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Old Posted Nov 14, 2017, 9:18 PM
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We know that there is a better way to do this. In 1972, the Brooks Act was implemented in the United States. For 45 years, it has been illegal to use price in scoring RFPs in all federal government procurement, across 49 of 50 U.S. states and hundreds of municipalities. The track record for quality in procurement is well known, and well documented.
Treasury Board has made a recent change to some big RFPs, where the scoring is now 90% technical and 10% price. The new problem is that this has turned procurement upside down, with the traditional perennial winners on price being now unable to compete with superior technical solutions.

https://buyandsell.gc.ca/policy-and-guidelines/supply-manual/section/5

And to complicate matters, contract bidders that bring a lot to the table are in short supply, because bidders never had to compete on technical aspects before. Add to that a huge backlog of work, it means there aren't enough good firms that can actually deliver the goods. In time, this will improve, but it's a 180 degree turn on the lowest-price-wins mentality and could take years that we don't have.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2017, 5:59 PM
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Wrap of Ottawa building under construction cost federal government $555K
Though there are costs attached to being the capital, expenditures like this raise questions in other parts of the country, said the director of The Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

By: Ryan Tumilty, Metro
Published on Tue Nov 14 2017




A plastic wrap around a downtown office building cost the federal government $555,000.

The Canadian Taxpayers Federation discovered through access to information, that the Public Services and Procurement Canada spent $555,272.10 on the wrap of the Postal B building on Sparks Street at the corner of Elgin Street.

Aaron Wudrick, the federation’s director, said they passed the giant building wrap on a regular basis and simply wondered what it might have cost.

“It was a classic case of we were walking by, down the street and thinking I wonder what that cost.”

He said they were pretty stunned by the number.

“It’s half a million dollars just to cover up a building basically.”

The majority of the cost was for installation of the wrap around the structure, which cost $330,409.91. That price also includes removal.

Design work for the wrap cost $82,520 and creating it cost $110,730.30.

Mayor Jim Watson has previously called for the government to do a similar wrap around Parliament’s Centre Block when that building goes under construction next year, for what could be more than a decade of work.

Watson said he would like to see the government do a wrap around the scaffolding with an image of Centre Block, so tourists could continue to get that iconic Ottawa photo.

Wudrick said given how much this one wrap cost, he can’t see justifying the expense for Centre Block.

“People who come to see Parliament come to see the building, they don’t come to see a picture of the building,” he said.

He said there are expenses that go into being a capital that are unavoidable, but things like this make people in other parts of the country question the expense.

“They wouldn’t imagine that it cost $500,000 to throw essentially a coloured sheet over a building.”

Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) spokesperson Pierre-Alain Bujold said the decision to use a branded tarp was based on concern from the National Capital Commission, City of Ottawa and Sparks Street Business and it might have a second life.

"PSPC is exploring options to reuse the tarp once construction is completed. We are looking for ways to partner with community-based organizations."

He said the tarp was needed and even a plain white one would have cost over $200,000.

He said no decisions have been made on Centre Block.

"PSPC is working with their partners to develop and consider options to engage visitors and Canadians during the rehabilitation work and to maintain a positive visitor experience for the millions who come to Parliament Hill annually."

http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/2017...uction-cost-federal-government-555k.html
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2017, 6:35 PM
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The CTF could atleast put in a little bit of effort and compare the costs to other tarps across the world.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2017, 7:28 PM
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"PSPC is exploring options to reuse the tarp once construction is completed. We are looking for ways to partner with community-based organizations."

Yeah. The Canada 150 theme will be in huge demand.
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I bet that wrap will fit nicely on so many other Ottawa buildings...
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I think the government gets screwed over and overpays for everything (or gets overcharged bc, well, theyre the government... theyll pay right?). It's the same thing when a white tourist goes to India or Asia for example, locals
know the tourist has money, so prices are significantly higher for them.

In this example, $110K for the cost of the tarp? Not an expert, so that might be possible.

But $330K for the installation? This can't have taken more than let's say 10 guys a couple of days? I don't see how it can be that much.

Finally, $82K for the design of the tarp? This looks like something a designer could've whipped up in a half day on photoshop or whatnot, how can this cost so much? I feel like they could've shopped around and awarded it to one design firm for a flat $10K fee or something.

Anyways, rant over...
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Yeah, that design cost sounds problematic.
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Yeah, that design cost sounds problematic.
Not if you consider email chain and myriads of meetings between all parties it went though. They probably started working on it 5 years or so in advance.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2017, 11:50 PM
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Not if you consider email chain and myriads of meetings between all parties it went though. They probably started working on it 5 years or so in advance.
the canada 150 logo was unveiled in 2015 so i certainly hope they weren't designing the wrap 3 years before it, with it in mind.
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2017, 3:29 AM
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Finally, $82K for the design of the tarp? This looks like something a designer could've whipped up in a half day on photoshop or whatnot, how can this cost so much? I feel like they could've shopped around and awarded it to one design firm for a flat $10K fee or something.

Anyways, rant over...
The design probably included more than the graphics ; it likely also included the design of the scaffolding and how the tarps would attach to it.
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A 6 storey mixed-use building is being proposed at 386 Richmond. The proposed uses include at-grade commercial, second floor office, and four floors of residential, containing a total of 16 dwelling units. No parking is proposed.

Renders: http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%...2017-11-16_Renderings_D07-12-17-0134.PDF

Planning Rationale:http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%...ing%20Rationale%20-%20D07-12-17-0134.PDF
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The City of Ottawa has received a Site Plan Control application and a Zoning Bylaw Amendment application to facilitate the construction of a new five-storey self-storage facility with retail at grade and associated surface parking at 851 Industrial. The applicant is Dymon Storage.

Renders: http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%...0-%20Elevations%20-%20D07-12-17-0133.PDF

Planning Rationale: http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%...ing%20Rationale%20-%20D07-12-17-0133.PDF
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A 6 storey mixed-use building is being proposed at 386 Richmond. The proposed uses include at-grade commercial, second floor office, and four floors of residential, containing a total of 16 dwelling units. No parking is proposed.

Renders: http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%...2017-11-16_Renderings_D07-12-17-0134.PDF

Planning Rationale:http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%...ing%20Rationale%20-%20D07-12-17-0134.PDF
The property, which had been a tailors shop until recently, was sold in June 2017 for $2.4 million on a 33 x 112 lot. Crazy money.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2017, 1:03 AM
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A 6 storey mixed-use building is being proposed at 386 Richmond. The proposed uses include at-grade commercial, second floor office, and four floors of residential, containing a total of 16 dwelling units. No parking is proposed.

Renders: http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%...2017-11-16_Renderings_D07-12-17-0134.PDF

Planning Rationale:http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%...ing%20Rationale%20-%20D07-12-17-0134.PDF
New thread started over here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=230811
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2017, 1:17 AM
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The City of Ottawa has received a Site Plan Control application and a Zoning Bylaw Amendment application to facilitate the construction of a new five-storey self-storage facility with retail at grade and associated surface parking at 851 Industrial. The applicant is Dymon Storage.

Renders: http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%...0-%20Elevations%20-%20D07-12-17-0133.PDF

Planning Rationale: http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%...ing%20Rationale%20-%20D07-12-17-0133.PDF
New thread started over here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=230812
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Anyone know what's going on with Place du Portage I? The roof looks like it's being reclad to a darker colour.. or maybe it's always been darker and I just haven't noticed..
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Wow, really surprised to see Metro on the list. That is very disappointing.
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No flash geoottawa

Anyone know if there is a non-flash version of geo-Ottawa?
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Old Posted Nov 28, 2017, 11:06 PM
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That is some sketchy ass deal right there. According to the Citizen, the companies had no idea about each others plans for the papers once they were transferred, yet they both announced the shut down of nearly all of them the very same day and fired everyone instantly.

Funny to how only two Metros that were transferred, Ottawa and Winnipeg, both of them shut down. The rest of them? Still printing.
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