Winnipeg Construction X - Page 26

Biff · #**501** Posted **Aug 7, 2019, 1:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by tree

Yes definitely meant 8 my bad.
When you're referring to a functional plan from Perimeter to 230 - do you mean 9 or 8? Because on Hwy 8 I think it is already 4 lanes from perimeter up to 230 no?

Hwy 8 for the Functional Plan. The upgrades would consist of intersection improvements, shoulder construction and pavement repairs/replacement.

Hwy 9 is currently in design.

CoryB · #**502** Posted **Aug 7, 2019, 2:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

There should be a functional design out sometime in the next year from the Perimeter to 230 (the St Andrews Airport).

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There are currently no medium term plans to upgrade 8 past St Andrews.

The challenge is HWY 8 is already twinned to just past 230, it is the rest of the route that is a major issue.

A potential "quick" solution might be to make say HWY 8 "north only" and HWY 9 "south only" from May long weekend until the Tuesday after Labour Day. It isn't perfect but would have a similar effect to twinning one of the routes.

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Originally Posted by Labroco

I think the City of Winnipeg Planning Department should move into BMO.

Only place the City of Winnipeg Planning Department should be moving to is the vacant office tower us taxpayers already own (aka the old Canada Post office tower).

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Anyone know what is going on with the former car dealership on Portage Ave near U of W? After the demo happened they started digging a massive hole. Clearly some sort of project is happening there as you do not take on that level of activity without a plan or a permit.

optimusREIM · #**503** Posted **Aug 7, 2019, 2:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by headhorse

bring back the train and add a cycle path along it instead. the amount of cars in places like gimli is ruining the charm

Agreed. A weekender rail service would be amazing for starters. I bet that the area would be incredibly popular with commuters too if you could grab a train from gimli to union station. Could stop in Winnipeg Beach and Selkirk and a couple other spots along the way.

joshlemer · #**504** Posted **Aug 7, 2019, 4:09 PM**

New "Community Crossing" at Notre Dame and Balmoral opened up the other day.

Google Maps: https://www.google.com/maps/@49.8990...7i13312!8i6656

Interview with the project coordinator Jenna Atkinson: https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1742096

GarryEllice · #**505** Posted **Aug 7, 2019, 4:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by optimusREIM

Agreed. A weekender rail service would be amazing for starters. I bet that the area would be incredibly popular with commuters too if you could grab a train from gimli to union station. Could stop in Winnipeg Beach and Selkirk and a couple other spots along the way.

Weekend rail service to the lake would be wonderful, but the line to Gimli is a CP line, and at the Winnipeg end it feeds into the Higgins railyards (and originally the former CP station on Higgins). There is literally no way to get to Union Station short of some complicated maneuvers down in Windsor Park. The only option for downtown service would be to build a station at Main & Higgins, which is obviously not going to happen.

Terminating it at McPhillips by the casino could work though. Still a reasonably accessible location. Could just add a short siding and a basic platform.

bomberjet · #**506** Posted **Aug 7, 2019, 4:13 PM**

What's supposed to happen with Hwy 8 and 9 is 230 would become a 4 lane freeway. Connecting to hwy 8 in the south and hwy 9 bypass at selkirk in the north. It forms a loop using the Hwy 4 bridge in the north to get over to 59 then back down to 101. There is a functional plan of this sort posted on the MI website. From a study done a long time ago. Yes I know there are lots of people living on 230 now. But something similar is still possible. Looks to be a corridor of some sort just west of 230.

headhorse · #**507** Posted **Aug 7, 2019, 4:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by GarryEllice

Weekend rail service to the lake would be wonderful, but the line to Gimli is a CP line, and at the Winnipeg end it feeds into the Higgins railyards (and originally the former CP station on Higgins). There is literally no way to get to Union Station short of some complicated maneuvers down in Windsor Park. The only option for downtown service would be to build a station at Main & Higgins, which is obviously not going to happen.

Terminating it at McPhillips by the casino could work though. Still a reasonably accessible location. Could just add a short siding and a basic platform.

honestly, bringing back inter-city trains to CP station on Higgins should be the long term plan, with Union Station and some CN corridors reserved for local transit. the CP lines make much more sense for eventual high frequency (and hopefully speed) trains as we move back to that form of long distance travel over planes.

optimusREIM · #**508** Posted **Aug 7, 2019, 5:07 PM**

I had totally forgotten about the Higgins Station but now that you mention it that sounds way better. That could be the hub to switch between local and regional transit lines with Union being the nexus of the local RT system like you're suggesting. I do think that at some point to make the system more user friendly it would be necessary to directly connect the two stations though. I think we need to get over our phobia of proper transit and just allow ourselves to build a tunnel or two. If we make that decision, the hardest work is done then it just becomes an engineering problem.

GarryEllice · #**509** Posted **Aug 7, 2019, 5:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by optimusREIM

I had totally forgotten about the Higgins Station but now that you mention it that sounds way better. That could be the hub to switch between local and regional transit lines with Union being the nexus of the local RT system like you're suggesting. I do think that at some point to make the system more user friendly it would be necessary to directly connect the two stations though. I think we need to get over our phobia of proper transit and just allow ourselves to build a tunnel or two. If we make that decision, the hardest work is done then it just becomes an engineering problem.

Winnipeg's rail lines are not particularly well-located to serve as local rapid transit. They mostly run through industrial areas and are quite distant from the places that people actually want to go to. Sure we could have a really fast transit line that runs along the CN mainline south of Taylor, but who would actually be riding the trains? The natural transit corridor in that area is Grant Avenue. Same for Regent Ave versus the CN mainline to its south, and Notre Dame versus the CP mainline, and McPhillips versus the CP Winnipeg Beach line, and so on. (There are a couple of exceptions where the rail line is well-located for transit, most notably the CN Letellier sub parallel to Pembina.)

As for downtown, Union Station and the CPR station on Higgins are not very convenient for the major destinations (P&M, the arena, UofW), as they are both located on the periphery of the downtown area.

Light rail in the medians of major arterials, feeding into a short tunnel network downtown, would be a far more effective transit solution for Winnipeg.

bomberjet · #**510** Posted **Aug 7, 2019, 5:49 PM**

http://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/DMIS/perm...(RM)ETC-14.pdf

Valley gardens CC is trying to build a new 2 sheet ice rink, gym, ball diamonds, etc. Would be awesome for the community. Would include closing Terry Sawchuk Arena and possibly River East arena. Relocate Munroe library to the site.

optimusREIM · #**511** Posted **Aug 7, 2019, 6:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by GarryEllice

Winnipeg's rail lines are not particularly well-located to serve as local rapid transit. They mostly run through industrial areas and are quite distant from the places that people actually want to go to. Sure we could have a really fast transit line that runs along the CN mainline south of Taylor, but who would actually be riding the trains? The natural transit corridor in that area is Grant Avenue. Same for Regent Ave versus the CN mainline to its south, and Notre Dame versus the CP mainline, and McPhillips versus the CP Winnipeg Beach line, and so on. (There are a couple of exceptions where the rail line is well-located for transit, most notably the CN Letellier sub parallel to Pembina.)

As for downtown, Union Station and the CPR station on Higgins are not very convenient for the major destinations (P&M, the arena, UofW), as they are both located on the periphery of the downtown area.

Light rail in the medians of major arterials, feeding into a short tunnel network downtown, would be a far more effective transit solution for Winnipeg.

Some rail corridors would be perfectly useable as transit corridors. But that isn't what I'm advocating at all really. My point is that these two stations should have a major role to play in RT networks. If you have a look at Google Maps you can also see that a rail connection to the airport would be really easy to do in terms of ROWs especially if you locate the DT terminus at the Higgins CP station. These existing corridors aren't always useful but some of them certainly should be looked at for transit.

GarryEllice · #**512** Posted **Aug 7, 2019, 7:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by optimusREIM

Some rail corridors would be perfectly useable as transit corridors. But that isn't what I'm advocating at all really. My point is that these two stations should have a major role to play in RT networks. If you have a look at Google Maps you can also see that a rail connection to the airport would be really easy to do in terms of ROWs especially if you locate the DT terminus at the Higgins CP station. These existing corridors aren't always useful but some of them certainly should be looked at for transit.

That's a good example of how the rail lines are not well suited to local transit. A line from the CPR station on Higgins to the airport via the CP railyards wouldn't really serve anything in between, skipping over major destinations such as the HSC and RRC, and it also wouldn't connect very well to downtown. Most of our rail lines would be similarly flawed as transit lines. Unfortunately I don't think our rail network has much promise as a future RT network, as nice as the idea seems in the abstract.

buzzg · #**513** Posted **Aug 8, 2019, 4:11 PM**

Notre Dame is the perfect street for a NW (Downtown to Airport/RRC) transit route. It's already quite large for most of the way, looping through RRC then Airport and back would be great.

Or in the short term, before any sort of full RT line is developed, if there's a desire or need (I'd imagine there is) for a better connection between RRC/Airport and downtown, make a new bus route that only goes one way: NW on Notre Dame from downtown to RRC/Airport and then back on Ellice, Sargeant or St. Matthews (or even Portage). An "Airport Express" route. Focus would be on getting people from Airport to Downtown as quickly as possible, and vice versa. Wouldn't really need it to run both ways on a loop. This would allow for pretty easy development of a diamond lane if you only need it in one direction.

GarryEllice · #**514** Posted **Aug 8, 2019, 4:25 PM**

^ I'm feeling guilty for cluttering up the construction thread with all this hypothetical transit discussion, so I'm gonna reply to this in the transit thread to try to move the discussion over there.

buzzg · #**515** Posted **Aug 8, 2019, 6:06 PM**

Side note I LOVE the "West End" font treatment at that park and if there were money for a rebrand for that BIZ, I'd love to see it all over the area.

robertocarlos · #**516** Posted **Aug 8, 2019, 6:32 PM**

Have you ever taken the 20 from downtown to the airport? It is torture.

Edit: Sorry wrong forum.

I am going to visit that park on Notre Dame. Looks like a nice park.

1ajs · #**517** Posted **Aug 9, 2019, 2:38 AM**

with the rail lines in northern mb maybe the aborigonal center should bring back rail service acccess

1ajs · #**518** Posted **Aug 9, 2019, 2:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by robertocarlos

Have you ever taken the 20 from downtown to the airport? It is torture.

Edit: Sorry wrong forum.

I am going to visit that park on Notre Dame. Looks like a nice park.

while ur at it check out the new one on ross to just off princess

buzzg · #**519** Posted **Aug 9, 2019, 4:42 AM**

A couple weeks ago the city cut all the boulevard trees down on St. Mary's from the Norwood Bridge to Eugenie – anyone know why? They weren't dead or marked as infected.

Are they perhaps planning on filling them in and repaving the sidewalks to make them proper shared AT paths, as Eugenie is the E-W bike corridor through Norwood? If so they need to move the garbage bin in the middle of the sidewalk in front of Santa Lucia too.

Wpg_Guy · #**520** Posted **Aug 9, 2019, 6:35 AM**

Not sure who the buyer was, but Sunrex has sold 190 Smith and it's parking lot, hopefully we will see that lot developed in the future.

Capital Commercial Investment Services is pleased to announce the sale of Antares Luxury Suites, a 24 storey high rise multifamily asset located at 190 Smith Street in Winnipeg, Manitoba. The asset is comprised of 316 residential units, approximately 11,000 square feet of main floor commercial space, a four-floor covered parking podium and additional land currently being used for surface parking. The overall transaction presented an excellent opportunity to acquire scale in Winnipeg’s growing Downtown area.