Winnipeg Jets - Page 243

Oilkountry · #**4841** Posted **Sep 26, 2016, 8:31 PM**

The jets could really have trouba by the balls here. I think coming out publicly was a mistake. It was meant to put pressure on them to trade and really if i was chev i was just sit on this and listen to offers. See if he would rather sit a couple of years then play left wing

CoryB · #**4842** Posted **Sep 26, 2016, 8:55 PM**

Reality for Trouba is he owes the Jets four more seasons or he can sit out five season waiting to be an unrestricted free agent. If he isn't on a roster fairly early into the season memory of his pro career are going to fade pretty quickly. Morrissey must be smiling like a cheshire cat and what is falling into his lap with this mess. Bet he doesn't care how many minutes or what side of the ice he is going to be playing on....

bomberjet · #**4843** Posted **Sep 26, 2016, 9:30 PM**

I have an account on hfboards but don't think I've ever used it.

I think if Trouba isn't playing in the NHL by November, he'll be headed overseas. December 1 is the deadline date for the season. If he's unsigned by then, he sits for the whole year.

optimusREIM · #**4844** Posted **Sep 26, 2016, 9:32 PM**

I'm really annoyed that overhardt thinks he can play hardball with Chevy and win. He's going to single-handedly ruin Trouba's career.

bomberjet · #**4845** Posted **Sep 26, 2016, 9:37 PM**

As much as it sucks if Trouba does in fact leave. It's very interesting to see what Chevy can bring this time. Kane trade went very well. Other than that, Chevy has stuck to his guns on all player signings. A couple duds in there (Pav's anyone?).

If Chevy's been trying to trade Trouba since May, he must've had tonnes of offers. You would think Hall would've been right in there, no??

Oilkountry · #**4846** Posted **Sep 26, 2016, 10:54 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by bomberjet

As much as it sucks if Trouba does in fact leave. It's very interesting to see what Chevy can bring this time. Kane trade went very well. Other than that, Chevy has stuck to his guns on all player signings. A couple duds in there (Pav's anyone?).

If Chevy's been trying to trade Trouba since May, he must've had tonnes of offers. You would think Hall would've been right in there, no??

Larson was a way better trade then Trouba. Not only that, the hall trade was more about creating space both on cap and line up for Milan lucic then it was about acquiring larson. But he was a good bonus for the oilers So you lose hall at 6M and gain larson and lucic at 7M for the pair. way more value for the oilers in those 2. Trouba for hall would have been an absolute horrible trade on edmontons part.

bomberjet · #**4847** Posted **Sep 27, 2016, 1:56 PM**

I've never really paid much attention to him. But Larsson has virtually identical numbers to Trouba. In fact Troubas are slightly better. So I'm not sure if it's way better.

But really that was a terrible trade for Edmonton. Trade Hall to get Lucic? That makes absolute zero sense. Hall was their best draft pick and best player (cept for McDavid of course) and they trade him? That's be like Winnipeg trading Wheeler for some D prospect. Chevy would be hung in the streets for that.

drew · #**4848** Posted **Sep 27, 2016, 2:09 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I've never really paid much attention to him. But Larsson has virtually identical numbers to Trouba. In fact Troubas are slightly better. So I'm not sure if it's way better.

But really that was a terrible trade for Edmonton. Trade Hall to get Lucic? That makes absolute zero sense. Hall was their best draft pick and best player (cept for McDavid of course) and they trade him? That's be like Winnipeg trading Wheeler for some D prospect. Chevy would be hung in the streets for that.

We have to remember at this point Trouba has some say in where he goes as (for instance) if Edmonton had offered up Hall for Trouba, Trouba could have simply indicated he would not sign long term in Edmonton and the deal would have been sunk.

Also, Winnipeg got lucky in the draft lottery, gaining a player that basically meant we weren't necessarily in the market for an expensive player like Hall.

Its going to be a tricky situation going forward. Trouba can sabotage any potential trade talks with teams he doesn't want to go to by simply getting word out (via his agent) that he won't sign with certain teams, significantly lowering his value and resulting in the Jets not being able to make decent deals with some teams. That almost certainly takes most Canadian markets off the table, at least in terms of "value" trade partners.

bomberjet · #**4849** Posted **Sep 27, 2016, 2:12 PM**

Ya, that's true on his veto powers. If he doesn't want to play nice, then he can sit until he's 27 as far as I'm concerned. Go play in Europe. He's a kid in the NHL, needs to pay his dues. I have the same opinion on the Jimmy Vessey saga. What a loser. Drouin as well. All these guys need to suck it up.

esquire · #**4850** Posted **Sep 27, 2016, 2:24 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Ya, that's true on his veto powers. If he doesn't want to play nice, then he can suit until he's 27 as far as I'm concerned. Go play in Europe. He's a kid in the NHL, needs to pay his dues. I have the same opinion on the Jimmy Vessey saga. What a loser. Drouin as well. All these guys need to suck it up.

Agreed. It's one thing if Trouba, for example, just didn't like Michel Therrien for some reason and didn't want to go to Montreal. But when you think you can narrow it down to three or four teams and demand to be sent to one of them... then screw you. I think at that point the Jets have more to gain in the long term by letting him sit on the shelf than caving to his demands by shipping him out in a distress liquidation sale.

bomberjet · #**4851** Posted **Sep 27, 2016, 2:48 PM**

Unfortunate situation. Maybe he'll come around like Drouin. Either way, Chevy needs to set the precedent for long term.

buzzg · #**4852** Posted **Sep 27, 2016, 3:26 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by drew

Its going to be a tricky situation going forward. Trouba can sabotage any potential trade talks with teams he doesn't want to go to by simply getting word out (via his agent) that he won't sign with certain teams, significantly lowering his value and resulting in the Jets not being able to make decent deals with some teams. That almost certainly takes most Canadian markets off the table, at least in terms of "value" trade partners.

That's technically against the rules of the CBA, same as how a team needs permission to talk to another coach. Trouba and his agent could be fined for doing anything like that (as he is an RFA). And the only communications other teams are allowed to make are an offer sheet, which would go to the Jets, and the Jets would then have to match or let him walk. There's bargaining rules in place for a reason, to give teams the upper hand with RFAs, which is a good thing.

drew · #**4853** Posted **Sep 27, 2016, 3:36 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzg

That's technically against the rules of the CBA, same as how a team needs permission to talk to another coach. Trouba and his agent could be fined for doing anything like that (as he is an RFA). And the only communications other teams are allowed to make are an offer sheet, which would go to the Jets, and the Jets would then have to match or let him walk. There's bargaining rules in place for a reason, to give teams the upper hand with RFAs, which is a good thing.

Is it against the rules? Right now he doesn't have a contract with any team, including the Jets, so he is free to talk to whomever he chooses. Other teams can offer sheet him as well if they so desire. The only issue is that ultimately the Jets own his RFA rights, so they have to agree to him signing somewhere else (i.e. a trade sending his rights to another team).

CoryB · #**4854** Posted **Sep 27, 2016, 3:42 PM**

Agreed. The Jets need to hold firm on their position. If both Burmistrov and Trouba end up sitting out years early in their contracts over disputes with the Jets it will set a pretty strong message to the next player and agent considering it. I am surprised Trouba even got to this point when Burmistrov spent two years playing in the KHL rather than giving in to the Jets.

Ando · #**4855** Posted **Sep 27, 2016, 4:46 PM**

He doesn't have a no-trade clause - he can be traded anywhere.

bomberjet · #**4856** Posted **Sep 27, 2016, 4:47 PM**

CBA rules don't seem to apply a lot of times anyways. Free agent frenzy for example. Are teams allowed to talk to free agents prior to the July 1 opening of free agency? I'm not sure. But seems odd how mere minutes after free agency opens teams are signing players to long term contracts. Clearly they've been in discussions for some time.

Cyro · #**4857** Posted **Sep 27, 2016, 7:14 PM**

Although Pre-Season, can't wait to see the Fames vs.the Jets game tonite. let the fun begin...

Tacheguy · #**4858** Posted **Sep 27, 2016, 8:02 PM**

hf boards is suggesting a trade for trouba will happen within the next few weeks and it will be the rangers, bruins, or wings.

bomberjet · #**4859** Posted **Sep 27, 2016, 8:14 PM**

Are these reliable trade rumours or are they the typical drunken guy from Montreal blabbing on?

h0twired · #**4860** Posted **Sep 27, 2016, 9:29 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Are these reliable trade rumours or are they the typical drunken guy from Montreal blabbing on?

If its from HFBoards... its just unreliable garbage speculation.