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Old Posted Jan 23, 2011, 8:42 PM
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2011, 3:11 PM
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The city has installed new Pay and Display parking meters in Gore Park (along the north side of the south branch of King St) on both blocks from John-Hughson & Hughson-James... saw lots of cars already using them.

So now instead of buses we have cars?

Maybe the revenue will go in a trust fund towards the future pedestrianization?
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2011, 6:46 PM
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Maybe the revenue will go in a trust fund towards the future pedestrianization?
They'll probably use it to widen Main.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2011, 10:00 PM
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No, no. It's to pay for the Tiger-Cats "transitional fee".
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2011, 11:11 PM
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Kathy Drewitt got her Gore Park parking lot
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Spring Tease in Gore Park

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/ar...e-in-gore-park

In Gore Park on a blue-sky afternoon, it is cold in the shade, but at times the sunshine feels nearly warm — the annual spring tease that is March. The park slumbers, offering nothing but promise.

It is quiet, certainly more quiet than in the past, with the eight bus stops that used to be here having moved to the new MacNab Street bus terminal.

With the first day of spring 10 sleeps away, talk renews about the venerable park’s future. Or, rather, when and how that future should arrive.

The city’s ultimate vision for the park that sits smack in the heart of the city, detailed in the Gore Park Master Plan, is transforming it into a bustling pedestrian spot, including turning the south side of King Street East into a pedestrian-only walkway.

The city had committed $200,000 toward a pedestrian pilot project there, but, in a tough budget year, council pulled that money, deferring it till next year.

Undaunted, Kathy Drewitt, the executive director of the Downtown BIA, is forging ahead. She is calling on local merchants and artists to register interest in a Summer Market program that would run each week from June into early September, on Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays from 11 a.m. to 6 p.m.

She envisions an open air market with local businesses manning vendor stalls: booksellers to antique and collectible sellers, baked goods, flower shops, plus musicians and artists added to the mix.

She said that, with better security in the area (40 police officers added to the core) and noise and pollution from the buses gone, the initiative will be “part of the turning point for focusing people’s attention back into Gore Park and the core.”

In addition, Drewitt is calling on council to put that $200,000 back on the table so the pedestrian pilot project can start to be implemented, with amenities added in the space to attract more people to the area.

As part of that, she wants the south side of King East from Hughson to James — just over 100 paces long — to be pedestrian-only during Summer Market days each week.

“I’m going back at them again to see if they will change their minds,” she said. “We want to show the city that there is a willingness to get the ball rolling on this and move ahead with it this year. We’re willing to co-ordinate the vendors, they just need to come back to the table with a plan to close the street and manipulate the environment to make it pleasing for summer.”

Drewitt likely faces an uphill battle convincing council to restore the funding. For one thing, while “pedestrianization” of the south side of King remains the future vision, revenue is being generated from interim on-street parking on the south side where the buses no longer roam.

Mayor Bob Bratina said metered parking there has been “an amazing success,” with February revenues from the 28 parking spaces netting $2,400. He said parking there should be allowed to remain at least through the summer.

He suggested that, in the long term, closing that side of the street to cars in favour of pedestrians can work, but the setting has to be right, and that is contingent upon such things as development of hotels downtown to bring more people traffic, and also cleaning up the north side of King Street East.

In the absence of these steps, “closing off that street would be the death knell of the businesses that are left there … that are hanging by a thread.”

Whether or not council backs Drewitt’s call to restore the funding, city officials vow to support her Summer Market initiative as much as possible.

Staff in the community services department will put together an information package about how to rent Gore Park for public events such as the market. Temporary closures of the south leg of King Street would require council approval, but staff will develop ways to streamline this process, as well.

Jeff Valentine, who is co-owner of Jet Café on King East, loves the Summer Market idea and has registered his interest with the BIA in setting up a gourmet coffee stall and sausage cart.

“Anything that brings excitement and interest and new people downtown is great,” he said.

One restaurateur whose place sits on the south side of King Street expressed concern that food vendors in the park this summer could take business away from him, rather than stimulate more of it. He added he’s lost business since the bus stops were removed from the street.

Richard Harris, a geography professor at McMaster, said the BIA should be applauded for such efforts in Gore Park.

“At some point, there will be a critical mass of people and interest to make it work, and it may be that new signs of life nearby, such as James Street North, are enough to do the job,” he said. “Symbolically, Gore Park is very important. There’s no other place that can offer a clearer signal of the revival of Hamilton’s downtown.”

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Any event that can possibly be hosted down there is a good idea, especially on the weekends when it is a ghost town without the buses.

Bratina seems strangely pumped over $2400 in monthly parking revenues.
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It's not so much about the $2400 in meter fare revenue generated as it about how it demonstrates that there's growth in the number of people using the meters and the time they are spending downtown. Improvements of that kind should get any downtown proponent pumped.
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It's not so much about the $2400 in meter fare revenue generated as it about how it demonstrates that there's growth in the number of people using the meters and the time they are spending downtown. Improvements of that kind should get any downtown proponent pumped.
I guess you could look at it that way, but the way I read it was Bratina was excited about small amounts of money at the expense of doing something else with the space.
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that's not a lot of money. I don't think that pays the wages of the meeter maid. and to make sure it;s not the actual business owners parking infront of their own store. Like a certain restaurant on James North who parks his mercedes in front of his own restaurant all day long and then pisses moans about the lack of parking. And then takes a piss on the Art Crawls.
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that's not a lot of money. I don't think that pays the wages of the meeter maid. and to make sure it;s not the actual business owners parking infront of their own store. Like a certain restaurant on James North who parks his mercedes in front of his own restaurant all day long and then pisses moans about the lack of parking. And then takes a piss on the Art Crawls.
Seriously, fuck that guy. I ate at his restaurant during Super Crawl, and it was pretty good. But when I read him complaining the next day? I won't be going back. He had about 10,000 people outside his door, it's his fault if he can't capitalize on it.
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i would like to see someone study if those are the same cars every day. If someone just keeps pumping the meter every two hours with a loonie or they are new cars/people every hour?. Are the stores leaving these spots for visitors? I remember the Shermans and talked to them about the parking on James and why the meters were useless. It's basically "employee parking". When I worked at a Mall, we were tagged and had to park at the farthest spots.

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Hamilton Spectator editorial

Gore market plan a winner

Open-air marketplaces, where people can shop, eat and meet, have been essential to city life since the days of togas. Markets are still valued as places to see, sniff, touch and even taste uncommon goods.

Kathy Drewitt, executive director of the Downtown Hamilton BIA, wants to put a marketplace three days a week in the south leg of King Street next to Gore Park, where HSR buses parked until their recent move to the new MacNab Street terminal.

The city supports the marketplace plan — eventually. But council has deferred spending $200,000 on the project — which would turn the strip of pavement from Hughson to James into a pedestrian-only zone for the market — until next year. Drewitt is trying to convince councillors to change their minds and do it this summer.

Drewitt is on the right track, and needs to be persistent. Downtown markets work. They attract new shoppers and visitors and have a measurable ripple effect on surrounding businesses.

Take, for example, the successful Makers’ Market, which began about three years ago, one Saturday each month, on James Street North and has since grown to three locations. On James Street, local merchants put out street displays of fruit and vegetables, art prints and other goods to capitalize on the influx of new shoppers.

But it’s not just the $200,000. King Street’s south leg is currently generating parking revenues for the city and making life easier for some adjacent businesses.

But here’s an initiative calling for compromise and creativity. The parking issue is manageable, surely, for a few days a week in the summer. Perhaps the city’s contribution could be limited this year, to be completed the next. This is precisely the sort of project that would make a real difference to this part of the city.

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This will happen when>>>> about the same time LRT happens?

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But it’s not just the $200,000. King Street’s south leg is currently generating parking revenues for the city and making life easier for some adjacent businesses.
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Does anyone know what the cost for that proposed pedestrian stretch of King St S will cost? Something tells me that $200k wouldn't build squat. I had neighours that spent $25k on their landscaping...a driveway and some shrubbery.

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Just heard that a building (don't know the address) on King St, where the buses used to be, came down today.

Via twitter (with picture, so you know what the hell I'm talking about): http://twitter.com/#!/StrutSalon/sta...85963003121664

Apparently the back of the building has come down, but the front is still standing.
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ok. i heard that Caesars (gore hoarding wall) is being torn down. and no plans for replacing the building for another 5-7 years. So-called business plan is for a 30+ story tower behind those King buildings
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Zig Zag Zebra / Crush / Rainbow Lounge

Well, here's a hole in Gore Park's smile:

The old ZigZag Zebra/Crush/Rainbow Lounge has been torn down today in Gore Park (that's the one that had the Caeser dude on the facade)

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I thought that the rule for downtown was you could not tear down a building unless you have a plan and are rebuilding within 2 years?
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say goodbye to ZigZag Zebras/Ceasars.

Yes there is a bylaw fine for every year after two years that a new building hasn't been built. But I'm sure it's less than the property tax bill, so it makes business sense to tear down, than rebuild. Ask Arts Inc. how much they paid in fines? vs. how much they saved in property tax.

The whole vacant fine needs to be more than the property tax or else who cares? A cost of doing business and tearing down actually is cheaper than fines, then I can understand why HMP is empty and why Blanchard is tearing down Zig Zags. Get tougher with the bylaws for sure. Jelly started some awareness and momentum, I don't think it's Bratina, it's staff. But I would like Staff to increase the fine for an empty downtown lot vs. property taxes. Why do you think Yale closed half the Stelco Tower and a large section of the JS? It made more sense to save on property tax than pay fines for vacant property.

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