SAN FRANCISCO | Projects: Under Construction, Approved, and Proposed

[jg6544]

Originally Posted by IMBY

Come on now! Let's not go overboard and Bloomberg-ize San Francisco. Try to imagine what San Francisco would be like today with 3 mayoral terms of the likes of Bloomberg!!! Angel Island would have become the Riker's Island to stash all the homeless? NYC has become nothing more than an antiseptic San Diego of the East Coast! Good grief! They even sterilized Harlem!

I was just up in SF last week, staying in a more colorful, interesting part of SF, Larkin/Geary at the Motel 6. No need for a TV in my room, I was entertained enough watching the foot traffic from the 3rd floor balcony overlooking Larkin!

Leaving SF, I decided to stop at the 16th/Mission Bart stop, just to take a peek at that slice of SF! OMG! It was like walking into Tijuana! Loved it, loved it, loved it! Could hardly drag myself away from that 2-story Thrift Town thrift store, particularly the used book section!

I say, let's leave the seedier areas of SF intact, keep SF a widely diverse city and not take the NYC route!

I pray the new mayor of NYC brings some much-needed seediness back to that city!

Second the motion! Although they could do to keep the streets better-swept, I like the diversity of San Francisco and would be delighted to see the "yuppification" brought to a dead, screeching halt.

[BushMan]

Originally Posted by jg6544

Perhaps you'd be happier in Dallas, Atlanta, or somewhere like that.

Nope, I love San Francisco! (thanks for the unsolicited suggestions, though).

I'm staying put, especially since The City should continue to gentrify nicely!

[jbm]

now that NEMA is closer to completion, it looks like they are about to start work on 1400 mission. a new fence has been put up around the lot, and street parking along mission is blocked off until March.

[POLA]

Originally Posted by jg6544

Perhaps you'd be happier in Dallas, Atlanta, or somewhere like that.

What's wrong with Atlanta? Dallas, I get, but come one.... Hotlanta isn't some conservative, backwards, banal place... That's Georgia.

[Ant131531]

Originally Posted by jg6544

Perhaps you'd be happier in Dallas, Atlanta, or somewhere like that.

Atlanta probably has the most homeless out of any city in the South easily. It's far from being clean. We have our own 'Tinderlion' areas within our core itself.

[coyotetrickster]

Originally Posted by Ant131531

Atlanta probably has the most homeless out of any city in the South easily. It's far from being clean. We have our own 'Tinderlion' areas within our core itself.

Having lived in Atlanta for many years, I can assure you the city has nothing like the Tenderloin.

[Ant131531]

Originally Posted by coyotetrickster

Having lived in Atlanta for many years, I can assure you the city has nothing like the Tenderloin.

Pine Street/Peachtree St. intersection? Five Points Station and South Downtown? Those aren't exactly places people want to hang out at after dark lol... For such a cheap city, it's surprising that Atlanta has such a large homeless population(~6100 in the metro).

[minesweeper]

Originally Posted by jbm

now that NEMA is closer to completion, it looks like they are about to start work on 1400 mission. a new fence has been put up around the lot, and street parking along mission is blocked off until March.

If both 1400 and 1415 Mission get going, that's going to be an incredible transformation for a 1+ block stretch of Tenth Street. From parking lots and rubble in 2012 to almost 1100 new housing units by 2015.

[jg6544]

Originally Posted by POLA

What's wrong with Atlanta? Dallas, I get, but come one.... Hotlanta isn't some conservative, backwards, banal place... That's Georgia.

Nothing is wrong with either city, if your preference is for bland suburbs with a lot of tall buildings in the middle.

What makes The City a city is its diversity - economic and racial - and it has an actual downtown that doesn't empty out after work. It has decent public transportation; it's compact; it has world-class cultural attractions. If it turns into Menlo Park with highrises, that will be very sad.

[Jerry of San Fran]

JBM - thanks for the update. Here is a picture that I took today, Saturday 10/12/13 of 1400 and 1415 Mission Street from my apartment. You can see a guy marking the asphalt in red paint at 1400 Mission St. I'm surprised that both projects are happening so fast! I will see 2 cranes probably later this year. Those folks that just moved into the new highrise next door had better be prepared for a lot of lights, dust and noise for the next 12 months and enjoy the view from the 2nd to the 12th floor before it disappears.


1400 & 1415 Mission Street - 2013_10_12 by Apollo's Light, on Flickr

[simms3_redux]

Originally Posted by Ant131531

Pine Street/Peachtree St. intersection? Five Points Station and South Downtown? Those aren't exactly places people want to hang out at after dark lol... For such a cheap city, it's surprising that Atlanta has such a large homeless population(~6100 in the metro).

Agreeing with Coyotetrickster and also having lived in Atlanta for many years, there are no comparisons between the two cities. Pine St homeless shelter is the biggest calamity and crime to the city I've ever heard of, but it is 1 block. 5 Points and the 1, maybe 2 blocks south, is the south's version of Fulton St in Brooklyn - it's simply an area filled with welfare recipients who just hang out all day, and their families who shop at Foot Locker or "the Under ground". Maybe a hoodlum or pimp every so often, a few homeless, and a few working professionals who may have to begrudgingly go down there to pay a visit to the courthouse/jury duty. It empties out at night and basically nobody lives down there. Diverse it is not (TL actually has ethnic enclaves within it and around it, and the poor/homeless there aren't all one race).

Atlanta has 6,100 homeless in its sprawled metro? The tiny City of SF has 7,000-10,000 by itself, mostly concentrated in the 'Loin, not to mention the TL has 70,000++ people living per square mile in SRO's, the largest concentration of SRO's in America. These don't exist in Atlanta.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_room_occupancy

Visit the recent Tenderloin thread in "My Photos" for pictures of one if you are unclear on what they are. I love the Tenderloin and join others in opining that some of the city's best bars are there, so unlike 5 Points in Atlanta, there is reason for working professionals to visit the grimiest part of the city.

Back to this discussion, I am happy that developers who put up these super elite condos must pay towards the development of affordable housing/senior housing in the city. Some of the best projects going up nowadays are these 10-20 story housing projects going up, such as Mercy Housing's newest project now halfway up right in the Tenderloin at Golden Gate and Jones.

There is that housing project going up near me on Broadway between North Beach and Jackson Square...no fast progress yet, though I have a good view of the crane from my building's 23rd floor roof.

[Ant131531]

Originally Posted by simms3_redux

Agreeing with Coyotetrickster and also having lived in Atlanta for many years, there are no comparisons between the two cities. Pine St homeless shelter is the biggest calamity and crime to the city I've ever heard of, but it is 1 block. 5 Points and the 1, maybe 2 blocks south, is the south's version of Fulton St in Brooklyn - it's simply an area filled with welfare recipients who just hang out all day, and their families who shop at Foot Locker or "the Under ground". Maybe a hoodlum or pimp every so often, a few homeless, and a few working professionals who may have to begrudgingly go down there to pay a visit to the courthouse/jury duty. It empties out at night and basically nobody lives down there. Diverse it is not (TL actually has ethnic enclaves within it and around it, and the poor/homeless there aren't all one race).

Atlanta has 6,100 homeless in its sprawled metro? The tiny City of SF has 7,000-10,000 by itself, mostly concentrated in the 'Loin, not to mention the TL has 70,000++ people living per square mile in SRO's, the largest concentration of SRO's in America. These don't exist in Atlanta.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_room_occupancy

Visit the recent Tenderloin thread in "My Photos" for pictures of one if you are unclear on what they are. I love the Tenderloin and join others in opining that some of the city's best bars are there, so unlike 5 Points in Atlanta, there is reason for working professionals to visit the grimiest part of the city.

Back to this discussion, I am happy that developers who put up these super elite condos must pay towards the development of affordable housing/senior housing in the city. Some of the best projects going up nowadays are these 10-20 story housing projects going up, such as Mercy Housing's newest project now halfway up right in the Tenderloin at Golden Gate and Jones.

There is that housing project going up near me on Broadway between North Beach and Jackson Square...no fast progress yet, though I have a good view of the crane from my building's 23rd floor roof.

Oh I definitely know that Atlanta is nowhere near as compact and bustling as SF is. That's not even a discussion. I'll be looking at your pictures and I'm visiting SF this winter! So excited!

[simms3_redux]

^^^Not my photos as in I took them, the "My Photos" section. They are someone else's collection.

[llamaorama]

In my mind what separates a truly "big" city, amongst other simply "major" cities, is having multiple hives of activity.

In a city like SF, does it really matter if one little area is dirty out of a massive expensive metropolis? If you gentrified it where would the stuff in the Tenderloin or Mission go?

I guess it would be worse for Atlanta, for exactly the opposite reasons, the skid row is blighting a large part of a small downtown and quality urban districts are very scarce.

[fflint]

Okay, guys, let's get this thread back on topic.

[JG573]

Originally Posted by IMBY

Come on now! Let's not go overboard and Bloomberg-ize San Francisco. Try to imagine what San Francisco would be like today with 3 mayoral terms of the likes of Bloomberg!!! Angel Island would have become the Riker's Island to stash all the homeless? NYC has become nothing more than an antiseptic San Diego of the East Coast! Good grief! They even sterilized Harlem!

I was just up in SF last week, staying in a more colorful, interesting part of SF, Larkin/Geary at the Motel 6. No need for a TV in my room, I was entertained enough watching the foot traffic from the 3rd floor balcony overlooking Larkin!

Leaving SF, I decided to stop at the 16th/Mission Bart stop, just to take a peek at that slice of SF! OMG! It was like walking into Tijuana! Loved it, loved it, loved it! Could hardly drag myself away from that 2-story Thrift Town thrift store, particularly the used book section!

I say, let's leave the seedier areas of SF intact, keep SF a widely diverse city and not take the NYC route!

I pray the new mayor of NYC brings some much-needed seediness back to that city!

You went full hipster in this post.

[viewguysf]

Looking like a ghost building that is strangely out of place...

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Stripped 100 Van Ness by viewguysf, on Flickr[/IMG]

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SE bottom side of 100 Van Ness by viewguysf, on Flickr[/IMG]

[coyotetrickster]

Originally Posted by SF born and RAISED

Prop B is sponsored by Open Up the Waterfront. Prop C. is supported by the same group and many of the same people. Don't know exactly who or what group sponsors that one though.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/art...-in-debate-over-8-Washington-4889257.php

This is an excellent column about the wealthy couple who's views will be blocked by the development. Prop C has nothing to do with a Wall on the Waterfront. 8 Washington went through all the appropriate approvals, including the board of supervisors.
City Planning should not be done by ballot box. Voting yes on C will allow the project to proceed. Vote yes on C and B.

[coyotetrickster]

Originally Posted by JG573

You went full hipster in this post.

I'm so glad you find human misery exciting as part of your tourist experience.

[JG573]

Originally Posted by coyotetrickster

I'm so glad you find human misery exciting as part of your tourist experience.

I think you quoted the wrong person. I think you meant to respond to the person I quoted.