noirish Los Angeles

[ethereal_reality]

I can't even spell Pinafore.

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[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by Beaudry

Thanks so much for posting the images of the Ponet Apartment Building (later the Ponet Square Hotel) Beaudry. I think they're great.


Earlier today I happened upon a rather [remarkable] horizontal photograph of oil workers.


FOUND HERE



As you can see:
The Ponet Apartment Building is in the background, on the far left end, of the horizontal photo shown above


DETAIL

lol. A first I thought the street lights were on. oops-they're not even street lights. *checks glasses*




The site includes several close-ups. (like the one above)

If anyone thinks they can stitch them together......PLEASE DO! (I don't know how)

Here are the segments provided. [in order]


DETAIL


It appears they brought their own mini-me oil well.




DETAIL. for search purposes: Oil Worker's Union Local ? 27






for search purposes: Oil Field, Gas Well Refinery Workers of America. No.36 (twice)


Now I'm curious about the building behind the guy with the bow-tie. ------->

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This last one shows the writing in the lower right corner.


DETAIL / for search purposes: 1070 M.F.Weaver (small numbers I can't read) 1196 W. 38th St. Los Angeles

The framed photograph is for sale for $450.00]

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[Scott Charles]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

I was never able to find a photograph of (Kate Mantilini).

That's a shame. She sounds like a very unique woman, I was thinking of trying to find a photo of her, too.

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

Apparently it was both of the sons, described by the employees there as "idiots", who were ultimately responsible for the restaurant closing. The mother didn't want to run it any more and turned it over to the sons who didn't want to, either. Nor did they want to sell the business to anyone else. I was told that many of the numerous regular patrons wanted to buy it or take it over. The sons just wanted money and so they shut it down and, as yet, I don't believe they've sold the property to anyone else. Did I say "idiots?"

It's nice to finally hear the story of what happened, thanks, Martin. At the time I was shocked, thinking how can a long-standing restaurant like that, with great food, go under? It's sad to learn that the business was destroyed by idiots.

I've read that only a third of businesses survive after being inherited by offspring.

“many of the numerous regular patrons wanted to buy it or take it over”... this makes me angry. The restaurant could still be operational, were it not for the greed of the sons.

Idiots is right.

[Scott Charles]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Earlier today I happened upon a rather [remarkable] horizontal photograph of oil workers.

If anyone thinks they can stitch them together......PLEASE DO! (I don't know how)

Here are the segments provided. [in order]

Here you go, ER:



Click on the image to see the full-sized version - it's too wide to post on the forum.

[HossC]

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger

More noirish frame grabs! These are from T-Men (1947) which I viewed this past weekend. There are oodles of location shots. Some locations are obvious, others obscure.

I haven't found any trace of the West Coast Camera Center, Hollywood Ice Cream Co (below) or Hall's, but Hall's may have been real as it doesn't play any more than background scenery in the movie. Here's a look up the street with Hall's on the left.



This is the store next to the West Coast Camera Center. I could only make out a billboard in the reflection.



Finally, I guess this is supposed to be the Federal Building. The view of the Plaza, Union Station etc is about right, but I think the angle of the windows is wrong.



All screengrabs Edward Small Productions/Reliance Pictures

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger

I think he meant Pinafore. Here's one.

Isn't that Dorothy in Kansas? I believe that's Toto too. Toto was played by a female brindle Cairn Terrier named Terry. She was paid a $125 salary each week.

[ethereal_reality]

Fantastic job Scott Charles!

Originally Posted by Scott Charles

Here you go, ER:

Click on the image to see the full-sized version

I know that we covered all the churches in this area but I can never keep them straight.


What church belonged to the two turrets shown below? (normal peaked turret; left. pith helmet; right) It really does look like a pith helmet!)




annnnd....I never noticed the three daughters and mother in the photograph. (initially, I thought the daughters were part of the billboard behind them)






Very seldom (if ever) have I pointed out a doppelganger of mine...but this one is even the same height! (i.e. short)

Do you see which one I'm talking about?



Have any of you ever found a doppelganger in an old photgraph?

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[ethereal_reality]

One more question. Why are the oil workers posing on this particular street? [Grand Ave.] Was their headquarters nearby?

(I wasn't able to find any answers in the city directories)

[ethereal_reality]

Does anyone remember my post, from a few weeks ago, about a mystery park called Glen Rosa?

this place..with the spiral hedge

old file / unknown origin

At the time, the only information I had was that it was located in Pasadena and that the park
included occult symbols. Zodiac perhaps?


Well, I finally have a lead.

"Down the street from Carmelita(?), was the estate of Thomas Nelmes, called 'Glen Rosa'.
Nelmes was a wealthy Scottish born tea merchant from London. Nelmes' thirty acres extended
from California north to Palmetto...and west into the bottom of the Arroyo. Unlike the other properties in town,
Glen Rose was primarily planted as an ornamental garden. Its design harked back to a long tradition of the garden
as a sacred place, a place for meditation and revelation. The garden was filled with unusual and whimsical
ornamental devices borrowed from European landscape traditions, including representation of occult signs.
A cypress bower in the shape of a triangle marked the entrance to the property on Orange Grove." found HERE


See, I wasn't crazy after all! *hops around room*

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[Bristolian]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Very seldom (if ever) have I pointed out a doppelganger of mine...but this one is even the same height! (i.e. short)

Do you see which one I'm talking about?



Have any of you ever found a doppelganger in an old photgraph?

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e_r, I'm guessing it's the guy in the middle with the light colored coat but it's kinda hard to tell when he doesn't have a green apple in front of his face.

[Handsome Stranger]

Originally Posted by HossC

I haven't found any trace of the West Coast Camera Center, Hollywood Ice Cream Co (below) or Hall's, but Hall's may have been real as it doesn't play any more than background scenery in the movie. Here's a look up the street with Hall's on the left.



This is the store next to the West Coast Camera Center. I could only make out a billboard in the reflection.

Hokey smoke, I hope someone can track down the locations of Hall's and the Hollywood Ice Cream Co! Have we previously seen any street lights like the one in that first image? And those smog-laden hills! Fascinating stuff.

[Handsome Stranger]

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

Isn't that Dorothy in Kansas?

Well, technically it's Frances in Culver City.

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger

Well, technically it's Frances in Culver City.

gif town

[HossC]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I know that we covered all the churches in this area but I can never keep them straight.

What church belonged to the two turrets shown below? (normal peaked turret; left. pith helmet; right) It really does look like a pith helmet!)

It's the First Evangelical Church at 12th and Hope, seen here circa 1918. The address was 1150 S Hope. Note that the photo below actually shows 12th Street.

"View of Hope Street where a variety of religious agencies are located. From left to right, the First Evangelical Church, located on the corner of Hope and 12th streets, the Los Angeles Chautauqua Association, and The Federation Book and Bible Store."


LAPL

Here's the church a few years earlier (circa 1913). In the foreground is Fiesta Park. This image was previously seen in GW's post #11440.

"Fiesta Park is a defunct grandstand in Los Angeles, located at 12th & Hope. The First Evangelical Church is in the background.

Long rows of policemen in uniform stand at attention while a car with dignitaries passes by them in review. An American flag can be seen being held by one of the units. This review was held in Fiesta Park."


LAPL

Finally, here's a reminder of where Fiesta Park was located.

Originally Posted by tovangar2

Fiesta Park (on the next block over) was a surprise to me:


http://www.bigmapblog.com/2011/birds...f-los-angeles/

[MartinTurnbull]

A regular follower of my vintage photo blog sent me this photo of his family standing at the corner of 7th and Alvarado Streets. MacArthur Park was behind the photographer and Langer’s Deli was across the street (as it still is.) Because of those US Marine and Army photos next to them, I thought this was taken during WWII but the year was actually 1952, so those posters were for Korean War recruitment. I love that semaphore traffic signal right behind them, but I’m also wondering if anybody remembers the store behind them—Charleston’s. What did they sell?

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by HossC

It's the First Evangelical Church at 12th and Hope, seen here circa 1918. The address was 1150 S Hope. Note that the photo below actually shows 12th Street.

"View of Hope Street where a variety of religious agencies are located. From left to right, the First Evangelical Church, located on the corner of Hope and 12th streets, the Los Angeles Chautauqua Association, and The Federation Book and Bible Store."


LAPL

Here's the church a few years earlier (circa 1913). In the foreground is Fiesta Park. This image was previously seen in GW's post #11440.

"Fiesta Park is a defunct grandstand in Los Angeles, located at 12th & Hope. The First Evangelical Church is in the background.

Long rows of policemen in uniform stand at attention while a car with dignitaries passes by them in review. An American flag can be seen being held by one of the units. This review was held in Fiesta Park."


LAPL

Finally, here's a reminder of where Fiesta Park was located.

The Fiesta Park had a tall 10 foot wall on several sides that prevented people from getting a free view of the various events. It was not really a ''park'' in the usual sense, it was a venue for bicycle racing events and other doings. It was finally closed in 1916. The bicycle racing was very contentious with many charges of unfairness. Most of the spectators left their seats unhappy.

[GaylordWilshire]

More Perry Mason


I don't think any series recycled sets, cars, or actors more than Perry Mason-- I haven't seen all espisodes, but here is a house I hadn't seen used before, and I pegged it for a real one, not one on a backlot.... Only the front door is shown, but the style and the number were good clues to finding the location.



Peggy Knudsen, Karl Weber, and Mary La Roche all played different characters in different episodes...


"160" and the style suggested to me Hancock Park or Windsor Square a block or so below 1st St...a little google cruise...and up turned 160 S June St:




Completed in 1932--arch Arthur Kelly


What's especially curious about this house is that it was owned at the time the PM episode was filmed by Suzanne Adams, a daughter of King Vidor.... I wonder, other than that since she was getting divorced at the time and might have liked the rental fee, how the house came to be used for filming. Industry connections, I suppose.


And it turned out that we've seen scenes of the "The Case of the Spurious Sister" here on NLA before...

First in Earl Boebert's post 31579 (2015) --here's Peggy Knudsen as a toothy gambleholic married to businessman Weber (they lived at 160 S June) on some errand in her Edsel...


The Corsair 4-door hardtop was seen in several episodes along with convertibles and others; the 52-53 Mercury with Continental kit at left seems to be used in street scenes in various episodes. Perhaps it belonged to a crew member and was used to fill in as a parked car...at right it appears in a shot also in Case of the Spurious Sister.


And from HossC's post 31591 (2015)


I'm not sure if this location was ever found....

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by HossC

It's the First Evangelical Church at 12th and Hope. The address was 1150 S Hope.

Hoss, thanks for the information on the that church looming in the background. I notice it has a German name on the map....Salem's Kirche and a Elementa(?)schaft (school)
....also Germanic: the Kaiser Apartments a block to the east. [next to the Pleasanton Hotel]]

&...it had slipped my mind that the Ponet Apts./Ponet Sq. Hotel anchored the southeast corner of Fiesta Park. I mean..jeeze.

I found a few more interesting facts about the surrounding area that I don't believe have come up on NLA.
but first I have to drive to Illinois. I'll post them later tonight.



off I go...

[ethereal_reality]

I'll post this real quick(ly)

'mystery' location.



UNTITLED - but the street sign says Pacific Coast Highway. / from the Los Angeles Documentary Project. [1980]

This PROJECT

See if you can solve it by the time I get to Illinois.

[BillinGlendaleCA]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I'll post this real quick(ly)

'mystery' location.



UNTITLED - but the street sign says Pacific Coast Highway. / from the Los Angeles Documentary Project. [1980]

This PROJECT

See if you can solve it by the time I get to Illinois.

PCH and Alameda in Willmington. There's an overpass for PCH there now that goes over Alameda and the Alameda corridor. Paramount Forge is still there.