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Old Posted Apr 28, 2016, 6:53 PM
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^ I'd say that's more about cutting out the middleman (networks) than about platform, which makes sense in many ways, especially for an outfit like the NFL that can easily bear the overhead of running its own network.

I'd wager that most people watching the WWE Network are doing so on TVs with some form of "cable" connection or on devices that are streaming to TVs. I doubt all that many people are watching 2 or 3 hours of Monday Night Raw on their iPhones.

That said, the WWE is well suited to this model since it gets next to no media coverage. By contrast the NFL gets tons and tons of it. Shifting their product to a closed-access channel would probably come back to bite them as the amount of earned media they get could drop significantly.
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I'm pretty sure the low Raptor ratings have more to do with people not wanting to watch a game that is 48mins long stretches over a 3 hour period, rather than streaming games online. Especially when NHL playoffs and MLB are on... That is my personal take of course
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I'm pretty sure the low Raptor ratings have more to do with people not wanting to watch a game that is 48mins long stretches over a 3 hour period, rather than streaming games online. Especially when NHL playoffs and MLB are on... That is my personal take of course
Lower than expected ratings may also be due to the fact that the NBA has treated the Raptors-Pacers series the worst when it comes to scheduling. Game 1 was a 12:30 start on a Saturday, Game 4 was a 3pm Saturday game and Game 5 inexplicably started at 6pm on a Tuesday night.

Those are not exactly the best game times for tv ratings
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I'd wager that most people watching the WWE Network are doing so on TVs with some form of "cable" connection or on devices that are streaming to TVs. I doubt all that many people are watching 2 or 3 hours of Monday Night Raw on their iPhones.
Speaking of WWE, I heard a few weeks ago?, Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer (legitimate correspondent) say that during the WWE Attitude era of the latter 1990's, the average fan age was early 20's. The average WWE wrestling fan now is mid 40's, I was surprised by that.
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^ I'd say that's more about cutting out the middleman (networks) than about platform, which makes sense in many ways, especially for an outfit like the NFL that can easily bear the overhead of running its own network.

I'd wager that most people watching the WWE Network are doing so on TVs with some form of "cable" connection or on devices that are streaming to TVs. I doubt all that many people are watching 2 or 3 hours of Monday Night Raw on their iPhones.

That said, the WWE is well suited to this model since it gets next to no media coverage. By contrast the NFL gets tons and tons of it. Shifting their product to a closed-access channel would probably come back to bite them as the amount of earned media they get could drop significantly.
The big TV shows Raw/Smackdown aren't shown live on the Network - they still air on "regular" TV across the world.

Coincidentally - Canada is the only country that offers the Network as a TV channel - and the on-demand section is vastly scaled back compared to what is offered on the main service. Most other countries offer it as a streaming service across many devices.
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2016, 10:05 PM
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Speaking of WWE, I heard a few weeks ago?, Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer (legitimate correspondent) say that during the WWE Attitude era of the latter 1990's, the average fan age was early 20's. The average WWE wrestling fan now is mid 40's, I was surprised by that.
Correct - these figures are from 2013

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Not surprised by the low ratings for Basketball. It is mostly a GTA, Southern Ontario thing in Canada from my observations. Using my little brother and his friends as a guide (he is a university student) they do stream some things, but very little basketball. For them the raptors are something to watch if you have nothing to do but no real passion for it. Plus with temperatures in around 20 they are outside rather than watching basketball.
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Last night’s Game 7 Toronto Raptors win against the Indiana Pacers had an average audience of 1.53 million viewers, making it the most-watched Raptors game ever in Canada.

The game reached 4.4 million Canadians, with audience levels peaking at 2.63 million at 10:30 p.m. ET as the Raptors clinched a berth in Round 2 of the 2016 NBA Playoffs.

It was the most-watched program in Canada on Sunday night.
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Who’s going where: CFL prospects and their NFL opportunities
Drew Edwards http://3downnation.com May 1, 2016

With the NFL draft now over, CFL prospects are now in the process of securing free agent contracts and invites to mini-camp.

Generally speaking, a player who has been drafted has the best chance of actually making an NFL squad while a free agent contract is the next best thing. A mini-camp invite offers little by the way of guarantees for a player, though Canadian players have parlayed them into NFL contracts (most notably current Carolina Panthers offensive lineman David Foucault and Hamilton Tiger-Cats defensive tackle Linden Gaydosh in 2013.)

The three-day NFL rookie mini-camps will be held either May 6-9 or May 13-16. The New York Giants, who have invited five of the top-ranked CFL prospects, will hold their rookie mini-camp on May 6-9.

The CFL Draft, meanwhile, takes place on May 10. That means teams could be drafting players without a clear picture as to their availability for the upcoming CFL season. Canadian rookie camps are set to open on May 25, with main training camp starting on May 29.

Here is a look at top 20 prospects, as ranked by CFL central scouting, and their NFL prospects.

1 David Onyemata (Manitoba) DL Drafted by Saints
2 Tevaun Smith (Iowa) REC Signed as a free agent by Colts
3 Mehsi Abdesmad (Boston College) DL Signed as a free agent by Titans
4 Arjen Colquhoun (Michigan State) DB Signed as a free agent by Cowboys
5 Josiah St. John (Oklahoma) OL
6 Charles Vaillancourt (Laval) OL Attending mini-camp with Giants, Raiders
7 Alex Singleton (Montana State) LB Attending mini-camp with Patriots
8 Trent Corney (Virginia) DL Attending mini-camp with Jets
9 Philippe Gagnon (Laval) OL Attending mini-camp with Giants
10 Brian Jones (Acadia) WR
11 Taylor Loffler (UBC) DB Attending mini-camp with Giants
12 Juwan Brescacin (Northern illinois) WR
13 Mercer Timmis (Calgary) RB Attending mini-camp with Giants
14 Dillon Guy (Buffalo) OL
15 Anthony Thompson (Southern Illinois) DB
16 Michael Couture (Simon Fraser) OL
17 Jason Lauzon-Seguin (Laval) OL
18 Elie Bouka (Calgary) DB Signed as a free agent by Arizona
19 Llevi Noel (Toronto) REC
20 Doug Corby (Queens) REC Attending mini-camp with Giants
– Brandon Revenberg (Grand Valley State) OL Attending mini-camp with Giants
– D.J. Lalama (Manitoba) LB Attending mini-camp with Giants
– Mike Jones (Southern) REC Attending mini-camp with Redskins
– Terrell Davis (UBC) LB Attending mini-camp with Giants
- Quinn van Gylswyk (UBC) K/P Attending mini-camp with Giants
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Awesome TV numbers for that game last night. Wow.

The city is definitely a buzz.

Between the Raptors Game 7 win and the Leafs winning the Draft Lottery - it was definitely a good weekend for Toronto sports fans.
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Thought some of you might find this interesting. Red Kelly, Jean Belliveau and Gordie Howe all graciously repping pro hockey on the long time panel show To Tell the Truth. Man, even as a young fella that Belliveau was all class.

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And keeping with the panel show theme here is an appearance by Gordie Howe on What's My Line in 1973

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Found a couple more Canadian guests on To Tell the Truth, curling legend Ernie Richardson and gymnast Ernestine Russell

Ernie Richardson was the skip of the Regina-based team made up of his brother Garnet and cousins Arnold and Wes during the late 1950s and early 1960s. In 1963, Wes Richardson was suffering from back issues, and was replaced on the team by Mel Perry. The team was dominant on the Canadian curling scene during this time.

Starting in 1959, Richardson's team won the Canadian Championship four times in five years and captured four World Championships. With their first victory in 1959, they were the youngest team to win the Brier at the time.

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Ernestine Russell is a Canadian former gymnast and American former college gymnastics coach. She represented Canada in the 1956 and 1960 Summer Olympics.

Although Russell won no medals in her two Olympic appearances, she is regarded as Canada's first notable female Olympic gymnast and contributed significantly to the growing popularity of women's gymnastics in Canada and the United States.

Russell later became a college gymnastics coach, leading the women's programs at Clarion State College and the University of Florida, where her teams won three college national championships.

If you look at her size, shape, style and hair, she became the prototype for what modern female gymnasts would look like, differing from those that were competing from the Eastern bloc into the late 60s who looked more like contestant number three. (elly) Start video at (16:27)

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The CIS might be Canada's best-kept sporting secret
Andrew Bucholtz Eh Game 3 May, 2016

Canada has devoted fans for sports from hockey to football to basketball to curling and well beyond, but all of those sports are contested at a high level nationally where they don't draw much attention.

That would be Canadian Interuniversity Sport, which has 56 member universities from coast to coast with 11,500 athletes, and regulates national competition in 12 different sports (men's football, women's rugby and field hockey, and men's and women's basketball, cross-country, curling, hockey, soccer, swimming, track and field, volleyball and wrestling; many universities also compete in other sports on more regional levels). CIS has produced countless highly-successful Olympians and other professional athletes, and its competitions make for great viewing at a cheap price, but they're off the radar for many Canadian sports fans.

That's why there's something to be said for University of Calgary Dinos' quarterback Andrew Buckley's comments Monday (after being honoured as Canada's top male university athlete at the BLG Awards; Olympic-bound swimmer Kylie Masse from the University of Toronto Varsity Blues was named the top female athlete) about how CIS deserves more attention:

Buckley is right; CIS is remarkably and consistently underrated on the Canadian sports landscape, and that's unfortunate. The quality of play in a wide variety of sports is incredibly high; football turns out vast numbers of CFL prospects (and a few NFL prospects and draftees, like the Manitoba Bisons' David Onyemata, picked by the New Orleans Saints in the fourth round this year) year after year (Buckley himself is an impressive prospect, too; he was drafted by the CFL's Calgary Stampeders last year, and now will have the rare chance to make that league as a Canadian quarterback), while men's hockey is full of ex-major junior players (and has perhaps a better level of play across the board than junior, as those players now have more experience than they did in the junior ranks) and has produced NHLers like Joel Ward.

Men's volleyball is one of the few sports where top CIS teams often beat top NCAA teams, but that's happened in men's basketball too (especially when it comes to the Carleton Ravens' dynasty), and both produce countless players who go on to professional careers in Europe. Women's rugby, soccer, hockey, basketball and more produce numerous Canadian Olympians and some professional athletes, and plenty of other Olympians come through CIS schools in sports like swimming and track and field. Despite all this, CIS doesn't draw a lot of attention.

The interesting thing about Buckley's comments is that he comes from a sport (football) that draws far more attention than anything else in CIS, and he played at a school where football regularly draws a big audience. Even there, though, things are far from perfect. The national championship, the Vanier Cup, has seen some fantastic games and some great attention for them over the last few years, particularly for the Vanier Cup-Grey Cup pairing in 2011 and 2012, but that pairing isn't returning any time soon thanks to CIS' desire to hold their championship separately from the CFL's and their decision to sign a TV deal with Sportsnet rather than with CFL partner TSN. An ambitious and promising privately-funded 2015 plan to create a national schedule for the top teams and generate more television exposure was approved by Canada West, but vetoed by Ontario and Quebec, so that fell apart. Meanwhile, national TV coverage of CIS football has decreased, especially after Sportsnet (which took over previous CIS broadcaster The Score in 2012) decided to stop showing OUA regular-season games in 2014. There's still weekly Canada West coverage on Shaw TV and Access, and there are streaming options for many games, but it's tough for many to regularly watch CIS football.

Things are mostly worse if you're a fan of other CIS sports. Yes, there's some TV coverage around the championships, but hockey, basketball and other sports get very little attention during the season. Technology helps here, as CIS has generally done a good job of embracing streaming and webcasts, but those are only going to draw in those who are already passionate about the sport. Buckley's comments are particularly illustrative of where things are at; he played for one of the highest-profile teams in what's probably CIS' highest-profile sport, he's received a rare shot to try and make the CFL as a Canadian quarterback, he was just named Canada's top male athlete at the university level, and he's still largely anonymous to many. It's great to see him speaking out like this about the value of Canadian university sports, though, and hopefully other prominent CIS alumni will add their voices to his.

There does appear to be some hope for CIS. New CEO Graham Brown, who took over last fall, left a very good job as Rugby Canada's CEO in order to do so, and it seems unlikely he'd do that if he didn't believe in the organization's potential. Brown's background is highly promising, as he did an excellent job of raising rugby to greater prominence on the Canadian scene, and he may be able to do some of the same at the CIS level.

There are numerous challenges with CIS, particularly with balancing different regions, different schools, different sports and their differing goals, but some of the schools and regional federations seem to be coming around to the idea that they're going to have to work together to grow the whole pie and that they're going to have to market their sports in order to succeed in the long run. They're also looking hard for sponsors, and if they can find some good ones, that could help these sports gain higher prominence and larger audiences. It might even help convince TV networks that they deserve to be aired.

Whether CIS succeeds or fails with its marketing initiatives, though, its sports can still be an incredible opportunity for sports fans. There's a tremendously high level of competition in most of these sports, and tickets to anything from a regular-season game to a regional or national championship are generally very cheap. It's worth taking a look at nearby universities to see if they compete in any sports you're interested in, and if so, checking out a game; you'll probably be impressed.

Beyond the level of play, there's also the fun of cheering for a school you went to or a local school, something that's helped NCAA sports rise to their staggering level of popularity. CIS has its issues on the marketing and television sides, and isn't anywhere close to the NCAA's profile, but it's already got an excellent product in a wide variety of sports. That makes it underrated, as Buckley said, but it also makes it perhaps Canadian sports' best-kept secret.
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The interesting thing about Buckley's comments is that he comes from a sport (football) that draws far more attention than anything else in CIS, and he played at a school where football regularly draws a big audience. Even there, though, things are far from perfect. The national championship, the Vanier Cup, has seen some fantastic games and some great attention for them over the last few years, particularly for the Vanier Cup-Grey Cup pairing in 2011 and 2012, but that pairing isn't returning any time soon thanks to CIS' desire to hold their championship separately from the CFL's and their decision to sign a TV deal with Sportsnet rather than with CFL partner TSN. An ambitious and promising privately-funded 2015 plan to create a national schedule for the top teams and generate more television exposure was approved by Canada West, but vetoed by Ontario and Quebec, so that fell apart. Meanwhile, national TV coverage of CIS football has decreased, especially after Sportsnet (which took over previous CIS broadcaster The Score in 2012) decided to stop showing OUA regular-season games in 2014. There's still weekly Canada West coverage on Shaw TV and Access, and there are streaming options for many games, but it's tough for many to regularly watch CIS football.
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This was a very stupid decision by the CIS... It was creating more and more of a buzz for the Vanier and creating more and more interest. Grey Cup weekend was turning into more of a "Canadian Football" weekend, with many choosing to take in the Vanier Cup on Saturday night on top of the Grey Cup the next day.

I get their desire to set themselves apart... but it was a bit of a cut off your nose to spite your face moment. Same with going with Sportsnet. I'd argue it's actually brought them less coverage and exposure.

As to the "top teams" plan... I'm glad Quebec and Ontario vetoed it... For me, it'd have been a 3rd strike to join the other two above.
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^ CIS' priority has never really been to gain public exposure. Which in some ways is too bad, as it would be able to help far more student-athletes if it was successful in marketing its product.

You get the impression that they think it would somehow taint the sanctity of their organization if they started to capitalize on it too much.
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Oh, I think you'll see that attitude changing especially with private investors supporting teams like Laval etc.

The best thing to happens to the CIS would be to organize an 8-10 team Superleague (hockey, football, basketball and volleyball) and also play exhibitions in the US to prove to Canadians how good the product actually is.
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As to the "top teams" plan... I'm glad Quebec and Ontario vetoed it... For me, it'd have been a 3rd strike to join the other two above.
Why would that be bad?
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Why would that be bad?
I like the current set-up where you actually get a truly national champion. All teams are involved and the best go forward and into the various levels of the tournament. For me, regardless of whether we think the "best" teams are in the superleague, it will always feel a little tainted for a champion to be declared when all universities/athletes didn't get the same chance to make it to the championship.

For me it feels like they are trying to be the NCAA with that type of set-up where you have the Big 10, or whatever other groupings they use... But Canada is small enough and we have a system that works well enough that it really isn't necessary. The thing holding the CIS back from being bigger isn't the current set-up of the leagues... it's the way they have gone about their media partnerships. Sportsnet was supposed to run a lot more programming, but basically signed the contract and did nothing.

If they set up a "super league" of sorts, I also wouldn't be surprised if the universities left out just decided to pursue some NCAA partnership like Simon Fraser instead of trying to get something going with what's left over... which in the end would harm the CIS more than help it.
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I like the current set-up where you actually get a truly national champion. All teams are involved and the best go forward and into the various levels of the tournament. For me, regardless of whether we think the "best" teams are in the superleague, it will always feel a little tainted for a champion to be declared when all universities/athletes didn't get the same chance to make it to the championship.
I think they were planning a way for both you and I to get what we want.
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