aesthetic feature along a seemingly small portion of the bridge. HNTB on the other hand integrates well with the ground level proposed green areas, still has the angel wings iconography, has reminders of the old bridge, and has design features along the entire length. I live it a lot.
     
     
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It's just so sculptural...I absolutely love it. Nothing I would change. Its form, how it looks from all angles, the fact that the staircases ascend up some of the arches, and descend near the water in the middle of the span...it's all perfect.

I am worried about cost though...supposedly this is a $400 million project. Can anyone see the HNTB proposal getting built for less than $1 billion? That's a lot of concrete.
I am telling you, DD, you have to look at it straight at the bridge's side.........from that perspective, it looks cartoonish.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2012, 10:32 PM
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AECOM and Parsons don't have a lot going on. The Parsons design especially seems to only have the angel wings aesthetic feature along a seemingly small portion of the bridge. HNTB on the other hand integrates well with the ground level proposed green areas, still has the angel wings iconography, has reminders of the old bridge, and has design features along the entire length. I live it a lot.
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Old Posted Sep 15, 2012, 10:35 PM
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That is such a hot mess. I don't see how anyone thinks its good looking.
     
     
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I don't see "kiddie cartoon" in any of those renderings. Are you referring to #3?

Parsons is nice, but like StethJeff said, it doesn't have much going on outside of the stretch crossing the LA River. It's definitely more "futuristic" looking, but it doesn't have HNTB's transformative drama.
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Having Palmer erect his Medici-style apartments on those two lots in the center of DTLA would be devastating to the pedestrian connections and just be visually disappointing. This is not good people...
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