Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

[Gastroc]

Daybreak like project in Riverton looking like it'll be approved

http://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/fait...project?page=2

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by Gastroc

Daybreak like project in Riverton looking like it'll be approved

http://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/fait...project?page=2

7 units per acre somehow constitutes transit oriented development? OK?

Honestly I think that 10 units per acre is the largest lot that should be enforced by a municipality in the Salt Lake Metro(lots can be larger but cities won't force them to be). Even then 10 per acre does not constitute TOD, let alone 7. It just ****** doesn't.

[Makid]

Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

7 units per acre somehow constitutes transit oriented development? OK?

Honestly I think that 10 units per acre is the largest lot that should be enforced by a municipality in the Salt Lake Metro(lots can be larger but cities won't force them to be). Even then 10 per acre does not constitute TOD, let alone 7. It just ****** doesn't.

That 7 per acre figure is for the total land area. They will be able to determine the layout and placement of the density.

By this, it means that if the total lot at 7 units per acre meant 700 units, the developer could put all 700 units on 1 acre and the rest could be shopping, parking and a park.

I am hoping that they will go to at least a modified 15 units per acre density or better.

Lastly, can we really call it a TOD when there isn't really any transit nearby currently? Maybe it should be called a DWoT (Development Waiting on Transit).

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

7 units per acre somehow constitutes transit oriented development? OK?

Honestly I think that 10 units per acre is the largest lot that should be enforced by a municipality in the Salt Lake Metro(lots can be larger but cities won't force them to be). Even then 10 per acre does not constitute TOD, let alone 7. It just ****** doesn't.

Nowhere in the article does it say this is going to be a TOD, especially since expanding TRAX to the development isn't even on the Wasatch 2040 plan.

[i-215]

Originally Posted by Liberty Wellsian

7 units per acre somehow constitutes transit oriented development? OK?

Honestly I think that 10 units per acre is the largest lot that should be enforced by a municipality in the Salt Lake Metro(lots can be larger but cities won't force them to be). Even then 10 per acre does not constitute TOD, let alone 7. It just ****** doesn't.

This county drives me nuts. I'm trying to help my parents design a smaller house on a 6000 square foot lot. Sure, SLCo allows a house on a 6000 square foot lot --- but then they require a 30 foot backyard, 25 foot front yard, 11 foot sideyards ... by the time I was done, I'm left with only 25x45 feet to plan an entire house.

We'll never get compact development when the county requires this sort of nonsense. It forces people to have to zone larger lots.

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by i-215

This county drives me nuts. I'm trying to help my parents design a smaller house on a 6000 square foot lot. Sure, SLCo allows a house on a 6000 square foot lot --- but then they require a 30 foot backyard, 25 foot front yard, 11 foot sideyards ... by the time I was done, I'm left with only 25x45 feet to plan an entire house.

We'll never get compact development when the county requires this sort of nonsense. It forces people to have to zone larger lots.

County or a particular City?

[i-215]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

County or a particular City?

Unincorporated county.

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by i-215

Unincorporated county.

Only 1 side yard need to be 11' (garage or driveway side), they other can be 5'. Or 8' on both sides.

The rear yard can be 15' with a garage. 30' without.

Hopefully you can make something work.

[Clark0501]

What is going on with Fashion Place Mall? I see they have announced a new Macy's, any other new stores? Do we have an renderings of what the completed project will look like?

[StevenF]

Originally Posted by Clark0501

What is going on with Fashion Place Mall? I see they have announced a new Macy's, any other new stores? Do we have an renderings of what the completed project will look like?

Here is something that was posted a few months back about the Fashion Place Mall expansion.

Originally Posted by delts145

Fashion Place mall expanding, adding new stores and restaurants

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...staurants.html

[asies1981]

South Salt Lake secured an anchor for its downtown development.

[Orlando]

That's hilarious. Winco?

[Liberty Wellsian]

Originally Posted by Orlando

That's hilarious. Winco?

A grocer there will make TODs more feasible on the blocks west of it. I wish the Main St Motel was a grocer.

[Future Mayor]

The only thing I don't like about it, and as the article stated, is that there isn't much engagement with Main St. I like that State St is getting some attention, but Main St is the more pedestrian friendly corridor and should really have at least one building that faces it. Even something as simple as making the Multi-family building on Central Point Way and Main, extend up Main just a few more feet, maybe up to the first grey parking island in the image.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if the Main St frontage developed in the future, as demand for more residential continues. Winco would still have a Main St exposure directly to the west of the store.

I also have to say that I'm not a huge fan of how Pad 2 and 3, while up against State, still have a suburban parking mentality incorporated into the design.

Liberty Wellsian is 100% correct, having another grocery store adjacent to the S-line will help increase residential densities to the west and along the entire line. Living anywhere along the current S-line and having two grocery store options within a few stops will be a huge catalyst in residential desirability. This will help to increase the entire purpose of the S-line and what street cars are designed for, to be a pedestrian accelerator.

The nice thing about it, is that the South Side of Central Point way also has huge potential and as the Winco area develops the south side could be designed to be more urban.

[Future Mayor]

Bigger plans than just a stadium for the Monarchs is now in the works and will be presented to the public in February.

Real Salt Lake owner Dell Loy Hansen has plans for ‘world-class’ soccer facility, academy in Salt Lake Valley

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/3441290...owner-dell-loy

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

Bigger plans than just a stadium for the Monarchs is now in the works and will be presented to the public in February.

Real Salt Lake owner Dell Loy Hansen has plans for ‘world-class’ soccer facility, academy in Salt Lake Valley

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/3441290...owner-dell-loy

Didn't RSL commit to building their academy in SLC when SLC lost the stadium to Sandy?

[TonyAnderson]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

There is also a 5-story residential development being constructed north of city hall. With a hiden parking structure behind the building. This development is probably the most urban-ish development I've seen yet for that area. I'm still waiting for that 25 story residential development to break ground.

Yeah, it's kind of an odd development as it's literally feet away from city hall ...you'd think they'd want that land for any future city-type buildings. But now you can view directly into their offices if you rent there.

[SL,UT]

Here is a video of the new 53rd corporate park in Murray. They have already started building demo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl7XLv0Qijk

[Future Mayor]

Wow, what a gorgeous shot of a sprawling parking lot there at the end. And I like that there outdoor gathering place live shots where filmed in an actual urban space (Gallivan Center) not a suburban office park.

It's better than what's there today and if they provide a shuttle to Murray Central it is a reasonable distance to Murray Central, but essentially it's just another suburban office park, off of a Freeway off-ramp.

It's a step in adding density to our built out cities in SL County, and hopefully a transit connection can be made that will actually be used. Again it's nicer than what's there now, but it's still just a suburban office park, making no effort to integrate with transit, at least not from the renderings.

Seriously, for those that work or have worked in a suburban office park, how often do you see more than two or three people outside in the open space areas, even during lunch time? From my experience, not many. Providing a cafe in one of the buildings helps a little bit, but people get sick of the same option day after day and 9 out of the 10 days they don't bring a lunch they are most likely going to go off site anyway.

Density, not pretty design creates usable spaces.

[SL,UT]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

Wow, what a gorgeous shot of a sprawling parking lot there at the end.

That parking lot is existing and belongs to the IHC employee services building.
I like that the new development utilizes parking structures.