Burnaby Updates

[officedweller]

and another

Willingdon & Halifax

The overall proposal is for two high-rise residential towers atop a non-market residential rental and commercial/retail podium with underground parking. The development is anticipated to be constructed over two main phases, with Phase 1 encompassing the western half of the site, and Phase 2 the eastern half.

Details include:

• a 60-storey condo tower (651 ft);
• a 43-storey rental & office tower (479 ft);
• 815 total units;
• 472 condo units;
• 266 market rental units;
• 77 non-market units;
• 200,000 SF of commercial space (13 floors of office);
• a total combined density of 12.66 FAR (970,000 SF);
• 1,794 parking spaces;
• a new public square known as ‘Buchanan Square’.

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[Klazu]

Interesting that the taller tower is the one placed further to west. It is ridiculous how it absolutely dominates the existing towers next to it and I could see those towers getting demolished and replaced in the next 20 years.

Also, wasn't there another 60-floor plan for the Petro Canada lot?

I don't quite like the massing of the podiumd and hoped there would be a hotel instead of more empty office space.

[Vin]

Dailyhive is showing more detailed renderings:

Two towers up to 60 storeys proposed near Brentwood SkyTrain (RENDERINGS)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/bren...pment-rezoning

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Interesting that the taller tower is the one placed further to west. It is ridiculous how it absolutely dominates the existing towers next to it and I could see those towers getting demolished and replaced in the next 20 years.

Also, wasn't there another 60-floor plan for the Petro Canada lot?

I don't quite like the massing of the podiumd and hoped there would be a hotel instead of more empty office space.

Seems doubtful they get replaced unless any of those buildings are rental.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Interesting that the taller tower is the one placed further to west. It is ridiculous how it absolutely dominates the existing towers next to it and I could see those towers getting demolished and replaced in the next 20 years.

Also, wasn't there another 60-floor plan for the Petro Canada lot?

I don't quite like the massing of the podiumd and hoped there would be a hotel instead of more empty office space.

Yes that’s part of a future phase. Two towers.

[Klazu]

Ugh, I shouldn't have opened the DailyHive article where a couple of idiots in the comments are talking how Lougheed needs to be shrunk to just 1+1 lanes. Some people are just completely delusional, blithering idiots.

Anyways, I didn't notice it before before, but it's actually pretty cool that the rental podium allows passing through to the other side. We don't have a lot of such urban elements in this city.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Interesting that the taller tower is the one placed further to west. It is ridiculous how it absolutely dominates the existing towers next to it and I could see those towers getting demolished and replaced in the next 20 years.

Also, wasn't there another 60-floor plan for the Petro Canada lot?

I don't quite like the massing of the podiumd and hoped there would be a hotel instead of more empty office space.

It's phase 1 and 2 of a proposed 4 phase project, and phase 3 is going to have an even taller tower.
(That's the 64 storey one you're asking about)









That pocket of land they sit on is going to have quite a bit of density so it almost doesn't matter what the neighbouring towers look like now.

It's worth noting that Tower 4 (the tallest one) is actually going to be phase 3 of the project and in the next phase while Tower 3 will be the last phase to be built.
No prizes fo guessing why they're phasing and building them that way with that naming/numbering system.


From the looks of it, (and assuming it retains that height through the permit application process), it will literally tower over both Solo district and Amazing Brentwood.

Also it's interesting comparing this phase with an early preliminary rendering of the very first concept proposal:-
The massing's mostly the same, even if the details have evolved quite a bit....

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Yes that’s part of a future phase. Two towers.

Two future phases.
One tower in each phase:-



It's possible they build both phases together as they are doing with these two towers which are technically Phase 1 and 2.

As always, it will depend on whatever the market conditions at the time are like, I would imagine.

[officedweller]

The Phase 4 site (and small park) will probably be used to stage the surrounding towers.

[Metro-One]

Since tower one is nearly 200m, guessing tower 4 will be around 220?

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Since tower one is nearly 200m, guessing tower 4 will be around 220?

It could (....and should) be taller that even.

Don't forget that Tower 4 has an office/hotel and retail podium while Tower 1 is all residential.

So those podiums floors probably add significant actual height to that 10 storey difference between the two towers.

[seamusmcduff]

Surprised at the amount of Office. Would have thought that some of that density would go towards hotel space, considering that seems to be far more in demand at the moment.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Ugh, I shouldn't have opened the DailyHive article where a couple of idiots in the comments are talking how Lougheed needs to be shrunk to just 1+1 lanes. Some people are just completely delusional, blithering idiots.

Anyways, I didn't notice it before before, but it's actually pretty cool that the rental podium allows passing through to the other side. We don't have a lot of such urban elements in this city.

Yeah they are idiots. However, I only support the idea of 1+1 lanes on one condition:

Provide an alternative link of the highway east and west, either via a tunnel or with a flyover.

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by seamusmcduff

Surprised at the amount of Office. Would have thought that some of that density would go towards hotel space, considering that seems to be far more in demand at the moment.

Which is why I said "office/hotel".

The initial concept seemed to categorize it as office space, but with the current market (and who knows how long it will remain this way) a lot of developers are converting the office components of their development proposals into hotel instead and the same could happen to this as well if the office market remains dire with high vacancy rates whenever this phase gets off the ground.

There's still a long way to go till then.
I believe they estimated this phase would take about 7 years to build out.
So depending on whether they begin phase 3 (with the tallest tower) before this one gets completely built out (like, say....within the next 4-5 years) and the market is still the same, then don't be surprised to see some or all of that office becoming hotel.
And since they haven't done a DP application for it yet, converting some of it back to residential wouldn't be out of the question either.

[seamusmcduff]

I seem to recall that burnabys density allowances essentially treat office and hotel the same, and allow for them to be switched fairly easily.

Although do office floor plate sizes suit hotels? I know thats been a challenge with office to residential conversions, and I imagine it would be somewhat similar for hotels.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

Which is why I said "office/hotel".

The initial concept seemed to categorize it as office space, but with the current market (and who knows how long it will remain this way) a lot of developers are converting the office components of their development proposals into hotel instead and the same could happen to this as well if the office market remains dire with high vacancy rates whenever this phase gets off the ground.

There doesn't seem to be a clear pattern on replacing office for hotel. It's less than a year that Keltic said they were thinking of changing Bosa's proposed project at 4444 Kingsway "to replace the hotel with more office and other commercial space, including a small grocery outlet and upscale restaurants."

[jollyburger]

Willingdon Lands Phase 1

The development's first phase along Willingdon Avenue and Goard Way includes a six-storey non-market rental building, a 14-storey rental and non-market rental building and a 20-storey leasehold strata building with street-oriented townhomes, according to the report.

This first phase would see a total of 622 new residential units built, made up of 267 leasehold strata units, 51 rental units rented at market median rates, 213 market rental units and 91 rental units rented at 20 per cent below the Central Park/Metrotown market median.

The report notes the leasehold tenure would allow the Nations to maintain ownership of the lands in perpetuity, and it is expected to create a more affordable alternative to freehold home ownership in Burnaby.

The master plan imagines the site as a contemporary Musqueam and Tsleil-Waututh urban village with residential, commercial, film studio and offices over seven phases of construction.

That includes:

more than 5,200 homes
5,000 sq. ft. of cultural centre and community space
135,000 sq. ft. of commercial retail space
a daycare centre
about 450,000 sq. ft. of film studio space
two large parks with a network of trails, gardens, plazas and a daylit creek

https://www.westerninvestor.com/brit...-phase-7677736

[officedweller]

Burnaby’s Revs bowling alley could be home to trio of highrise towers up to 60 storeys tall
https://www.burnabynow.com/local-new...s-tall-7691420

The proposed form of development will
be three high-rise towers with at-grade retail, containing the following proposed uses:
• Tower 1 (northwest tower on Lougheed):
o Market condo
o Affordable rental
• Tower 2 (east tower, mid-site):
0 Market condo
• Tower 3 (southwest tower on Goring):
o Market condo
• Retail (north along Lougheed):
o Ground-level CRU's
Tower 1 hosts a combination of market condo and affordable rental units and reaches a height
of approximately 60 storeys. Tower 2 hosts strictly market condo units and reaches a height of
approximately 55 storeys. Tower 3 also strictly hosts market condo and reaches a height of
approximately 50 storeys. The three towers are connected at L2-L3 by a large indoor/outdoor
amenity space. Ground-level retail space spans approximately three quarters of the north
property line along Lougheed.

https://pub-burnaby.escribemeetings....edium=referral

[jollyburger]

Another Chris Dikeakos Architects project.

[Klazu]

Brentwood is turning quickly into a Hong Kong style vertical ghetto. While I like tall buildings, making 60 storeys the new norm is pretty ridiculous, especially with the tight tower spacing. Not a fan of it.