NEW YORK | 15 Penn Plaza (Hotel Penn) | 1,050 FT / 315 M | 52 FLOORS

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Originally Posted by Onn

Well there's chart right in front of you...what does it say?

it must be old because the last time Vornado commented on the 2 scenario's they said muti tenant would be 1255 and the single tenant would be 1216

[Aleks]

the more i look at it the less i like it. its fat and has a vagina on every side.

im sure pelli could come up with something better than this.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

it reminds me of Pelli's Torre Gran Costenera


http://www.skyscraperlife.com/tower-vs-tower/6134-torre-torrena-vrs-torre-gran-costanera-8.html

[jamesinclair]

Mayor Menino of Boston called Bloomberg to ask him to do what he could to approve the plan.

Vornado demolished a historic building in Boston to build a new tower, and left a hole which has been eating downtown for 2 years.

[Onn]

Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork

it must be old because the last time Vornado commented on the 2 scenario's they said muti tenant would be 1255 and the single tenant would be 1216

First I've heard of it, where did you see that?

[Onn]

Originally Posted by Aleks

the more i look at it the less i like it. its fat and has a vagina on every side.

im sure pelli could come up with something better than this.

It's an office building, what did you expect? It's clean, it's modern, it's not rectangular, it has blue glass. Everything checks out in my opinion. These aren't the WTC towers here, it's just like every other large scale office building going up in the world.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork

though the single tenant will be 1216 and the multi tenant will be 1255 there was never this 1190 ft. design.

The 1,190 ft single tenant proposal is on the table as well as the 1,216 ft multi tenant design. They're both a slight increase from earlier in the process, when the towers were less of the same design.

Earlier, the taller muilti-tenant version was to top out at 1,198 ft, and the shorter, boxier single tenant version was to top out at 1,119 ft.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by jamesinclair

Vornado demolished a historic building in Boston to build a new tower, and left a hole which has been eating downtown for 2 years.

There are a few stalled sites in Manhattan also, though due to the credit crisis. Vornado won't do anything here until there's a tenant. Now that things are in place, this will fade out of the news (certainly got a lot of publicity) and negotiations can continue....

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010..._to_turn_down_proposed_15_penn_plaz.html

"The fact is that New York's skyline has never stopped changing, and one hopes it never will," said David Greenbaum, head of the New York office of Vornado Realty Trust.

The new skyscraper hopes to provide "a world-class headquarters" for a financial industry firm, though discussions with potential tenants are still in preliminary stages.

Malkin proposed cutting the height by the building from its proposed 1,216 feet to 825 feet, and asked for a change in its shape to keep it from blocking the Empire State's western side.

Greenbaum flatly rejected taking anything off the top: "There's no consideration to that."

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http://www.archpaper.com/e-board_rev.asp?News_ID=4786

Pelli spoke to AN about the tower during a lull in the meeting, saying that it is actually much slimmer than the Malkins suggest, given its sloping sides, the modern equivalent of setbacks, the architect said. With a top two-thirds the size of the building’s largest floors, Pelli maintains that his building is not much bulkier than its nearby neighbor.

“New office buildings are fundamentally different than traditional officer buildings, so the form will be different and the scale will be different, and typically that means a bigger building,” Pelli said. As for aesthetic, much remains to be worked out, but the architect pointed to two of his firm’s best known works, the Petronas Tower in Kula Lampoor and the International Finance Center in Hong Kong.

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And the City Council really came through on building something for a change. New York already stands taller for allowing skyline growth. I'm one of those who believe we haven't seen the best New York yet.

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Once construction does begin, I'll have to endure the long wait at the Empire State more often, just to get an overhead perspective of the tower as it rises.

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[RobertWalpole]

Hopefully, soon it will be called THE MORGAN STANLEY TOWER -- not 15 Penn Plaza!

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Originally Posted by Onn

First I've heard of it, where did you see that?

on this thread somewhere from pgs 8 on

[Ordo_]

Originally Posted by Aleks

the more i look at it the less i like it. its fat and has a vagina on every side.

im sure pelli could come up with something better than this.

Not really. Pelli's recent large towers seem very similar, if not clonal. Transbay, Xiao Bay Lo, Gran Torre Costanera, even some of his older things like IFC. As I've said before these developers feel the need to hire starchitects to design their buildings. It may be great for marketing, but we end up with projects that are essentially all about the starchitect and not uniquely New York.

At least it is a modernist tower though, with which good materials and nice detailing could be a solid building. Not great, but solid. Its a lot to be hoping for, but I'd rather start out in such a positive position than with something campy and offensive like Beekman. I can get behind that .

[JACKinBeantown]

Say goodbye to the 91-year-old Hotel Pennsylvania
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/02/living-it-up-at-the-hotel-pennsylvania/

and say hello to a new taller version of this...


(Wikipedia)

[CoolCzech]

Originally Posted by Aleks
the more i look at it the less i like it. (It) has a vagina on every side.

You say that like it's a bad thing...

[kenratboy]

Please let this happen.

[NYguy]

http://www.observer.com/2010/real-estate/boston-mayors-rage-against-steve-roth-stoked-15-penn

15 Penn Stokes Boston Mayor's Rage Against Steve Roth

By Eliot Brown
August 26, 2010

Looks like Boston Mayor Tom Menino has not cooled off very much on the subject of Vornado.

Earlier this year, the mayor, upset about the stalled progress at a half-demolished, prime, Vornado-owned development site in downtown Boston, proclaimed his rage about comments made by Vornado chairman Steve Roth, who indicated he had encouraged blight on a prime New York site in order to win subsidies.

Now, per the Boston Herald, Mr. Menino's anger has been reignited by the attention paid to Vornado's giant planned office tower near the Empire State Building (called 15 Penn Plaza). The mayor apparently sent a message to Mayor Bloomberg about his feelings on the topic:

A furious Hub Mayor Thomas M. Menino yesterday notified Big Apple Mayor Michael Bloomberg that the developer proposing a controversial skyscraper beside the Empire State Building is the same builder that left an unfinished job - and a gaping hole - in the middle of downtown Boston.

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"Just the arrogance of that corporation Vornado, saying we want to build a building (as high as) the Empire State Building when they have a project here in Boston that's been unfinished for over 2 years," Menino said. "Very, very, very arrogant."

Menino added, "They have no respect for the business community of Boston or the people of Boston."


To be fair to Vornado, it's not like the company is about to start development on 15 Penn Plaza tomorrow. The company says it needs a tenant, and it's just securing approvals now, not starting new high-risk projects. (Not that the lip-sealed Vornado would ever think of commenting in an article to explain this.)

The exchange with the Bloomberg administration was followed by a stern public warning in today's Boston Herald:

"This sheds a pretty harsh light on Vornado and the way they view development," said Boston Redevelopment Authority Director John Palmieri. "It obviously represents a determination on Vornado's part that Boston is not where they want to conduct business."

Yikes.

Vornado apparently saw a scaled-back plan for its stalled site—once meant to be a $700 million mixed-use development—nixed by Mr. Menino as well, according to the Herald.

[YSL]

Originally Posted by JACKinNYC

Say goodbye to the 91-year-old Hotel Pennsylvania
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/02/living-it-up-at-the-hotel-pennsylvania/

and say hello to a new taller version of this...

OK.

BYE Hotel Crappsylvania!!

HI new taller version of that!!!!!

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Originally Posted by YSL

OK.

BYE Hotel Crappsylvania!!

HI new taller version of that!!!!!

15 Penn Plaza wil be far more gorgeous and closer to this


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[JACKinBeantown]

Originally Posted by YSL

OK.

BYE Hotel Crappsylvania!!

HI new taller version of that!!!!!

Thanks for doing what I said.

[Aleks]

Originally Posted by Ordo_

Not really. Pelli's recent large towers seem very similar, if not clonal. Transbay, Xiao Bay Lo, Gran Torre Costanera, even some of his older things like IFC. As I've said before these developers feel the need to hire starchitects to design their buildings. It may be great for marketing, but we end up with projects that are essentially all about the starchitect and not uniquely New York.

At least it is a modernist tower though, with which good materials and nice detailing could be a solid building. Not great, but solid. Its a lot to be hoping for, but I'd rather start out in such a positive position than with something campy and offensive like Beekman. I can get behind that .

exactly! his designs do look similar, but this is the fattest of them all. the tower is unproportioned for the design.

if it's square footage they want then i'd rather see a shorter tower with one or two setbacks to increase sq footage. the design should focus less on itself and more on the ESB. I understand we should keep building taller in the area, but pay respect to the king! please!

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Originally Posted by Aleks

exactly! his designs do look similar, but this is the fattest of them all. the tower is unproportioned for the design.

if it's square footage they want then i'd rather see a shorter tower with one or two setbacks to increase sq footage. the design should focus less on itself and more on the ESB. I understand we should keep building taller in the area, but pay respect to the king! please!

it will always be king even if 2000 fotters blocked it.


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