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Old Posted Apr 11, 2020, 2:47 PM
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There was no reduced traffic out my way yesterday, if anything there was an increase in traffic. Just like a regular work day rush hour on 59. Cars all full of people. Where are these assholes going? Should put a cage around the goddamned city. People were heading to their cottages in Ontario this weekend too. Idiots. Don’t these morons know they have to self isolate for two weeks when returning to the province? If there is one thing I’ve learned from this pandemic, it’s that most people are fucking stoooopid. Like, unbelievably stupid.
Those of us skeptics could say the same about you...
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2020, 2:48 PM
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There was no reduced traffic out my way yesterday, if anything there was an increase in traffic. Just like a regular work day rush hour on 59. Cars all full of people. Where are these assholes going? Should put a cage around the goddamned city. People were heading to their cottages in Ontario this weekend too. Idiots. Don’t these morons know they have to self isolate for two weeks when returning to the province? If there is one thing I’ve learned from this pandemic, it’s that most people are fucking stoooopid. Like, unbelievably stupid.
It doesn't help that the way the rules are applied to travel and self isolation, it makes people cynical about the whole thing. For instance, I know of a couple guys who are still travelling for work (flying within Canada) even though there is nothing remotely essential about it... these aren't doctors or epidemiologists or ventilator repairmen or whatever. These are guys in finance. They can fly to Vancouver or Toronto, pass through planes, airports and taxis, and are exempt from the 2 week self isolation requirement.

And then the government turns around and says that the guy who drives with his wife 15 minutes past the Ontario/Manitoba border in his own car to his own cottage has to self isolate for 2 weeks when he comes back to Manitoba?
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441 Main St is closing for good due to covid-19 shut down. Citing lack of income to pay rent with a landlord unwilling to give them time to see if government help was forthcoming. Been in business 5 years. P
Why would a landlord kick out a tenant right now, when it's pretty much guaranteed that the space will sit empty for months? Gotta be more behind this than just one month of unpaid rent.
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Those of us skeptics could say the same about you...

Not really. Skeptics or not they should still respect and abide by what the authorities are telling us and be considerate to their communities.
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2020, 4:44 PM
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Not really. Skeptics or not they should still respect and abide by what the authorities are telling us and be considerate to their communities.
Well, the authorities are being incredibly heavy handed and obtuse right now. This is as good a time as any for civil disobedience.

You know what, I'm just gonna say it. The authorities are getting it wrong. The percentage of deaths relative to hospitalizations is a negligible difference from that of the average flu. Secondly, there are epidemiologists that have openly said that we should be adopting a more Swedish-like approach here, where the only people who should isolate are those that are vulnerable people.

Lastly, since when have we flipped the model from people can make their own decisions on risk management to the state being the ultimate arbiter of who gets to be gainfully employed. Screw that! We've allowed the media to whip us into a frenzy, the models used to forecast the death tolls have been consistently wrong and revised lower and will continue to be, and worst of all, anyone wishing to have a reasonable conversation about this is immediately dismissed as a denier, as anti-science. There is nothing scientific about locking people down: I heard an epidemiologist interviewed yesterday who said that keeping children out of school was the dumbest decision we could have made. This is a manufactured crisis. The only thing we gain by isolating people is delaying the inevitable.
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Might be that ventilators are reserved for the near death patients as a last resort because of low supply, but the waiting so long to put them on ventilators is what killed them, not that ventilators themselves are killers.
At the best of times mechanical ventilation is an inexact science. There is often injury caused by ventilation.

There's some talk now that they should wait longer to intubate and try to give oxygen longer.
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2020, 5:54 PM
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Well, the authorities are being incredibly heavy handed and obtuse right now. This is as good a time as any for civil disobedience.

You know what, I'm just gonna say it. The authorities are getting it wrong. The percentage of deaths relative to hospitalizations is a negligible difference from that of the average flu. Secondly, there are epidemiologists that have openly said that we should be adopting a more Swedish-like approach here, where the only people who should isolate are those that are vulnerable people.

Lastly, since when have we flipped the model from people can make their own decisions on risk management to the state being the ultimate arbiter of who gets to be gainfully employed. Screw that! We've allowed the media to whip us into a frenzy, the models used to forecast the death tolls have been consistently wrong and revised lower and will continue to be, and worst of all, anyone wishing to have a reasonable conversation about this is immediately dismissed as a denier, as anti-science. There is nothing scientific about locking people down: I heard an epidemiologist interviewed yesterday who said that keeping children out of school was the dumbest decision we could have made. This is a manufactured crisis. The only thing we gain by isolating people is delaying the inevitable.
At the point in the curve of transmission where Sweden is they have over 5x the death rate of Canada, 4x the death rate of Denmark.

Sweden will likely be spared outbreaks as drastic as the ones in NYC and the UK simply because they do not handle a lot of international travel....but in terms of comparables they are doing pretty badly even at the low end of the curve. Clearly their efforts to isolate the vulnerable aren't working because they are dying faster than elsewhere.
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Well, the authorities are being incredibly heavy handed and obtuse right now. This is as good a time as any for civil disobedience.

You know what, I'm just gonna say it. The authorities are getting it wrong. The percentage of deaths relative to hospitalizations is a negligible difference from that of the average flu. Secondly, there are epidemiologists that have openly said that we should be adopting a more Swedish-like approach here, where the only people who should isolate are those that are vulnerable people.

Lastly, since when have we flipped the model from people can make their own decisions on risk management to the state being the ultimate arbiter of who gets to be gainfully employed. Screw that! We've allowed the media to whip us into a frenzy, the models used to forecast the death tolls have been consistently wrong and revised lower and will continue to be, and worst of all, anyone wishing to have a reasonable conversation about this is immediately dismissed as a denier, as anti-science. There is nothing scientific about locking people down: I heard an epidemiologist interviewed yesterday who said that keeping children out of school was the dumbest decision we could have made. This is a manufactured crisis. The only thing we gain by isolating people is delaying the inevitable.

Heavy handed? If that was the truth no one would be going out right now. We would be under lockdown. we are not under lockdown yet. Do you not see whats happening in Italy, Spain and New York? This is not a manufactured crisis. Going out as a form of civil disobedience right now would extremely irresponsible and inconsiderate.

Can you please link the interview to the epidemologist? I can post several of a few proffesionals saying we need to stay home and social distance. Please post you sources that lead you to believe all this?


13 new cases announced in Manitoba just now.
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2020, 6:49 PM
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Well, the authorities are being incredibly heavy handed and obtuse right now. This is as good a time as any for civil disobedience.

You know what, I'm just gonna say it. The authorities are getting it wrong. The percentage of deaths relative to hospitalizations is a negligible difference from that of the average flu. Secondly, there are epidemiologists that have openly said that we should be adopting a more Swedish-like approach here, where the only people who should isolate are those that are vulnerable people.

Lastly, since when have we flipped the model from people can make their own decisions on risk management to the state being the ultimate arbiter of who gets to be gainfully employed. Screw that! We've allowed the media to whip us into a frenzy, the models used to forecast the death tolls have been consistently wrong and revised lower and will continue to be, and worst of all, anyone wishing to have a reasonable conversation about this is immediately dismissed as a denier, as anti-science. There is nothing scientific about locking people down: I heard an epidemiologist interviewed yesterday who said that keeping children out of school was the dumbest decision we could have made. This is a manufactured crisis. The only thing we gain by isolating people is delaying the inevitable.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/georgia/t...I34P47YVC4YHA/

This is why you should not compare coronavirus to the flu

They have some similar symptoms, but there is a stark difference between the flu and the coronavirus fueling the global pandemic.

When you look at the numbers, you start to understand why health officials have been insisting on social distancing measures to keep exposure to the virus as low as possible.

Flu kills about 0.1% of those it infects. While that doesn’t seem like much, in reality that’s still amounts to tens of thousands of people among the millions the flu infects each year.

Various reports have estimated the fatality rate of coronavirus patients ranges from less than 1% to as high as 4% among cases diagnosed so far, depending on the location.

It is good to keep in mind that there is a vaccine for the flu. Researchers around the world and here in the Atlanta metro are working around the clock conducting clinical trials to try and develop one for the coronavirus, reemphasizing the importance of social distancing.

According to the Georgia Department of Public Health, an average of 36,000 Americans die each year from the flu.

Currently, the United States has seen 15,826 coronavirus deaths since the first case in the country on reported on Jan. 20, according to the RealClear Politics coronavirus tracker.

In Georgia, the flu season general runs from as early as October to as late as May.

The latest data from the Georgia Department of Public Health shows that 83 influenza-associated deaths have been confirmed so far for the 2019-20 season, in a state of about 10 million people.

The 2017-2018 flu season turned out to be one of the worst on record, killing 145 people in the state and hospitalizing more than 3,000 people in metro Atlanta for flu-related illnesses, according to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

The latest coronavirus figures show since the first case of the virus was reported in the state on March 2, a little more than a month ago, there have already been 379 deaths with 2,159 people hospitalized.

That means the coronavirus, in a little more than a month, has killed more than 2.5 times the number of people the flu claimed in one of the state’s worst years, 2017-2018.

The White House has estimated that the United States would see between 100,000 and 240,000 deaths once we get through the worst of the virus.

During the 9/11 terror attacks, we lost just under 3,000 people. To put into perspective the magnitude of loss the country could see, that would mean we would see the number of people killed in the terror attacks every day for roughly two to three months straight.

If those projections come to fruition, that means the United States will see roughly three to seven times the number of people die from the coronavirus than from the flu in an average year.

It is important to note, that many of the people who have died from the coronavirus also had some type of pre-existing condition.

Despite not having a vaccine yet, many people do recover from the coronavirus. Johns Hopkins University has developed a worldwide tracker for the coronavirus and as of the writing of this article, nearly 25,000 people in the U.S. have recovered from the virus.

It is important to note that the recovery number is only an estimation. It’s hard to truly know the exact amount of people who have recovered from the disease because there are many people who have contracted the virus and had very mild symptoms. That means they probably never went to a doctor and their case was never reported to health officials.
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Old Posted Apr 11, 2020, 8:52 PM
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MB 243, 4 deaths, 5 ICU.
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US passes Italy with 20 k deaths.
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MB 243, 4 deaths, 5 ICU.
Canada 23 k, 648 deaths.

US passes Italy with 20 k deaths.
The US is now the epicentre...Our next door neighbors, and some people here are still in denial this is real. SMH.
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The same people calling government heavy handed for asking people to stay home to try to prevent mass casualties are also in the other thread downright giddy that a 16 year old was shot to death for stealing.
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The same people calling government heavy handed for asking people to stay home to try to prevent mass casualties are also in the other thread downright giddy that a 16 year old was shot to death for stealing.
Yes, the same people calling the government heavy handed will be the same ones crying when they or their relatives are hanging on to their lives through a ventilator, and they will blame the government for it.
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Numbers seem to be slowing down in Canada and US
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What are you talking about. 5G caused COVID. Everyone knows that.
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I heard it was crab people.
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Age, obesity are biggest risk factors for COVID-19 hospitalization
When it comes to the coronavirus, age and weight are more than just numbers.

In two new studies, NYU researchers found certain risk factors like age, obesity and chronic illness can lead to an increased risk of hospitalization for COVID-19 patients.

In one of the largest data reviews on COVID-19 cases so far, researchers at the NYU Grossman School of Medicine found that age and chronic illness (cardiovascular disease, diabetes and obesity, in particular) were the leading factors that led to hospitalization for COVID-19 patients. The study, which looked at reports on 4,103 patients from March 1 through April 2, is currently under peer-review and has been pre-published online.
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Hit the weights people. Get in shape, eat your veggies.
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