Confederation Line West LRT Extension (Stage 2) [Tunney's to Baseline/Moodie] | U/C

[Richard Eade]

‘Integration’ of transit facilities into its surroundings is a difficult concept for the City of Ottawa. Look around at the existing infrastructure and you will see that ‘integration’ for the City means adding a connection between their completely separate facility and something nearby. The Bayshore Station has a bridge to the mall’s parking structure; Billing Bridge has a bridge to the mall; Baseline Station’s tunnel (the future Baseline Station that is) has its own corridor but college building will be on either side. Even the City’s plan for their new downtown LRT tunnel had all of the accesses on the City’s RoW, as pavilions on the sidewalks or on land the City expropriated so that they would have their own entrance.

However, thankfully the City is no longer designing the Confederation Line and the RTG has gone ahead and gained permission to embed the downtown station accesses into neighbouring buildings. This is a big step forward and one that I hope to see repeated for the Stage 2 extensions of the line.

The City will show a Cleary Station separate and apart from anything else – but still use words like “It is integrated into the NCC’s park.” It will talk about the possibilities of integration with a redeveloped mall; however, it will be shown as a stand-alone structure. When the consortium actually doing the design of Stage 2 takes over, we might actually see a renegotiation of what else can be on the property and we might get some actual integration. But we will have to wait for the final product to be announced before we will know.

[waterloowarrior]

The plaza lot is the same size as the Continental lot across Cleary.

[zzptichka]

Doesn't look like there is much planned on the ground level so far...

[Buggys]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

That strip mall will be purchased or expropriated by the City and then demolished in order to excavate the underground station that will replace it on that site. The land will belong to the City after that and will also contain the above ground entrances, public spaces and other features of the new station.

You can see in this image how the at-grade (ie. above ground) western entrance along Richmond Rd. occupies almost the entire site of the current mall.

Hmmm.... Like zzptichka observed, it seems like very little of Cleary station will end up at the surface.

I was thinking that the underground station can be carved from the inside (like what is happening with the underground stations in Phase I), instead of cut & cover.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Buggys

Hmmm.... Like zzptichka observed, it seems like very little of Cleary station will end up at the surface.

I was thinking that the underground station can be carved from the inside (like what is happening with the underground stations in Phase I), instead of cut & cover.

The station will likely be significantly shallower (hence no underground concourse) than the three downtown stations, so it will probably be built using cut-and-cover.

[AndyZagg]

Are there any images yet of the Westboro Station? I haven't found any.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by AndyZagg

Maybe this headline should read, "One person not pleased with new alignment of Cleary LRT station"

Or perhaps it could read, Hey Whiney West End NIMBY Numbnards, If You Don't Want Rail Rapid Transit In Your Community We'll Take It Off Your Hands - Signed, The East Side Part Of Urban Ottawa That Is Not Going To Get Rapid Transit In Your Lifetime Or Mine Because Ottawa Is Small-Town Cheap

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

The station will likely be significantly shallower (hence no underground concourse) than the three downtown stations, so it will probably be built using cut-and-cover.

Also, ignoring land costs, cut and cover is much cheaper than tunneling. Downtown, the cost of expropriating the land pushes the cost of cut and cover through the roof. Outside of downtown, it is much cheaper to just expropriate one strip mall. In the end, almost no one will miss the old, ugly, strip mall, and, if well designed, the new station could be a huge improvement.

[Vanier]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Or perhaps it could read, Hey Whiney West End NIMBY Numbnards, If You Don't Want Rail Rapid Transit In Your Community We'll Take It Off Your Hands - Signed, The East Side Part Of Urban Ottawa That Is Not Going To Get Rapid Transit In Your Lifetime Or Mine Because Ottawa Is Small-Town Cheap

Clap, clap, clap...

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Or perhaps it could read, Hey Whiney West End NIMBY Numbnards, If You Don't Want Rail Rapid Transit In Your Community We'll Take It Off Your Hands - Signed, The East Side Part Of Urban Ottawa That Is Not Going To Get Rapid Transit In Your Lifetime Or Mine Because Ottawa Is Small-Town Cheap

Come on. We already built you the pedestrian overpass at the Train Station. If you are within a 5km walk, that is the new service standard for rapid transit. Anything more and you are over-served.

[eltodesukane]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Doesn't look like there is much planned on the ground level so far...

Bicycle racks.. for how many bicycles?

[eltodesukane]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Come on. We already built you the pedestrian overpass at the Train Station. If you are within a 5km walk, that is the new service standard for rapid transit. Anything more and you are over-served.

-- Too bad the pedestrian overpass at the Train Station doesn't even reach the train station..

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by eltodesukane

-- Too bad the pedestrian overpass at the Train Station doesn't even reach the train station..

I suspect that is because there is an LRT construction zone in the way. I would be shocked if in 2018 the overpass didn't connect to the LRT station and the LRT station didn't connect to the Train station (thus connecting the overpass to the Train Station).

[MoreTrains]

Originally Posted by eltodesukane

Bicycle racks.. for how many bicycles?

Looks like 4.

[McC]

Originally Posted by roger1818

I suspect that is because there is an LRT construction zone in the way. I would be shocked if in 2018 the overpass didn't connect to the LRT station and the LRT station didn't connect to the Train station (thus connecting the overpass to the Train Station).

prepare to be shocked.
http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca...-2/#bwg10/1022
http://www.westsideaction.com/covent...y-lrt-station/
the plan as it stands is for a semi covered exterior walkway between the stations, and a long loopy (fully exposed) ramp to the pedestrian overpass.

[Richard Eade]

I think that we will see is that the swoopy ramp, and the stairs on the other side, are for exit (likely emergencies) only.



Notice that there are no fare gates and the platforms are (glass on one side, concrete on the other) walled off. The enterance to the station is from the upper (bridge) level. And the connection to the pedestrian overpass will be the sidewalk along the D-road.

Of course, the image above is an older rendering. The current construction makes me think it might just look a little different when it is completed – a lot less grass between the station and the parking.


Images from the City's LRT site.

[hwy418]

Originally Posted by McC

prepare to be shocked.
http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca...-2/#bwg10/1022
http://www.westsideaction.com/covent...y-lrt-station/
the plan as it stands is for a semi covered exterior walkway between the stations, and a long loopy (fully exposed) ramp to the pedestrian overpass.

The original plan for the pedestrian bridge was to end it north of Tremblay so under that scenario you would have had to cross at the signalized intersection and along the west end loop sidewalk to the station entrance.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by McC

prepare to be shocked.
http://www.ligneconfederationline.ca...-2/#bwg10/1022
http://www.westsideaction.com/covent...y-lrt-station/
the plan as it stands is for a semi covered exterior walkway between the stations, and a long loopy (fully exposed) ramp to the pedestrian overpass.

First of all, I take these preliminary sketches with a grain of salt as there is a lot of artistic license used to make the picture look pretty. Having said that I do consider an exterior walkway or path to be a connection. There is lots of time for common sense to prevail and for the long looping cow paths to be straightened.

[McC]

Sure they're connected in the sense that you may walk on a sidewalk around one side of the D-shaped roadway from the pedestrian bridge, past the O-Train Station and into the train station. But the structures are not physically connected in any way, and only minimal shelter is to be provided for the smallest segment of the journey (station to station).

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Doesn't look like there is much planned on the ground level so far...

A MUP is really not appropriate on the north side of Richmond Road. I hope that sometime in the design process the cycling facilities get changed to bike lanes or cycle tracks.