Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

[delts145]

Originally Posted by arkhitektor

As for the houses around it, the craftsmanship may be higher than normal, but the overall feel of the neighborhood is one of gaudy mansions cobbled together in no particular style as each person tries to out-do the neighbors. While I was there, I actually saw some kids on their way to visit the neighbors a few houses down the street -- in a golf cart.

I couldn't disagree with you more Ark. One of the things most impressive about the different homes on many of the streets in that northeast section of Draper was their variety of styles. I saw more variety, whether authentic Craftsman, Georgian, French country, etc. than most places in the valley, no matter what the price range. You should take a more thorough drive around. It would be nice to see some of the detailing on those homes applied to some of the Hamlet projects.

[cololi]

Originally Posted by Stenar

I hate neighborhoods where all the houses are of one style. When I walk around my neighborhood in Sugar House, I rarely see two houses even remotely alike.

If you look at mass home builders, they all offer a dozen or so styles of homes and are usually within one subdivision. I don't really see all homes being one style in say an Ivory Homes development or a Richmond America or whatever. When I walk around my sugarhoouse neighborhood, I see many homes that are essentially the same thing. My neighbors house is the exact same shape and floor plan as mine. The differnce is in the details: red brick vs brown, my brick is rough, his is smooth. My door is arched, his is square. This seems to be the biggest difference between older neighborhoods and newer neighborhoods: the details are not great enough in new neighborhoods to differentiate between adjacent structures. Maybe this comes with age, because there are entire streets in Sugarhouse that were obviously build by the same home buildder right after WWII. See the area between 1700-2100 South and 1700 East and 2100 2100 East.

[arkhitektor]

I appreciate a variety of styles, thats what makes authentic Salt Lake neighborhoods like Federal Heights, the Avenues and Sugarhouse so unique.

What I see in the Corner Canyon area of Draper is a hodge-podge of styles plucked from all over the place not to create architectural diversity, but to show off how much money was spent on them. (Like the sprawling castle at the top of Canyon Vine Cove)

There are a number of distinct historical styles that have authentic roots in Salt Lake's history. French Country is not one of them. Also, a careful study of the eave, trim, window and roof details of the homes in the area would reveal that while a lot of attention and money were spent on them, the detailing is not authentic to the style that is being replicated. Take this house near the temple:



Its a nice big house in the "French Country" style, it probably has many nice features but when you consider the minute details, there isn't much about it that is authentic.

It really comes down to a matter of personal style preferences. There are gobs of developments in the valley that replicate Tuscan or French Country or Georgian design, they certainly create a diversity of styles, but they don't really have any authentic connection to the area's architectural history. People just think that they look nice and are willing to pay a lot of money for them.

I'd rather see an effort to create authentic diversity within a connected community like we see in SLC's older neighborhoods or what is being replicated at Daybreak than a neighborhood like the one coming up around the temple in Draper where people live in gated mansions and travel around by golf cart.

[delts145]

this is more of the type of quality idicative of the homes I was talking about in that area, also many different styles of the same quality.


C'mon now Ark, I guess I'm going to have to take a camera around myself, since you insist on only showing a shot of what I would consider one of the ugliest houses in the vicinity. I saw dozens more homes, each of which were infinitely more attractive than what you have pictured above, or of the many dated looking homes in the Federal Heights, or for that matter a good number of the homes in the Avenues. Granted there are alot of homes in the older neighborhoods, which I am very fond of, but there are also a number of uglies, as with anywhere. I suppose we could take just about any neighborhood and put a negative spin on it.

Funny how the many times I've been up in that area I've never once seen a group of kids driving around in their parents golf cart. I've seen a lot of kids playing out in the yards or around the neighborhood, but never any in golf carts. Hmmm.... I guess I must be missing all of those evil parents who are sending their kids to hell in a hand basket, or golf cart in this instance.

[arkhitektor]

There are certainly some great homes in Draper, like the one you posted above. All in all however, Draper just isn't my cup of tea. Especially in the area just around the temple - there are a number of tastelessly large homes.

I guess if I ever had the kind of money it would take to buy one of those homes, I'd much rather buy the same house in Federal Heights than Draper, just for the type of neighborhood I'd prefer to live in.

[T-Mac]

Outdoor Retailer parent may bring even bigger show to Utah -- if a 1,000-room hotel is built
By Frances Johnson
The Enterprise

For the 11th year in a row, Salt Lake City played host this past weekend to Outdoor Retailer Summer Market, one of the largest trade shows in the outdoor sports and equipment industry. Salt Lake will also host the Winter Market trade show in January. According to Shawn Stinson, director of communications for the Salt Lake Convention & Visitors Bureau, more than 22,000 retailers, manufacturers and suppliers were expected to attend this year's Outdoor Retailer Summer Market, with a conservative expected economic impact of $19 million.

"Outdoor retailer attendees typically spend a greater amount than our other attendees," Stinson said.

Outdoor Retailer is owned and managed by Nielsen Sports Group, a division of media ratings giant Nielsen Business Media. According to Joseph Flynn, vice president of the firm's sports group, this year's show occupied 400,000 net square feet, including every inch of available space at the Energy Solutions Arena and represented the biggest year for Outdoor Retailer yet.

The show, which is not open to the public, provides an opportunity for retailers to do pre-season ordering of everything from fabric to apparel to equipment. Buying power at the trade show is north of $33 billion, Flynn said.

In addition to Outdoor Retailer, Nielsen Sports Group, the world's largest owner of sports-related trade shows, operates a ski show in Denver and a bicycle show in Las Vegas, both of which they would consider moving to Salt Lake City if the necessary amenities, including a 1,000-room convention hotel, were available.

While there are no plans currently under way to build a convention hotel in Salt Lake City, Stinson said, the Salt Lake Convention & Visitors Buereau is always looking for and talking to interested hotel developers and operators, and would welcome the addition of more hotel and convention space to Salt Lake.

"We, like any other convention destination, will aggressively pursue any and all possible conventions that we could host," he said. "We would definitely not be opposed to having other large shows here."

[T-Mac]

Ivory Homes returns to SLC with condo project
By Debbi Olson
The Enterprise

After a short hiatus from building in the city, Ivory Homes is returning to Salt Lake City with a new condominium project to be located near Trolley Square.

Trolley Place Condominiums will be located at approximately 540 S. Denver St. and will be comprised of eight units in two three-story buildings.

"We're back in Salt Lake City," said Chris Gamvroulas, president of development for Ivory Homes. "We love Salt Lake City and had been there for a long time, but the ground that we had been developing we had built out. For about 10 years, half of all single-family permits that had been issued in Salt Lake City proper were for our homes."

The last project was West Point, located on the city's west side between 900 North and 2000 North and between Redwood Road and I-215, where Ivory built approximately 1,700 homes.

"Trolley Place is a fun little site. It's a small piece in Salt Lake City, very near Trolley Square, and we wanted to play off the proximity to a great community amenity, Trolley Square," Gamvroulas said. "It's only a block away from a TRAX stop, it's only a couple blocks away from Library Square and downtown, so it's within walking distance. We really liked the location."

The three-story units will range from 1,224 to 1,300 square feet and have two or three bedrooms. Each unit will have an attached two-car garage.

"The three story units will have the garage underneath and living space on two floors above it," Gamvroulas said. "It has very urban feel to it."

The style of the Trolley Place condominiums is a new product in the Ivory Homes catalog. The company used an architect from Scottsdale, Ariz., to come up with the designs.

"They are very fresh, totally different and new to the Ivory palette," Gamvroulas said. "It looks very urban from the outside, a lot of straight lines, a lot of articulation in the building. It has a flat roof, metal awnings and every unit will have a private deck off the second floor."

The two buildings will face each other with a drive aisle between them leading to the garages. The front doors will face out onto a common green area on either side.

Ground is expected to be broken later this month with the project expected to be complete by the end of the year. The units will be for sale, though price points have not been determined.

[ski_steve]

Yet another reason to build a new convention hotel. I wish the city would realize the potential of the empty sites around the city and place the hotel in one of them, especially the sites by the Salt Palace

[T-Mac]

Forbes ranks Utah second best place to do business in U.S.
The Enterprise

For the second consecutive year, Utah has received top accolades from Forbes magazine's annual state rankings of the "Best State for Business."

Forbes compares the states in six subcategories. Utah improved on last year's rankings in labor, cost of business and growth prospects. Although Virginia maintained its No. 1 placement, Forbes was careful to point out that the gap between the two states is now "razor thin."

As the day-to-day intangibles are more frequently sought by the nation's business community, it is especially notable that Utah improved from No. 12 last year to No. 8 in the 2008 Quality of Life rankings. Forbes isn't the only one to take notice. When discussing their recent move to Utah, chairman and president of Allegheny Technologies, Patrick Hassey, pointed out that the quality of life was a major factor in the firm's decision-making process.

"We selected Utah for this significant investment, because it is an ideal place to do business," Hassey said. "The state provides a wonderfully innovative environment, a fantastic place to live and a supportive government."

[T-Mac]

Sorry guys. I just noticed that I put all of the article in the wrong thread. Will someone move them to the Salt Lake development thread for me. I'm not sure how to copy it over there.

[Viperlord]

Originally Posted by T-Mac

Sorry guys. I just noticed that I put all of the article in the wrong thread. Will someone move them to the Salt Lake development thread for me. I'm not sure how to copy it over there.

I got your back covered. I also posted some renderings of the Trolley Place condos on the official SLC thread.

[T-Mac]

Thanks.

[cololi]

Originally Posted by stevena07

Yet another reason to build a new convention hotel. I wish the city would realize the potential of the empty sites around the city and place the hotel in one of them, especially the sites by the Salt Palace

I think the city realizes it, it's just that a developer has not committed. With the travel industry going the way it is, who knows what will happen with a convention hotel in SLC. There isn't a site in the immediate vicinity that does not have some serious obstacles to overcomes, so it isn't going to be easy or cheap. Perhpas the easiest and most cost effective thing would be to somehow put it on the Salt Palace site, much as urban boy showed. That would significantly reduce land costs for a potential developer, but to get adequate underground parking may not be possible there without some serious alterations to the Salt Palace, that may negate the land savings.

[DMTower]

Originally Posted by cololi

I think the city realizes it, it's just that a developer has not committed. With the travel industry going the way it is, who knows what will happen with a convention hotel in SLC. There isn't a site in the immediate vicinity that does not have some serious obstacles to overcomes, so it isn't going to be easy or cheap. Perhpas the easiest and most cost effective thing would be to somehow put it on the Salt Palace site, much as urban boy showed. That would significantly reduce land costs for a potential developer, but to get adequate underground parking may not be possible there without some serious alterations to the Salt Palace, that may negate the land savings.

I think Marriott should strike a deal with City Creek Center that once CCC's parking is in place, Marriott can use that parking while they demolish the north side of their lot and build a new north tower to create 1000 rooms... this way Marriott can keep their existing rooms open while they add on where their current parking structure is.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by T-Mac

While there are no plans currently under way to build a convention hotel in Salt Lake City, Stinson said, the Salt Lake Convention & Visitors Buereau is always looking for and talking to interested hotel developers and operators, and would welcome the addition of more hotel and convention space to Salt Lake.

Well then they better get their butts in gear before another city ( say Sandy ) ends up getting that.

[Makid]

There is nothing to worry about Projects. Sandy in no way can pull off a 1000 room convention hotel. The convention center there isn't big enough to demand it.

I like the thought that DMTower had regarding the location of the 1000 room convention hotel.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by DMTower

I think Marriott should strike a deal with City Creek Center that once CCC's parking is in place, Marriott can use that parking while they demolish the north side of their lot and build a new north tower to create 1000 rooms... this way Marriott can keep their existing rooms open while they add on where their current parking structure is.

I like that idea DMTower!!

[Orlando]

(see my comments in the CCC thread.) CCC Tower 2 is on hold, so maybe the idea of a new Marriott sharing the CCC parking is a good idea. Except, there is no room to the north of the existing Marriott. Why not replace residential tower 2(which is directly adjacent to the east of the existing Marriott) with a new large Marriott hotel?

[Orlando]

Pair of hotels, water park amenity, to be built in West Valley City
Enterprise, The, Jul 14, 2008 by Olson, Debbi
E-mail Print Link Two new hotels with a shared water park amenity have broken ground in West Valley City near the E-Center.

Staybridge Suites and Holiday Inn Express will add 191 new hotel rooms to the area, which hasn't seen a new hotel built in the past 10 years. The combined hotels and water park are being called E-Center Hotels.

"We think that West Valley is going to be an attractive deal because you have all the shopping, movie theaters, restaurants and entertainment nearby," said Jeff Stockert, president and chief executive officer of E Lodging and Utah Hospitality, an Aberdeen, S.D. development company that has also built hotels in the International Center and near the airport as well as in Tooele and a new project being planned in downtown Salt Lake City.

[Orlando]

Viper, did you alkready post this?

Work under way on Holladay condos, developer plans downtown midrise
Enterprise, The, Jul 14, 2008 by Rattle, Barbara
E-mail Print Link JAR Development, Holladay, has broken ground for a 28-unit, five-story condominium project in Holladay and is seeking approval from Salt Lake City to construct an 11-story, high-end downtown condo and apartment project that could contain as many as 140 units.

Company principal Jay Rice said Millcreek Terrace, 3944 S. 900 E., is well under way, and nearly half its units already have been sold. Parking will be on the ground level, while floors two and three will house two-bedroom condos measuring between 1,050 and 1,210 square feet. Levels four and five will be penthouses ranging in size from 1,050 to 1,950 square feet, each with three bedrooms, he said. Prices range from $259,900 to $650,000.


Features will include nine-foot ceilings - 10-foot in the penthouses - and all units will have gas fireplaces and balconies with substantial views as the project will be the tallest building in the area. The 1.5-acre site will be 50 percent landscaped, Rice said.

The firm's next endeavor has the working name of Lexie Towers. Rice said he is in preliminary entitlement negotiations with Salt Lake City for an 11-story luxury condo project just east of the Heber Wells state office building on 300 South in downtown Salt Lake City. The site presently houses a bank building which Rice said he is in the process of buying from Gaddis Investments, Salt Lake City.

"We've got the land under contract and have paid some money down on it, so we'll have the deal done in about three months," he said.

As envisioned, Lexie Towers would feature three levels of underground parking, ground level commercial and six floors of apartments crowned by four levels of luxury condos. The number of units in the project has not been determined, but Rice said there will probably be between 120 and 140.

Other projects completed by JAR Development include Holladay Farms, Holladay Pines and Garden Village, all in Holladay.

Royer Management Group is contractor on the Millcreek Terrace project, designed by Brent Hilton. Marketing is being conducted in-house.

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