Phoenix | Central Station Towers 1 & 2 | 372 FT | 32 Floors & 230 FT | 22 Floors

[Tito714]

Is it just me, or does Central Station have new Layton wrapping around the fence?

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by Tito714

Is it just me, or does Central Station have new Layton wrapping around the fence?

If there’s new signage that went up in the last 48 hours

[PHX06]

I can confirm -- the chain link fence that has been up for over a year now has a brand new bright blue wrapping with Layton Construction on it every few feet. This seems like major confirmation that construction is imminent. I walk by this site every day for work, so I will update if I see any other activity occurring.

[PHX31]

Let's assume construction is imminent. Yet somehow the final plans and height are unknown? Or are they now confirmed?

I find it odd that so many of Phoenix's towers that are built are wrapped in secrecy until they're constructed. This has happened through the years so many times.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by PHX31

Let's assume construction is imminent. Yet somehow the final plans and height are unknown? Or are they now confirmed?

I find it odd that so many of Phoenix's towers that are built are wrapped in secrecy until they're constructed. This has happened through the years so many times.

Im just excited to see an actual high profile RFP come through.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by PHX31

Let's assume construction is imminent. Yet somehow the final plans and height are unknown? Or are they now confirmed?

I find it odd that so many of Phoenix's towers that are built are wrapped in secrecy until they're constructed. This has happened through the years so many times.

I sent an email to Layton Construction last week inquiring about the final height since I can never get a reply from Medistar. Didn't receive a reply from Layton either. Hopefully, Layton updates their projects page soon.

It seems to me that a lot of downtown Phoenix projects go through constant design changes up until they actually break ground. I feel this is probably why we never get exact numbers or final renderings until they actually start construction.

With all the demand for towers in downtown these last few years, it's so odd it's still hard to find information, renderings, constructions cams, etc.. Phoenix should look to Tempe as a model for construction information. So frustrating!

Originally Posted by Obadno

Im just excited to see an actual high profile RFP come through.

You're not kidding on this one

[combusean]

I don't think they go through as many changes as you think. The industry is riddled with secrecy and people/projects already have dodgy credibility.

This is not even a "fan website" because none of us except the select few that live in these projects are actually customers or in any way do we significantly contribute to their bottom line.

You can make the case that we do contribute to hype and the popularity of the boom downtown, but none of that really matters to a particular developer if their project hasn't gotten financing and isn't coming out of the ground.

And that's what I think is going on in nearly all cases--financing is always the biggest hurdle.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by combusean

I don't think they go through as many changes as you think. The industry is riddled with secrecy and people/projects already have dodgy credibility.

This is not even a "fan website" because none of us except the select few that live in these projects are actually customers or in any way do we significantly contribute to their bottom line.

You can make the case that we do contribute to hype and the popularity of the boom downtown, but none of that really matters to a particular developer if their project hasn't gotten financing and isn't coming out of the ground.

And that's what I think is going on in nearly all cases--financing is always the biggest hurdle.

Its also been very difficult for materials and just workers. Its entirely possible the current delays are just the time its taken to secure the materials they need or wait for price fluctuations to calm down.

Not to mention Katerra blowing up.

[biggus diggus]

Every trade is backed up right now. My electrician has been trying to hire 3 guys since September. My plumber has been trying to hire someone and can't find anybody. On top of that materials are hard to come by and exorbitantly expensive. One of my crews I use for flips just bailed last month; they went to work for a builder and told me they had multiple offers from "desperate" builders. Flooring installers are getting several thousand dollar bonuses to sign on to work for bigger companies, too. Hard to build a high rise when you can't find people to swing the hammers.

That's just the world right now. Get used to it. Things take longer, they cost more money and they frustrate the hell out of us.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Yet, Moon Tower exploded out of no where and Skye started fairly quickly and X Phase 2 appears to be gearing up rather quickly. It's weird how some developments move quickly even with the shortage of supplies and workers and others take more than a year to take off such as this.

I realize that Central Station is a larger project, but shortages are shortages.

[PHX31]

Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro

I sent an email to Layton Construction last week inquiring about the final height since I can never get a reply from Medistar. Didn't receive a reply from Layton either. Hopefully, Layton updates their projects page soon.

It seems to me that a lot of downtown Phoenix projects go through constant design changes up until they actually break ground. I feel this is probably why we never get exact numbers or final renderings until they actually start construction.

With all the demand for towers in downtown these last few years, it's so odd it's still hard to find information, renderings, constructions cams, etc.. Phoenix should look to Tempe as a model for construction information. So frustrating!




You're not kidding on this one

I poked in to the Salt Lake City thread the other day and there was a post about Layton not doing any work on one project for like a year or something. I don't know what project it is, and I'm sure they're at the whim of the actual developer, but something about it didn't strike confidence in me for Central Station. Especially considering the delays we've already had.

Can someone post the most recent potential rendering for this? Or maybe continually update the first post of the thread with the newest rendering? I have zero clue what the most current plan is. I may update the Phoenix post in the main projects and construction subforum with it.

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by PHX31

I poked in to the Salt Lake City thread the other day and there was a post about Layton not doing any work on one project for like a year or something. I don't know what project it is, and I'm sure they're at the whim of the actual developer, but something about it didn't strike confidence in me for Central Station. Especially considering the delays we've already had.

I think Layton has the contract for the Convexity Tower in SLC, and SSP user meman has been posting about it because site work has seemingly slowed/paused this week. We've only known about the tower since February-ish and the previous building at the site was only demolished a month ago, so it's actually been moving pretty quickly. Not sure if supply shortages have anything to do with it.

My guess is that Layton construction signs going up is a good sign for the Central Station project.

[PHX06]

Phoenix Business Journal article about Central Station. Just keep hitting Esc, you have to get the timing just right.

Sounds like preconstruction activities will commence in Q1 2022. The article reiterates that the hotel portion is still cut from the project (stupid) and mentions the delays due to COVID. Nothing mentioned on height.

[Diamonddave]

Originally Posted by PHX06

Phoenix Business Journal article about Central Station. Just keep hitting Esc, you have to get the timing just right.

Sounds like preconstruction activities will commence in Q1 2022. The article reiterates that the hotel portion is still cut from the project (stupid) and mentions the delays due to COVID. Nothing mentioned on height.

The article did say that they added to number of apartments. I wonder if that effeçted the height any.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by PHX06

Phoenix Business Journal article about Central Station. Just keep hitting Esc, you have to get the timing just right.

Sounds like preconstruction activities will commence in Q1 2022. The article reiterates that the hotel portion is still cut from the project (stupid) and mentions the delays due to COVID. Nothing mentioned on height.

Post article for those that dont subscribe to Bizz Jurn

[PHX31]

From the Business Journal:

A downtown Phoenix redevelopment project that has been years in the making is nearing the start of construction, with early preconstruction activity on Central Station expected to begin in the first quarter of 2022.

Nick Wood, partner at Snell & Wilmer and zoning attorney for the project, said the developer, Houston-based Medistar Corp., is in the process of obtaining final permits for demolition and construction for the project.

The Phoenix City Council approved the lease and development agreement for the transit depot, located at Central Avenue and Polk Street, in April 2019 after a request for proposals was issued for redevelopment of the transit depot site, and Medistar was the chosen developer. Respondents to the request were required to submit ideas that incorporated the two light rail stations and bus station that are already on the site.

The Covid-19 pandemic did cause plans for the project to alter slightly, Wood said. The original plan called for a tower that would include apartment and hotel units, and a tower that would include Arizona State University student housing.

“Once Covid hit, the hotel industry got hit very hard,” Wood said.

Instead, the plan for the development is to now increase the amount of apartment units and eliminate the hotel portion. The plans still call for ground-floor retail, including what Wood said would likely be a “convenience-store” element, and office uses on the site.

Current plans call for 47,350 square feet of ground-floor retail, restaurant or grocery space and 35,350 square feet of office space. The developer is eliminating 150 hotel rooms from the plans. It is unclear, though, how many apartment units will be in the development.

The pandemic has caused some delay in the timeline, Wood said, adding that now the project is moving ahead as expected.

Wood said the project, especially the incorporation of the transit uses without interrupting light rail service, will be a “tremendous challenge” and said it has been a collaborative effort between the development team and city leadership, including economic development, water services, parks and recreation and Valley Metro.

The plans are not the first time the site was supposed to be redeveloped. The city previously went through the process for the site in 2013. During the initial planning process, developer Bill Smith of Chicago-based Smithfield Properties died. His family opted not to continue the process and sent the city back to the drawing board.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by Diamonddave

The article did say that they added to number of apartments. I wonder if that effeçted the height any.

It looks like it may have and we will be getting 37 stories after all. Medistar has updated their website and finally removed the hotel floors, but increased the residential floor count from 25 to 32!

Below are snippers from new project info and old project info. If this holds true, Central Station will again be over 400'

[Obadno]

Awesome news! With the amount of demand for housing in Phoenix now and for the foreseeable future there should be justification for 50 story condo towers.

but what do i know??? Im just an idiot.

[gymratmanaz]

I know someone will point out my folly.....

OLD - Retail - 1, Office - 2, Hotel - 8, Appartments - 25= 36 floors...listed at 37 floors???

NEW - Retail - 1, Office - 2, Appartments - 32= 35 floors...listed at 37 floors???

Each is off by 1 or 2 floors by my counting.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by gymratmanaz

I know someone will point out my folly.....

OLD - Retail - 1, Office - 2, Hotel - 8, Appartments - 25= 36 floors...listed at 37 floors???

NEW - Retail - 1, Office - 2, Appartments - 32= 35 floors...listed at 37 floors???

Each is off by 1 or 2 floors by my counting.

Technically, it says stories which doesn't necessarily mean floor count. They may be counting the parapet as 1 or 2 stories. Hopefully, we will get new renderings soon. I'm still really confused how no new permits or plan reviews have not been submitted for this?