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Old Posted Jun 29, 2009, 5:14 PM
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Use the trail, of course!

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Did you go on one of the walking tours led by Angel? Great tours, and Angel is pretty great
Yeah, we went from Piedmont Hospital to Bankhead MARTA/Maddox Park. Even though we walked 5 miles in noon heat it was still a great tour, of course my camera died during the first mile....
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2009, 6:17 PM
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Yeah, we went from Piedmont Hospital to Bankhead MARTA/Maddox Park. Even though we walked 5 miles in noon heat it was still a great tour, of course my camera died during the first mile....
Bummer about the camera! Bet you could have had some great shots.

I can't remember where I read this but I think it's a great idea: just start throwing down gravel and let walkers and hikers start using it. I've walked the stretch from Ponce to Piedmont park and except for the southern access, it's ready to start being a walking path.
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Old Posted Jun 29, 2009, 7:09 PM
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Well, if you wanted to take transit there, the southern part of the park would be approximately 1/3-mi from MARTA's Bankhead Station.
Yeah, but you can't take your dog on MARTA, so that doesn't help.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2009, 1:50 AM
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Nice looking plans for the future park. My only question is, where the light rail or streetcar line on this map? I though the Beltline was going to have rail encircle downtown Atlanta, and I assume this park is a significant part of the Beltline project.

Referencing this map, it appears the rail will located to the east of this park? How far east?

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Nice looking plans for the future park. My only question is, where the light rail or streetcar line on this map? I though the Beltline was going to have rail encircle downtown Atlanta, and I assume this park is a significant part of the Beltline project.

Referencing this map, it appears the rail will located to the east of this park? How far east?

It's about 100ft east of the "Georgia Power Transmission Corridor" on the right side of the image.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2009, 4:43 PM
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I'm still wondering how we'll get our canine friends to the off leash park being built for them. At Piedmont the only way is to drive them there.
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I'm still wondering how we'll get our canine friends to the off leash park being built for them. At Piedmont the only way is to drive them there.
Either drive or walk. There will be a trail running (basically) alongside the rail, after all.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2009, 7:35 PM
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Either drive or walk. There will be a trail running (basically) alongside the rail, after all.
Well, as I say, 7 or 8 miles each way is probably more than most people are up for, especially those of us with physical limitations. I can drive there but it doesn't seem very "green" to drive your dog to a park.

It would sure be a lot more sensible if they let well-mannered dogs on the Beltline.
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andrea, I am sure they will build a "dog train" just for you so you have a way to get your dog to the doggie park.

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I am sure they will build a "dog train" just for you so you have a way to get your dog to the doggie park.
If they build a train like that for Andreas to get his dog to the dog park, I'll definitely be using it, too! It seems rather self-defeating to spend our Beltline tax dollars on a dog park if dogs can't even use the Beltline to get there. Not very transit oriented if people have to drive their pets to the park in cars. (Kind of like the situation at Piedmont these days).
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Well, as I say, 7 or 8 miles each way is probably more than most people are up for, especially those of us with physical limitations. I can drive there but it doesn't seem very "green" to drive your dog to a park.

It would sure be a lot more sensible if they let well-mannered dogs on the Beltline.
Who is going to determine whether or not the dog is well-mannered? What's well-mannered to the owner may not be well-mannered to others. And believe it or not, some people do not like dogs no matter how friendly or well-mannered the owner may think they are. And what about those who may be allergic to dogs on the train? I can go on and on.

My point is that you can't please everybody all the time with any one thing. Perhaps they should not have the dog park and maybe that would solve your dilemma.
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Who is going to determine whether or not the dog is well-mannered? What's well-mannered to the owner may not be well-mannered to others. And believe it or not, some people do not like dogs no matter how friendly or well-mannered the owner may think they are. And what about those who may be allergic to dogs on the train? I can go on and on.
Yep. There are even people that I find offensive and ill-mannered, but I guess it's not up to me to decide.

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Perhaps they should not have the dog park and maybe that would solve your dilemma.
Well, I don't know if that really solves anything. I just like to see everybody receive a fair shake when it comes to parceling out tax dollars.
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GDOT, Beltline strike deal on vital track segments

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The Beltline and Georgia Department of Transportation have agreed that key railroad tracks owned by the state agency will indeed be part of the 22-mile loop of parks, trails and transit.
GDOT Commissioner Vance Smith and Atlanta Beltline Inc. CEO Terri Montague announced today the agencies have struck a deal over a two vital segments of railroad tracks in Southwest and Southeast Atlanta.
The set of tracks in Southwest Atlanta stretch more than three miles from Allene Avenue to Lena Street. The other segment, which is much smaller, runs from Wylie Street to Memorial Drive near Reynoldstown.
According to the agreement, Beltline officials have exclusive claim on the properties until June 30, 2012. Until then, ABI will lease the segments and prepare them for public use — think hiking tours, urban sightseeing, etc.
“This is a great milestone for the BeltLine,” Montague said in a statement. “I am extremely grateful to the board and staff of the Georgia Department of Transportation for making this BeltLine transaction a priority. By securing the Southwest corridor and a portion of the Southeast corridor, the BeltLine is now ahead of schedule on Right of Way acquisition, and controls close to 50 percent of the BeltLine corridor. This agreement will allow ABI to continue transit and trail planning activities and open parts of the corridor up to the public within the next year.”
”We are extremely pleased to participate in a project that will advance transit and mobility options in the city and the region,” Smith of GDOT said.
The track segments are unused and abandoned, which means Beltline officials can now begin planning in the project areas. It also means we won’t see a repeat of that fiasco between ABI, GDOT and Amtrak. Officials involved in the dispute now say that dispute helped bring the agencies together and improve communication, making deals such as this one possible.
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The Beltline's tipping point

By Thomas Wheatley - Creative Loafing

You can understand why Beltline officials have earmarked $10,000 in the project's upcoming fiscal year for "crisis communications."

Since the city embarked on its mission to build a 22-mile loop of parks, trails and transit around Atlanta's urban core — a project that officials say will transform the city from a car-dependent hodgepodge of villages to a smart-growth wonderland served by streetcar — it's faced its share of catastrophes. In 2008, a state Supreme Court ruling temporarily stripped the Beltline of half its funding. Later that year, a controversial payout to Gwinnett County developer Wayne Mason raised questions over decisions about how the project allocated taxpayer dollars. In January, a bitter battle over rusty railroad tracks waged by the Beltline and a partnership of Amtrak and the Georgia Department of Transportation seemed ready to cripple the project.

But in all these crises, the Beltline emerged victorious. And on July 10, project officials had more good news to report.

After weeks of negotiations, Beltline officials struck a deal for two vital segments of GDOT-owned abandoned railroad tracks in southwest and southeast Atlanta. Atlanta Beltline Inc., the agency charged with implementing the project, now controls nearly 50 percent of the right-of-way it needs to form the spine of the 22-mile transit loop.

That deal marked a tipping point for the Beltline and put the project ahead of its own goals. By 2030, officials say, light-rail streetcars will cross Ponce de Leon Avenue near City Hall East, glide past or near more than 1,200 acres of newly created parks on the Westside, in West End and just south of Grant Park, and connect more than 45 Atlanta neighborhoods. This fall, work crews will break ground on a new park in Old Fourth Ward near the Masquerade and City Hall East. Next year, more than eight miles of unused railroad tracks will be turned into urban hiking trails in southwest Atlanta near Capitol View and northeast Atlanta near Ansley Park. And work on a giant reservoir park in northwest Atlanta — one that'll be larger than Piedmont Park — will continue.

"We've reached a critical mass," says Ethan Davidson of Atlanta Beltline. "All the hard work we've been putting in this project for the last three years is starting to yield tangible results for the city. Over the next two years, the Beltline will become less of a buzzword and more of a reality."

But for all the Beltline seems to have going for it at the moment, it still has its challenges: a stalled housing market (one that, through rising property values, was supposed to fund the Beltline), increasingly tough land negotiations, an impatient populace, and a new mayor who will be responsible for keeping the public and private sector enthusiastic about a project that might still be 20 years from completion.

Half of the Beltline's funding is supposed to come from a complicated and, in these economic times, risky financing mechanism. Called a TAD, for Tax Allocation District, the model uses future increases in property tax revenue to pay for construction costs. The problem is, property tax revenue has dropped at a time when Beltline officials — and pretty much everyone else — expected it to rise.

What's more, developers have scaled back construction because of a glut of condos and decreasing demand for housing. And housing density along the Beltline is a far cry from where it needs to be to fuel the TAD and make it a more viable contender for vital federal funds.

Once the economy stabilizes, the Beltline will have to compete with other neighborhoods and a saturated condo market to attract development.
Mike Dobbins, a former Atlanta planning commissioner who now teaches at Georgia Tech, thinks developers will be attracted to neighborhoods that aren't directly served by the Beltline and already have dense development and public transit options: downtown, Midtown and Buckhead.

He says of the Beltline: "There's not going to be any type of transportation in any kind of near-term framework. The market's not going to be effective where there's no transportation."

Yet officials are confident that new parks and trails that are set to break ground in the next year will become a magnet for development. They also point out that the TAD funding mechanism was designed to weather several economic cycles — good and bad.

There also are several opportunties that could serve to give the Beltline an additional boost. Officials say a local infusion of cash, which could include a transportation funding proposal that state lawmakers have failed to pass for two consecutive years, could make transit possible along some parts of the project in as little as four years.

To date, philanthropic foundations and corporations have contributed more than $30 million to assist with greenspace and trails, and the nonprofit Beltline Partnership is working to raise another $30 million. In the fall, officials plan to issue another set of bonds to generate more cash. Davidson from the Beltline says the project is on "very stable footing" for the next two years.

Any money raised now could go further than it might in the future. With land prices low, Beltline officials — in conjunction with Atlanta's next mayor — will begin negotiations on the rest of that vital right-of-way. The freight-heavy northwest section of the Beltline loop will have to be secured, as will an arc in southeast Atlanta still controlled by CSX.

The next mayor will not only have to find a way to draw development to the Beltline, but must also appease vocal neighborhood groups that have been averse to unchecked growth and protective of the integrity of the project.
“Any viable mayoral candidate is going to support the Beltline," says Ryan Gravel, the urban designer who conceived the project as a graduate student at Georgia Tech. "The question is, are they going to implement a vision that is consistent with the last nine years of the public’s aspirations?”

The front-runners in the mayor's race — State Sen. Kasim Reed, City Council President Lisa Borders and Councilwoman Mary Norwood — all say they are ready to forge ahead with the $2.8 billion project. But two of the candidates have different ideas when it comes to making the Beltline a reality.

Reed, who in 2008 co-sponsored legislation that allowed voters to restore funding to the project, says he thinks the Beltline's 25-year timeline — a source of frustration for many residents — could be shortened. He says the city should consider partnering with private entities for the Beltline's transit component and ratcheting up the tenacity when it comes to pursuing federal funding.

"I think that we have to get the stakeholders around the table and figure out how we move the Beltline faster," Reed says. "I believe the vision will take hold in a more muscular way if it's an eight- to 12-year vision [rather than] a 20- to 25-year vision. I think that is very tough for people to hold on to."
Borders takes a different perspective. The former vice president of marketing at influential Cousins Properties says the project would benefit from her experience in the real estate development world.

"There are some things that absolutely cannot be changed and cannot be rushed," Borders says. "For those people who want to rush [the Beltline], I would tell them we need to do it as expeditiously as possible. But we should never sacrifice quality for speed."

“It’s hard to keep momentum during tough economic times," Gravel admits.
But he says that the July 10 agreement between Beltline officials and the Georgia Department of Transportation — a deal that secures the foundation of the Beltline — is a sure indicator that the project is progressing.

"The deal goes a long, long way toward building more momentum and providing assurance to the public — and to the world — that the project is going to happen," Gravel says. “As soon as we start talking about what this [project] is going to look like and feel like, and start getting specific about how we’re going to use and engage it every day, then we’re going to really get moving.”
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Reed, who in 2008 co-sponsored legislation that allowed voters to restore funding to the project, says he thinks the Beltline's 25-year timeline — a source of frustration for many residents — could be shortened. He says the city should consider partnering with private entities for the Beltline's transit component and ratcheting up the tenacity when it comes to pursuing federal funding.

"I think that we have to get the stakeholders around the table and figure out how we move the Beltline faster," Reed says. "I believe the vision will take hold in a more muscular way if it's an eight- to 12-year vision [rather than] a 20- to 25-year vision. I think that is very tough for people to hold on to."
Sen. Reed is right about that. The Beltline might entice some of us suburbanites to move into the city but who's going to wait around 25 years? We might well have our own light rail systems out here by then.
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Philips Arena top venue in U.S.Atlanta Business Chronicle

Pollstar magazine’s ranked Philips Arena, which is celebrating its 10th anniversary, the best arena in the United States.

Pollstar magazine’s Top 100 Worldwide Arena Venues said Philips Arena in Atlanta, for the first half of the 2009 calendar year, is the No. 1 concert and events venue in the United States, based on attendance figures. The rankings put Philips Arena ahead of traditional larger market venues such as Madison Square Garden in New York City and the Staples Center in Los Angeles.

The 2009 rankings also named Philips Arena the No. 7 concert and events venue in the world.

“We are delighted by this year’s ranking in Pollstar magazine and are excited about our upcoming concert schedule that includes some of the world’s top acts,” said Philips Arena President Bob Williams, in a news release. “Over the past 10 years our first class staff has established Philips Arena as the place to play in the Atlanta Market. Philips Arena’s consistency of being a top venue shows that fans love to come to a 1st class venue to experience live entertainment.”

In April 2009, Philips Arena became the first NBA or NHL arena to achieve LEED certification for an existing building as specified by the United States Green Building Council (USGBC).
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Sen. Reed is right about that. The Beltline might entice some of us suburbanites to move into the city but who's going to wait around 25 years? We might well have our own light rail systems out here by then.
But I have to ask, would that really be a bad thing? I live ITP, and IMO the region would be better off spending its time and money developing light rail up to Cobb and Gwinnett (or the Clifton Corridor) where people actually travel. The transit component of the BeltLine feels to me more like a pipedream than a viable project. The vision is great and it's captured everyone's imaginations but unfortunately it's distracting everyone from pursuing the projects we really need.
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But I have to ask, would that really be a bad thing? I live ITP, and IMO the region would be better off spending its time and money developing light rail up to Cobb and Gwinnett (or the Clifton Corridor) where people actually travel. The transit component of the BeltLine feels to me more like a pipedream than a viable project. The vision is great and it's captured everyone's imaginations but unfortunately it's distracting everyone from pursuing the projects we really need.
i don't think rail is 25 years off. and the trails will happen very soon. even the emerald necklace alone is worth it.

screw cobb and gwinnett. they have their own little "centers". when the beltline starts phasing in, they can move intown.
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Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm totally pro-parks and trails for the BeltLine. I think those elements can and should happen sooner rather than later. If the Silver Comet trail can entice people to live in Powder Springs or Rockmart, imagine what the BeltLine could do for intown! I just don't think the transit element is worth it at this point and we should be concentrating our efforts elsewhere.
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You are absolutely correct. What a breath of fresh air. The Beltline should be developed as a walking and bike path for now. Focus on improving the adjacent parks and new parks. Focus on the existing Marta and other transportation access points. Work on the environmental and landscaping problems and leave the rest for later - much later.
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