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"Politically unstable Québec"?
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"Politically unstable Québec"?
The whole sovereignty movement.
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The whole sovereignty movement.
I think at this point the taxes are the main drag rather than much worry about separation. That said for this project I think the opposite might be true. There is a lot of pent up demand (from young professionals and downsizers who will only live in Quebec) and this will basically be the only "cool" walkable neighborhood in Gatineau. The Ottawa side is competing with a bunch of other projects and neighborhoods. Of course if you work in Portage the Ottawa side will be a great chance to walk to work and still pay Ontario taxes.

I worry it will end up like LeBreton though, especially given the soft condo market in Ottawa.
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Has anybody's you thought about / commented on how damp / icy the development could be in winter and spring being so close to the falls - is that a consideration or won't be sn issue?
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The whole sovereignty movement.
I'm not sure if you've picked up a newspaper in the last 10 years, but support for sovereignty in Quebec is in the 30s. That's not too far off from the proportion of Albertans who say they'd be open to separation.
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Has anybody's you thought about / commented on how damp / icy the development could be in winter and spring being so close to the falls - is that a consideration or won't be sn issue?
I definitely thought of that. It makes you wonder about the health effects of having all this fast moving cold water 24/7 all around you. Interesting how none of that has been discussed here, nor in the media. In essence, this area has a microclimate of its own, with its unique risks. More fast moving water also means more windy conditions and, as mentioned above, more frequent icy conditions in the winter. If they want to make this such a sustainable, pedestrian friendly community, then how will the address the ice? Using salt like elsewhere in the city is not really a sustainable practice. Oh, and what about those driverless busses, how do they handle in the ice, snow etc? Lots of questions.
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I did ask about icy sidewalks during one of the open houses and got a "It's Ottawa and winter so there will be ice" response - but nothing more - I thought about it and glad others are as well!
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I definitely thought of that. It makes you wonder about the health effects of having all this fast moving cold water 24/7 all around you. Interesting how none of that has been discussed here, nor in the media. In essence, this area has a microclimate of its own, with its unique risks. More fast moving water also means more windy conditions and, as mentioned above, more frequent icy conditions in the winter. If they want to make this such a sustainable, pedestrian friendly community, then how will the address the ice? Using salt like elsewhere in the city is not really a sustainable practice. Oh, and what about those driverless busses, how do they handle in the ice, snow etc? Lots of questions.
I would think the extra humidity would be appreciated in the winter and the cooling effect nice in the summer. Worldwide it is not unusual at all to live near water. How would this be worse than living on the ocean with waves and spray etc.?
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I would think the extra humidity would be appreciated in the winter and the cooling effect nice in the summer. Worldwide it is not unusual at all to live near water. How would this be worse than living on the ocean with waves and spray etc.?
Its different in that you would be living on islands, completely surrounded by cold water and high currents, so its not comparable to living by the ocean, or even on the edge of river. And in the winter, humidity, wind and cold is no fun.
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I've spent a lot of time on-site through all seasons. Prevailing winds actually take most of the mist from the dam over the bridge. The master plan shows public space and no buildings closest to the dam. This allows great public access for a viewing spot, but also means that the rest of the development is truly unaffected by any mist. Wind studies were conducted during the master plan, and the site is actually not as windy as people might think. The master plan also was designed to ensure wind issues were minimal. Overall, living near water will have a tempering effect on climate.
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I'm not sure if you've picked up a newspaper in the last 10 years, but support for sovereignty in Quebec is in the 30s. That's not too far off from the proportion of Albertans who say they'd be open to separation.
Reports of the movement's death have been, as usual, greatly exaggerated.
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Reports of the movement's death have been, as usual, greatly exaggerated.
Exactly it will always be a factor in any investment decision.(along with taxes and language issues) Even if we put the chance of separation at say 5% in the next 20 years, if it happened it could lead to a huge loss, so smart investors have to adjust accordingly. People buying a home might not think about it anymore but it does impact the cost of land and therefore housing prices.
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Exactly it will always be a factor in any investment decision.(along with taxes and language issues) Even if we put the chance of separation at say 5% in the next 20 years, if it happened it could lead to a huge loss, so smart investors have to adjust accordingly. People buying a home might not think about it anymore but it does impact the cost of land and therefore housing prices.
I doubt that even the most wide-eyed Péquist partisan zealot honestly thinks the chances of separation are as high as 5% in the next 20 years. I'd bet against that outcome with those odds any day of the week but I doubt there's any bookie who'd even offer those odds.

Other than that though, I basically agree with the rest of what you wrote.
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Zibi condo project on former Domtar lands launches on Ottawa side

Patrick Langston, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: November 6, 2015 | Last Updated: November 6, 2015 3:00 PM EST




Waterways may be a defining feature of Ottawa, but just try finding a home next to any of them. That gets a bit easier with Saturday’s launch of Kanaal, a mix of waterside condo towns and apartments at Zibi, the ambitious 37-acre redevelopment of former Domtar property on the Ottawa River.

Pronounced ZEEbee and meaning river in Algonquin, the $1.2-billion, über-green redevelopment by Windmill Development Group and Dream Unlimited Corp. blends residential, commercial and retail with extensive public space including parks, plazas and trails. It includes Chaudière and Albert islands on the Ottawa side and a slice of the Gatineau shoreline. The project also opens up to the public, for the first time in decades, the splendid Chaudière Falls.

The first phase of Zibi, called “O,” opened this past spring on the Quebec side. Over half its 66 condos have sold, and a second phase of 75 units will launch next spring. In all, some 1,200 condos will be built at Zibi over the next dozen years or so.

Kanaal, designed by architect Barry Hobin, is located on Chaudière Island near LeBreton Flats. It comprises 26 stacked towns with 35 apartments above them. The south side will front the canal known as Buchanan Channel, the narrow strip of water separating Chaudière and Albert islands. The other side will face a European-style public square that will include restored industrial buildings with retail and commercial space.

“It’s quite a unique building,” says Windmill partner Rodney Wilts. “The main feature is the location: on the south side … you can be sitting out on your terrace and a family of ducks toodles by.”

Kanaal’s towns run 1,406 to just under 1,950 square feet and start at $760,356. About half the towns are being released on Saturday, with no set date for the balance. The apartments range from one bedroom and 524 square feet to 1,301 square feet with two bedrooms and a den. They start at $262,808.

“We’re trying to create a building that represents a real spectrum. It’s not just all million-dollar units,” says Wilts.

It’s also a building designed to maximize its waterfront location by giving as many occupants as possible a view of the canal, according to Hobin. To support that, the apartment section steps back to give the towns rooftop terraces facing the water. Rooftop apartment terraces also overlook the canal.



While the building’s form responds to the water, Hobin says that Kanaal’s exterior fabric draws on the site’s industrial context with a “tactile texture of brick and stone and metal.”

Inside, floor plans include penthouses that sweep from the building’s front to its back, opening the units to natural daylight and air circulation. “It basically allows you to have a bungalow in the air,” says Hobin.

Intriguing designs notwithstanding, Zibi doesn’t tickle everyone. Renowned First Nations architect Douglas Cardinal, who designed the Canadian Museum of History, is among those who launched an appeal to the Ontario Municipal Board over the city’s approval of Windmill’s rezoning application for Albert and Chaudière islands.

A number of First Nations leaders say the lands, which are on unceded Algonquin territory, are sacred to their people and should not be developed. Cardinal and other native protesters gathered on nearby Victoria Island earlier this week to voice their opposition to the development.

However, other First Nations leaders support the project as an opportunity for employment and meaningful collaboration with the rest of Canada.

Windmill’s plans include using the Algonquin language, along with French and English, on Zibi street signs and employing First Nations workers on the project.

The OMB held a hearing in August on the issues but had not released its decision at the time of writing. Windmill says that sales at Kanaal are conditional upon successful resolution of the OMB hearing, and that the company is confident of a favourable ruling.

“We’ve been talking to Doug Cardinal a lot. We’re always trying to extend an olive branch,” says Wilts. “I don’t have any illusions that he‘s going to stop opposing the project.”



Those who like the project are enamoured with not just its esthetics but its sustainability. The buildings are being constructed to LEED platinum standards, the highest level under the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design program, an industry-recognized rating system for green buildings. Heating, for example, will use a warm water loop system to capture heat being generated but not used in the area and direct it to buildings. Similar technology will cool units.

Zibi will also promote alternatives to cars and return the shoreline to a natural state. The project has been endorsed by One Planet Community, a growing global network of leading-edge sustainable neighbourhoods.

Green features at Kanaal include the use of reclaimed industrial doors in the lobby. The units boast formaldehyde-free materials in kitchens and elsewhere, and wood floors from responsibly managed forests.

Also in Kanaal’s package: five stainless-steel appliances, granite or quartz counters, and a gym plus amenity centre with a pool and lounge.



Wilts says that Kanaal is the Dutch spelling of canal. The name was chosen after Windmill scoured Europe for pace-setting green and waterfront sites and noted that the Dutch were in the vanguard of sustainable leadership.

Zibi’s deep green character helped lure buyer Glenn Maloney. Currently living in Kanata, he and his wife bought a 650-square-foot unit at O in the spring as an investment and hope to land a waterside unit for themselves when Kanaal launches Saturday.

“It was affordable, and the buildings are attractive in that they are environmentally sound,” he says. “I’ve been anticipating this project for years. It’s close to LeBreton Flats, the river, to paths. It’s so central, I can’t imagine a better place to enjoy (life).”

As it’s doing at O, Windmill plans to have the condos, public square and restored heritage and other structures ready for use at the same time. Wilts won’t name the commercial and retail tenants already on board, but he does say that when the site opens, “Rest assured, it’s a place where you can get a coffee and a beer.”

More condos are planned for Chaudière Island, but no release date has been set.

Windmill construction at Kanaal to start this coming spring and occupancy to begin in early 2018.

Kanaal

What: A mix of 26 stacked condo towns from 1,406 to 1,946 square feet and 35 condo apartments from 524 to 1,301 square feet. Part of Zibi, a 1,200-condo redevelopment project on the former Domtar lands.
Builder: Windmill Development Group and Dream Unlimited Corp.
Prices: Towns start at $760,356; apartments at $262,808. Condo fees are 33 cents a square foot and parking is $35,000.
Sales centre: 3 rue Eddy, Gatineau.
Hours: Monday to Thursday, noon to 6 p.m.; weekends, noon to 5 p.m. Closed Friday.
Information: 613-224-0134; zibi.ca

http://ottawacitizen.com/life/homes/cond...mer-domtar-lands-launches-on-ottawa-side
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I'm not sure if you've picked up a newspaper in the last 10 years, but support for sovereignty in Quebec is in the 30s. That's not too far off from the proportion of Albertans who say they'd be open to separation.
The sovereignty question comes and goes. Who knows what will happen in another 10, 20 years. That said, it certainly not the number 1 reason to avoid moving to, or expect to pay a lower price in Québec. The high taxes and lack of services (if you don't have kids) are the big issues facing Québec. I don't think anyone can say that the pricing for 400-500 square feet at Zibi's Québec side condos is 100% fair.
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The sovereignty question comes and goes. Who knows what will happen in another 10, 20 years. That said, it certainly not the number 1 reason to avoid moving to, or expect to pay a lower price in Québec. The high taxes and lack of services (if you don't have kids) are the big issues facing Québec. I don't think anyone can say that the pricing for 400-500 square feet at Zibi's Québec side condos is 100% fair.
Fair? What's fair? It's whatever people are willing to pay.
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According to a blog post on the Windmill website, the OMB has made their final ruling in favour of Windmill:

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Windmill Development Group welcomes the Ontario Municipal Board’s clear and unequivocal decision to dismiss the appeals that were filed following the City of Ottawa’s approval to change the zoning to accommodate the Zibi project.
> OMB Decision (PDF, via the Windmill link above)
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OMB dismisses appeals against Zibi development

Elizabeth Payne, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: November 17, 2015 | Last Updated: November 17, 2015 6:45 PM EST


The Ontario Municipal Board has dismissed appeals against the development of the Zibi project on the former Domtar lands, saying both the Windmill Development Group and the City of Ottawa followed proper procedure in rezoning the land and consulted with the public and First Nations.

In a ruling released Tuesday, OMB Deputy Commissioner Richard Makuch wrote that “aboriginal history and culture will be respected and incorporated into the proposed development plans.”

Five people, including First Nations architect Douglas Cardinal who designed the nearby Canadian Museum of History, opposed rezoning to allow the development of Zibi.

Cardinal said Tuesday that the fight against the project is not over. “They didn’t consider indigenous rights. You can’t deny in this day and age the right of indigenous people to their own land.”

The project is a mixed-use development with retail, residential, office and commercial uses, including a hotel and the use of heritage buildings. In his ruling, Makuch noted that rezoning for the project “will provide public access to the Ottawa River shoreline on the islands for the first time in over 100 years.”

He also noted that, “given the significance of the lands to the Algonquin” people, proper steps were taken to engage with Algonquin communities in developing the plan. The city, as part of its zoning amendment, requires that a heritage interpretive plan be developed that would pay tribute to the Algonquin history on the site and acknowledge the significance of the islands to Algonquin culture.

Beyond the OMB appeals, the project continues to draw protests from some who oppose it and say it should not be developed but turned over to First Nations’ stewardship. It sits on unceded Algonquin territory which was long considered a cultural gathering place.

Several Algonquin communities in Ontario and a number of people from reserves in Quebec support the project and many are hoping to work there as tradespeople and in other jobs. Several Algonquin communities in Quebec continue to oppose it.

Jeff Westeinde, chair of Windmill Development Groups, said he was encouraged by the ruling and said it clears the way to continue developing what is expected to be Canada’s most sustainable community.

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OMB dismisses appeals against Zibi development

Elizabeth Payne, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: November 17, 2015 | Last Updated: November 17, 2015 6:45 PM EST


The Ontario Municipal Board has dismissed appeals against the development of the Zibi project on the former Domtar lands, saying both the Windmill Development Group and the City of Ottawa followed proper procedure in rezoning the land and consulted with the public and First Nations.

In a ruling released Tuesday, OMB Deputy Commissioner Richard Makuch wrote that “aboriginal history and culture will be respected and incorporated into the proposed development plans.”

Five people, including First Nations architect Douglas Cardinal who designed the nearby Canadian Museum of History, opposed rezoning to allow the development of Zibi.

Cardinal said Tuesday that the fight against the project is not over. “They didn’t consider indigenous rights. You can’t deny in this day and age the right of indigenous people to their own land.”

The project is a mixed-use development with retail, residential, office and commercial uses, including a hotel and the use of heritage buildings. In his ruling, Makuch noted that rezoning for the project “will provide public access to the Ottawa River shoreline on the islands for the first time in over 100 years.”

He also noted that, “given the significance of the lands to the Algonquin” people, proper steps were taken to engage with Algonquin communities in developing the plan. The city, as part of its zoning amendment, requires that a heritage interpretive plan be developed that would pay tribute to the Algonquin history on the site and acknowledge the significance of the islands to Algonquin culture.

Beyond the OMB appeals, the project continues to draw protests from some who oppose it and say it should not be developed but turned over to First Nations’ stewardship. It sits on unceded Algonquin territory which was long considered a cultural gathering place.

Several Algonquin communities in Ontario and a number of people from reserves in Quebec support the project and many are hoping to work there as tradespeople and in other jobs. Several Algonquin communities in Quebec continue to oppose it.

Jeff Westeinde, chair of Windmill Development Groups, said he was encouraged by the ruling and said it clears the way to continue developing what is expected to be Canada’s most sustainable community.

[email protected]

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/omb-dismisses-zibi-appeals
This is great news.

I'm somewhat surprised that the Ottawa Citizen is giving the impression that First Nations people are divided 50/50 on this project.

My understanding is that the overwhelming majority of First Nations people and the bands in the National Capital Region support the Zibi project and that there are only a few small dissenting voices and one First Nations group outside of the NCR that oppose it.
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