ATLANTA | Development Thread V - Page 24

BlueSangha · #**461** Posted **Apr 27, 2009, 2:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by cybele

Is that basically because more people equals more crime? Or are there other factors related to density? (I'm not challenging you, just asking).

correlation does not equal cause. to equate higher crime with higher population density is an oversimplification at best. there are an array of variables that must be considered. there is also a difference between perceived safety and real safety. i feel safe everywhere i go in atlanta, it doesn't follow that i am really safe. just b/c a place is crowded, doesn't make crime any less probable. crimes happen in front of witness all the time, people are less likely to do anything about a crime committed in a crowed place for many reasons, one of which is for fear of their own safety. i could carry off a drive by, but no one will do anything about it untill i leave.

cybele · #**462** Posted **Apr 27, 2009, 2:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by BlueSangha

there are an array of variables that must be considered.

I guess that's my question. What are they?

ATLaffinity · #**463** Posted **Apr 27, 2009, 4:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by cybele

I guess that's my question. What are they?

Roe v Wade decreased violent crime immensely. I lived in NY state in the 70s and 80s. NYC was terrifying. there were all these articles about how we were about to be taken over by a new wave of teenage gangbangers. then violent crime dropped off everywhere.

uneducated/unemployed males are the drivers of violent crime in every city in every country.

NYClife2005 · #**464** Posted **Apr 27, 2009, 6:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by gttx

You have a very strange view of crime in big cities.

While New York is probably the best model of fighting big-city crime in the country (after a storied history ended in the late-1990s), it still has plenty of problems. Population density and crime are exceptionally well-correlated, as you might imagine if you thought about it for a while.

Well look it's precisely BECAUSE more density = more safety. I mean Times Square on any night has WAY more crazy & dangerous people than all of Midtown Atlanta - but it's still safer b/c numbers & cameras & cops = lesser chance of actual crimes. So yea, Manhattan's still got it best. Besides, doesnt ATL have one of the highest murder rates?

Of course that's just the bad parts.

NYClife2005 · #**465** Posted **Apr 27, 2009, 6:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

Roe v Wade decreased violent crime immensely. I lived in NY state in the 70s and 80s. NYC was terrifying. there were all these articles about how we were about to be taken over by a new wave of teenage gangbangers. then violent crime dropped off everywhere.

uneducated/unemployed males are the drivers of violent crime in every city in every country.

"teenage gangbangers">? Reminds me of TMutant Ninja Turtles, the first movie set in 1990 crime ridden NY.

LOL

GlobalNative · #**466** Posted **Apr 27, 2009, 7:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

Roe v Wade decreased violent crime immensely. I lived in NY state in the 70s and 80s. NYC was terrifying. there were all these articles about how we were about to be taken over by a new wave of teenage gangbangers. then violent crime dropped off everywhere.

uneducated/unemployed males are the drivers of violent crime in every city in every country.

What the hell are you talking about?! Roe v. Wade was a landmark case in the 70's regarding abortion. A woman in Texas wanted to get an abortion which was illegal in Texas and she did something about it! It has nothing to do with crime! How did Roe v. Wade decrease violent crime immensely? I don't think you know what you're talking about. I think you're just throwing names of landmark cases around just to sound intelligent. Sorry, but talking about what you simply don't know just to sound smart is a pet peeve of mine!

gttx · #**467** Posted **Apr 27, 2009, 7:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by GlobalNative

What the hell are you talking about?! Roe v. Wade was a landmark case in the 70's regarding abortion. A woman in Texas wanted to get an abortion which was illegal in Texas and she did something about it! It has nothing to do with crime! How did Roe v. Wade decrease violent crime immensely? I don't think you know what you're talking about. I think you're just throwing names of landmark cases around just to sound intelligent. Sorry, but talking about what you simply don't know just to sound smart is a pet peeve of mine!

You should read Steven Levitt's book Freakonomics. It has a chapter devoted to the link between legalized abortions and crime across the country dropping in the 1990s. I don't feel like summarizing his entire argument, but I'm sure you could figure it out.

sevensixtwo · #**468** Posted **Apr 27, 2009, 8:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by GlobalNative

What the hell are you talking about?! Roe v. Wade was a landmark case in the 70's regarding abortion. A woman in Texas wanted to get an abortion which was illegal in Texas and she did something about it! It has nothing to do with crime! How did Roe v. Wade decrease violent crime immensely? I don't think you know what you're talking about. I think you're just throwing names of landmark cases around just to sound intelligent. Sorry, but talking about what you simply don't know just to sound smart is a pet peeve of mine!

GREAT BOOK! I can summarize. Violent crime dropped off about 15 years after Roe v Wade because all those legally aborted fetuses never grew up to be violent criminals.

joecool · #**469** Posted **Apr 27, 2009, 10:03 PM**

Does anyone know what this is....

http://media.photobucket.com/image/bank%20of%20america%20atlanta/lexyky/Nashville/asig5a.jpg

foxmccleod · #**470** Posted **Apr 27, 2009, 10:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by joecool

Does anyone know what this is....

http://media.photobucket.com/image/bank%20of%20america%20atlanta/lexyky/Nashville/asig5a.jpg

Signature Tower in Nashville. It was initially proposed to be taller than Bank of America here in Atlanta, but when/if it gets built will now be much shorter.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=104768&highlight=%22signature+tower%22

sevensixtwo · #**471** Posted **Apr 27, 2009, 11:02 PM**

Last crane coming down in AS

joecool · #**472** Posted **Apr 27, 2009, 11:12 PM**

Too bad the web cam is not working anymore... thats a sexy angle btw. You must live in Spire?

cybele · #**473** Posted **Apr 28, 2009, 1:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by sevensixtwo

GREAT BOOK! I can summarize. Violent crime dropped off about 15 years after Roe v Wade because all those legally aborted fetuses never grew up to be violent criminals.

I understand the Freakonomics argument about abortion, but I'm still not clear as to why population density and crime are exceptionally well-correlated.

NYClife2005 · #**474** Posted **Apr 28, 2009, 6:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by sevensixtwo

GREAT BOOK! I can summarize. Violent crime dropped off about 15 years after Roe v Wade because all those legally aborted fetuses never grew up to be violent criminals.

Yea that's a great solution for crime & population control: ABORT more unborn people!

Rail Claimore · #**475** Posted **Apr 28, 2009, 8:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by cybele

I understand the Freakonomics argument about abortion, but I'm still not clear as to why population density and crime are exceptionally well-correlated.

They're not very correlated at all.

gttx · #**476** Posted **Apr 28, 2009, 9:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by NYClife2005

Yea that's a great solution for crime & population control: ABORT more unborn people!

Actually, it was.
As terrible as I happen to think the practice is, it has had long-term effects on things like crime and poverty that should not be ignored.

NYClife2005 · #**477** Posted **Apr 28, 2009, 12:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by gttx

Actually, it was.
As terrible as I happen to think the practice is, it has had long-term effects on things like crime and poverty that should not be ignored.

Yea well that's the thing, i mean you're right, it's terrible but probably TRUE.

Suck.

briantech · #**478** Posted **Apr 28, 2009, 2:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYClife2005

Yea that's a great solution for crime & population control: ABORT more unborn people!

Well, poor and undereducated people specifically having more abortions leads to lower crime.

recycle · #**479** Posted **Apr 28, 2009, 3:08 PM**

Sweet.
Well, back to construction news, I dont think anyone's mentioned The Brookwood in a while. I don't know for how long, but they have finished construction and are looking good.
We'll see how they do with leasing that property... it could be great for that neighborhood. Looking at the website, it looks like they are partnering with MoCA GA (Museum of Contemporary Art, GA) which could be interesting.

Also, does anybody know anything about that new builind they are putting up on Marietta Street? It's accross from the M-street development and north of the Octane triange.

johnandahalf · #**480** Posted **Apr 28, 2009, 5:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by sevensixtwo

Last crane coming down in AS

RATS! You scooped me by a day. I just saw the crane at lunch today & raced back to my puter to post some ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION NEWS

Can't wait to see it lit with the facade finished. I think it will arguably look better than MOP. And no, I don't actually want to argue about it...just my o-pinion.

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