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Old Posted Feb 8, 2014, 8:11 PM
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Yeah, I knew about the study of widening I-10 to Valencia and/or connecting Aviation Hwy to the freeway (purchasing the land for it and planning ahead for it is part of the RTA). I provided a link to the ADOT website and it's all in the plan there titled, "I-10 and SR 210 Feasibility Study", but what the report on KOLD makes it seem is that widening I-10 to 4 lanes south do Ajo Way is already planned for, not still being studied. I was also saying that in my opinion, though connecting Aviation Hwy (SR 210) to I-10 isn't a bad idea, and may be a good idea, but it isn't a substitution for widening I-10 to at least 3 lanes. Doing that all the way to Valencia is a good start, but it needs to be done all the way to at least Houghton, if not Vail. The southeast side is probably the 2nd fastest growing part of the metro area, after the northwest side (Marana, Oro Valley). If you look at maps of the city limits of Tucson there is a huge area extending down Houghton to the southeast of the urban part of the city that is within the city limits. Though it might take a few decades to really get going (the southern part of Houghton, but still north of I-10 is just getting going again) with construction, that will be built on some day in the future. Prepare for it now so we aren't behind the curve yet again.
I agree, the southern area of Tucson, in particular Vail is definitely the 2nd most rapidly expanding area in terms of housing in Tucson and the general area south of Tucson from the Airport to a little east of the UA tech park is where all the industry is growing. Both areas lack the transportation infrastructure though to truly expand and attract both builders, business and buyers. Someone wrote an opinion article on basically this situation recently on TIBO "Infrastructure needs to improve first for TIA future plans to succeed" . I think it has some good points.
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I agree, the southern area of Tucson, in particular Vail is definitely the 2nd most rapidly expanding area in terms of housing in Tucson and the general area south of Tucson from the Airport to a little east of the UA tech park is where all the industry is growing. Both areas lack the transportation infrastructure though to truly expand and attract both builders, business and buyers. Someone wrote an opinion article on basically this situation recently on TIBO "Infrastructure needs to improve first for TIA future plans to succeed" . I think it has some good points.
There are large residential developments near, on, or even east of Houghton, and now that the economy is recovering, businesses are finally starting to build on Houghton too. Walmart just opened a new SuperCenter at Golf Links and Houghton and there's one under construction near Houghton and Rita Ranch (it may even be open for all I know, I hardly ever am out in that area). A new Quick Mart and a new Good Will store also recently opened at Golf Links and Houghton. With the widening projects underway on Houghton (Houghton and Broadway is being rebuilt, and when that is nearing completion they will widen Houghton to 6 lanes between 6th St. and 22nd St. - and they are also currently widening Houghton to 6 lanes from Irvington to Valencia), these areas are going to be primed for growth in the near future. Having a widened Houghton will go a long way to helping that area, but it is imperative that I-10 gets widened in that area too.

As for that plan mentioned on the TIBO website, I'm not totally sold on it. I like the scope, idea, and big planning - but I'm not sure about the actual plan. It's true that Golf Links west of Wilmot has few turns (between Wilmot and Craycroft there is only 1 or 2 on the westbound lanes and none on the eastbound lanes), and there is none between Craycroft and Swan, but I'm not sure how easy it would be to build grade separated intersections. Remember, Golf Links is very close to DMAFB. These types of intersections require a lot of space. Also, there are gates into DMAFB at both Craycroft and Swan (where the Border Patrol station is also located). Golf Links and Craycroft would be particularly hard to build, as there are businesses on the northeast corner and a park on the northwest corner and the DMAFB gate/border is very close to the road at that intersection. Even more difficult would be Alvernon. The proposal says to make changes to Alvernon to have as few lights as possible, if any. Well, having none is almost impossible and it's still very hard to get it close to even a full parkway status - let alone expressway-like. Alvernon, between Golf Links/Aviation Hwy. and I-10 is pretty built up, with many businesses and industrial areas. The area south of I-10 is pretty built up too - and they just rebuilt the intersection at Alvernon and Valencia - so there's going to be little desire to destroy something they just spent millions of dollars to improve.

I do think Valencia could help solve the problem though. If I were in charge, what I would do is move the TIA terminal to the east side of the airport (and yes, I realize they just did work on improving the terminal). This would make sense for 2 reasons. First, the airport plans on building a new runway in the distant future on the eastern portion of the airport. Second, this new terminal would be accessible from south Alvernon, which means it would be accessible from Hughes Access Rd. from the west and Valencia from the east (without having to drive into the denser area to the west and it's closer to I-10). Hughes Access Rd. could be extended all the way to I-19 (which would be similar to the proposed Aerospace Parkway). Since little of the area around proposed Parkway is built on, it could be made into a road that has high capacity with few intersections and turns. This road would stretch to at least Alvernon (if not I-10 slightly northwest of Rita Rd., or even connecting to Rita Rd. at I-10), and would allow quick access to TIA from I-19 and thus also I-10 for eastbound traffic (such as downtown and Marana). Using Valencia to Alvernon would allow traffic from westbound I-10 (the Vail area for example) to access it quicker. This will only improve now that the Valencia widening project from Alvernon to Wilmot has just started, which will widen Valencia to 3 lanes in each direction. Add in the fact that the Kolb and Valencia intersection is currently being redesigned and those who live along Golf Links, and don't want to go all the way to I-10 would be able to access the airport faster. I live just south of Golf Links on Camino Seco and the way I access I-10 and the airport is by Kolb to Valencia. With a widened Valenica and a reworked Valencia and Kolb intersection (both already in the works), a new TIA terminal, and the already proposed Aerospace Pkwy. the need for radical changes along Alvernon and Golf Links wouldn't be needed at all. I think this would save lots of money and major construction along Golf Links and Alvernon.
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2014, 1:19 AM
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East end getting more retail

The Retail spaces in the Centro Garage/Cadence are going to be occupied soon. the new businesses will be:
Hi-Fi Kitchen and Cocktails
Fed By Threads
Planet Smoothie
Unnamed Hair/Nail salon


Hi-Fi is Scottsdale based and Fed By Threads is Tucson based, Planet Smoothie Appears to be in several states (wonder if this will negatively impact Xoom Juice on Congress?)

heres an article link: http://azstarnet.com/business/local/...a4bcf887a.html

and photo of construction of the retail spots, which are supposed to be ready by "Late March"

Image via Fed By Threads Facebook Page

And heres a photo of what the Hi-Fi looks like in Scottsdale, I imagine the one here will look similar.

image via Hi Fi Kitchen Facebook Page
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2014, 2:21 AM
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There are large residential developments near, on, or even east of Houghton, and now that the economy is recovering, businesses are finally starting to build on Houghton too. Walmart just opened a new SuperCenter at Golf Links and Houghton and there's one under construction near Houghton and Rita Ranch (it may even be open for all I know, I hardly ever am out in that area). A new Quick Mart and a new Good Will store also recently opened at Golf Links and Houghton. With the widening projects underway on Houghton (Houghton and Broadway is being rebuilt, and when that is nearing completion they will widen Houghton to 6 lanes between 6th St. and 22nd St. - and they are also currently widening Houghton to 6 lanes from Irvington to Valencia), these areas are going to be primed for growth in the near future. Having a widened Houghton will go a long way to helping that area, but it is imperative that I-10 gets widened in that area too.

As for that plan mentioned on the TIBO website, I'm not totally sold on it. I like the scope, idea, and big planning - but I'm not sure about the actual plan. It's true that Golf Links west of Wilmot has few turns (between Wilmot and Craycroft there is only 1 or 2 on the westbound lanes and none on the eastbound lanes), and there is none between Craycroft and Swan, but I'm not sure how easy it would be to build grade separated intersections. Remember, Golf Links is very close to DMAFB. These types of intersections require a lot of space. Also, there are gates into DMAFB at both Craycroft and Swan (where the Border Patrol station is also located). Golf Links and Craycroft would be particularly hard to build, as there are businesses on the northeast corner and a park on the northwest corner and the DMAFB gate/border is very close to the road at that intersection. Even more difficult would be Alvernon. The proposal says to make changes to Alvernon to have as few lights as possible, if any. Well, having none is almost impossible and it's still very hard to get it close to even a full parkway status - let alone expressway-like. Alvernon, between Golf Links/Aviation Hwy. and I-10 is pretty built up, with many businesses and industrial areas. The area south of I-10 is pretty built up too - and they just rebuilt the intersection at Alvernon and Valencia - so there's going to be little desire to destroy something they just spent millions of dollars to improve.

I do think Valencia could help solve the problem though. If I were in charge, what I would do is move the TIA terminal to the east side of the airport (and yes, I realize they just did work on improving the terminal). This would make sense for 2 reasons. First, the airport plans on building a new runway in the distant future on the eastern portion of the airport. Second, this new terminal would be accessible from south Alvernon, which means it would be accessible from Hughes Access Rd. from the west and Valencia from the east (without having to drive into the denser area to the west and it's closer to I-10). Hughes Access Rd. could be extended all the way to I-19 (which would be similar to the proposed Aerospace Parkway). Since little of the area around proposed Parkway is built on, it could be made into a road that has high capacity with few intersections and turns. This road would stretch to at least Alvernon (if not I-10 slightly northwest of Rita Rd., or even connecting to Rita Rd. at I-10), and would allow quick access to TIA from I-19 and thus also I-10 for eastbound traffic (such as downtown and Marana). Using Valencia to Alvernon would allow traffic from westbound I-10 (the Vail area for example) to access it quicker. This will only improve now that the Valencia widening project from Alvernon to Wilmot has just started, which will widen Valencia to 3 lanes in each direction. Add in the fact that the Kolb and Valencia intersection is currently being redesigned and those who live along Golf Links, and don't want to go all the way to I-10 would be able to access the airport faster. I live just south of Golf Links on Camino Seco and the way I access I-10 and the airport is by Kolb to Valencia. With a widened Valenica and a reworked Valencia and Kolb intersection (both already in the works), a new TIA terminal, and the already proposed Aerospace Pkwy. the need for radical changes along Alvernon and Golf Links wouldn't be needed at all. I think this would save lots of money and major construction along Golf Links and Alvernon.
I agree with a lot of your ideas, and I also agree with what that article said about their not being one correct idea. I think Kolb to Valencia with the improved intersection and widened Valencia will do a lot for those that take that route. And you are right grade separation at those spots would definitely be a project but You have to think about all those that live north and may take Crayroft, Swan, Alvernon or Country Club to get south. Regardless, my major concern is not so much yet where its done but how. Tucson seems to always want the answer to be add another lane. The truth is what slows down Tucson traffic more than anything is stoplight after stoplight, business entrances, or red light crosswalks, etc etc. I think we can all agree that a typical beltway style freeway is never going to happen in Tucson. I think the only way to improve traffic flow would be to link up sections of "expressways" or "parkways" where speeds are higher, lights are minimal if at all and business access is not direct. Whether it be getting people from north Tucson south or getting people from central/east Tucson west/northwest I think that is the only realistic solution. Obviously there are so many places and ways it can be done and this cant be done to every arterial road, at most we could probably put together two east/west connections and two north/south, so its good to get some ideas out there. These projects have to start with discussions whether it be on websites or in City hall, so lets start having them! At the end of the day we all want the same thing. The future of our express transit will probably lie in just a few of these ideas being developed and no matter where it happens, I definitely cant wait for it!

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The Retail spaces in the Centro Garage/Cadence are going to be occupied soon. the new businesses will be:
Hi-Fi Kitchen and Cocktails
Fed By Threads
Planet Smoothie
Unnamed Hair/Nail salon


Hi-Fi is Scottsdale based and Fed By Threads is Tucson based, Planet Smoothie Appears to be in several states (wonder if this will negatively impact Xoom Juice on Congress?)

heres an article link: http://azstarnet.com/business/local/...a4bcf887a.html

and photo of construction of the retail spots, which are supposed to be ready by "Late March"

Image via Fed By Threads Facebook Page

And heres a photo of what the Hi-Fi looks like in Scottsdale, I imagine the one here will look similar.

image via Hi Fi Kitchen Facebook Page
Hi Fi has their liquor license application in already and it looks to be pretty close to direct competition for Playground. I mentioned to someone the other day that I really think we're hitting the stage of businesses potentially cannibalizing each other. Should be an interesting year.
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Hi Fi has their liquor license application in already and it looks to be pretty close to direct competition for Playground. I mentioned to someone the other day that I really think we're hitting the stage of businesses potentially cannibalizing each other. Should be an interesting year.
I disagree that Playground and Hi Fi would compete against each other. They are two different styles of bars that target different crowds IMO. Hi Fi looks more sports bar and Playground caters to more the music DJ scene and a bit more sophisticated (for Tucson). If this was Los Angeles, Playground would be in located in Hollywood, Hi Fi near USC. In any case it's good to see more business downtown. Now the city needs to focus on the west side of downtown , it's dead west of stone.
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I disagree that Playground and Hi Fi would compete against each other. They are two different styles of bars that target different crowds IMO. Hi Fi looks more sports bar and Playground caters to more the music DJ scene and a bit more sophisticated (for Tucson). If this was Los Angeles, Playground would be in located in Hollywood, Hi Fi near USC. In any case it's good to see more business downtown. Now the city needs to focus on the west side of downtown , it's dead west of stone.
I agree. Hi Fi seems like its aiming towards a young college crowd with a "vegas" atmosphere while Playground is more sophisticated and in my experience attracts a more mature crowd. I also agree about the west side of downtown lacking in development. I think thats the area we will see getting more growth simply because the east end is almost completely built out, so naturally anything new will have no choice but to venture into other areas of downtown. but i also want to see some more projects on the east end in the coming years (the empty lot south of Cadence, empty lot on 5th and Toole, the Rondstadt...)
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I disagree that Playground and Hi Fi would compete against each other. They are two different styles of bars that target different crowds IMO. Hi Fi looks more sports bar and Playground caters to more the music DJ scene and a bit more sophisticated (for Tucson). If this was Los Angeles, Playground would be in located in Hollywood, Hi Fi near USC. In any case it's good to see more business downtown. Now the city needs to focus on the west side of downtown , it's dead west of stone.
Have you guys been to Playground lately? It's hardly a sophisticated crowd. Also, check out some of Hi Fi's pictures on Facebook. A large number of them are DJ-oriented. Here's the link: https://www.facebook.com/hifibars/photos_stream
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Have you guys been to Playground lately? It's hardly a sophisticated crowd. Also, check out some of Hi Fi's pictures on Facebook. A large number of them are DJ-oriented. Here's the link: https://www.facebook.com/hifibars/photos_stream
Hmmm...You might be right. I see that Bad Boy Bill played at Hi Fi in Scottsdale, that would be about as big a DJ music scene as it gets. It still looks like a sports bar, but if they get DJ's like Bad boy Bill to play here in Tucson, they will give Playground and Safire Lounge a run for their money. Some healthy competition might be good for downtown.
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Long time lurker, first time poster... really enjoy the discussion.

The latest I-11 corridor study was released this past Tuesday, I've linked the PDF below. Lots of information concerning the likely path with a nice pro/con analysis for each of the various route options. The most likely route appears to be exactly what you'd expect it to be but it gets a little interesting in Maricopa County. The "most favored" route follows the existing US-93 from Vegas (utilizing the Boulder City bypass), makes a straight-shot south just NW of Wickenburg, turns E/SE about halfway between Buckeye and Gila Bend, joins back up with I-10 near Casa Grande and follows I-10 to I-19 to Nogales. I'm cool with it as long as the funding commitment is there for the major capacity increases that will be needed re: I-10 and 19.



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Not sure what is different from the preliminary proposals, but it is very disappointing that there was no study done incorporating the Phoenix/Tucson bypass.

As of now the only change I-11 brings for Southern Arizona is a lot of trucks will be taken off Phoenix freeways and dumped into Tucson's.
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Theres 5 differnt route maps for metro Phoenix. Alternative 1 on page 146 is best cuts in closer to loop 303. Others ones just to far out of core!
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Not sure what is different from the preliminary proposals, but it is very disappointing that there was no study done incorporating the Phoenix/Tucson bypass.

As of now the only change I-11 brings for Southern Arizona is a lot of trucks will be taken off Phoenix freeways and dumped into Tucson's.
Yea that plan is clearly made to benefit Phoenix, its basically another freeway for the westward expansion and a bypass, but whats new? I think over the past 6 or so years its been made abundantly clear that the Governor and for the most part the state legislature does not care too much about parts of Arizona not named Metro Phoenix. When was the last time the Governor was even in Tucson(the states second largest city and a metro area over 1 million ppl) if not for some sort of tragedy or national media attention via the border. She has really put little if any effort in using her status as Governor to help the Tucson Inland port theory and Mexico/AZ/Tucson economic connections as Governor. It seems as though she could care less about that connection being prosperous for Tucson/Southern AZ. And forget large amounts of state funds being invested into something not related to Phoenix in some way(unless its a border wall). This is not an attack on her political party so please do not take it that way, the last thing I want to do is get into politics, Im referring to the individual.
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The governor and Metro Phx don't give a damn about Tucson talk is without a doubt true. HOWEVER, in my days working for ADOT and PAG I was dumbfounded at how our jurisdictions, leaders, and small contingent (yet vocal) anti-everythings shoot down every good idea and/or concept.

Obviously Pima County has been supporting the I-11 bypass route off our current Interstates....BUT from what I've heard the City of Tucson doesn't. So naturally our region has no consensus and we look like dumbies. The Phx metro area has Phx, the East Valley cities/towns, and West Valley cities/towns...a region with far more incorporated areas and a greater number of consensus needed in regional efforts. Yet they have one uniform goal(s) in mind: Growth, Jobs, and Economic Development.

Our State reps and senators are a reflection of what our regional constituents want. So when AZ lawmakers (albeit majority are from the Phx area) get tired of our backward ways...we have no one to blame but ourselves.
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Yea that plan is clearly made to benefit Phoenix, its basically another freeway for the westward expansion and a bypass, but whats new? I think over the past 6 or so years its been made abundantly clear that the Governor and for the most part the state legislature does not care too much about parts of Arizona not named Metro Phoenix. When was the last time the Governor was even in Tucson(the states second largest city and a metro area over 1 million ppl) if not for some sort of tragedy or national media attention via the border. She has really put little if any effort in using her status as Governor to help the Tucson Inland port theory and Mexico/AZ/Tucson economic connections as Governor. It seems as though she could care less about that connection being prosperous for Tucson/Southern AZ. And forget large amounts of state funds being invested into something not related to Phoenix in some way(unless its a border wall). This is not an attack on her political party so please do not take it that way, the last thing I want to do is get into politics, Im referring to the individual.
I'm no fan - at all - of Governor Brewer, but to be fair she visited Oro Valley to promote high-tech jobs just a week or so ago: http://www.fox8live.com/story/246984...high-tech-tour

She also delivered her state of the state speech in Tucson in January: http://www.kvoa.com/news/gov-jan-bre...ess-in-tucson/
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Officials: S. AZ bypassed in Interstate 11 planning

At a time when Arizona leaders are expressing renewed interest in increasing trade with Mexico, representatives from Pima County say they are aghast that planning for a new interstate has not included Southern Arizona.

The Arizona Department of Transportation denies the snub and says the proposed Interstate 11 would run from Nevada to Mexico.

“We are looking at this holistically,” ADOT Director John Halikowski said following a contentious three-hour meeting of the state Transportation Board in Sierra Vista Friday.

But Pima County officials point to language in ADOT materials that calls a southern segment of I-11 “potential” and shows that the impact of such an interstate is being studied only in the section between Las Vegas and Phoenix.

“Discussion of Interstate 11 cannot stop in Phoenix,” Allison Moore, a spokeswoman for the Nogales-based Fresh Produce Association of the Americas, told the board. “It’s critical. The ability to ship (produce) to Canada without having to go through California makes our region more attractive.”

A portion of Interstate 11 in Pima County would help commercial truckers avoid heavy freeway traffic around Tucson and Phoenix with a bypass most recently considered to run west of Tucson through Avra Valley.

ADOT must plan for a southern spur in order to alleviate potential gridlock caused by more commercial trucks traveling to and from Mexico in coming years, said John Moffatt, director of strategic planning for Pima County.

“We need to be at the same level as the northern spur,” he said of steps underway to study potential impacts. “We need to be consistent.”

Tucson attorney and Southern Arizona Leadership Council board member Si Schorr told the transportation board that language in ADOT literature fails to ease concerns about being left out.

“ADOT’s ambition for a border-to-border strategy is belied by its actions,” he said. “If Interstate 11 is predicated on trade with Mexico, we don’t understand why only one aspect of it has been singled out as priority.”

Schorr was referring to the corridor between Las Vegas and Phoenix being labeled “priority” — something that state officials say they now regret.

“We lament using the term ‘priority,’” said Scott Omer, assistant director for ADOT’s multimodal planning division. “The whole state is priority.”

He insisted that while the proposed interstate is being studied in segments, the ultimate goal is to have it run through Southern Arizona, whether via a new bypass route or by double-decking Interstate 10.

Steve Christy, chairman of the transportation board, said the anxiety stems from ADOT staffers saying things such as “Southern Arizona is off the table regarding I-11.”

Halikowski asked for the names of employees making such remarks so he could “correct them.”

Whether Pima County is really being disregarded is a matter of opinion.

Cherie Campbell, deputy director for the Pima Association of Governments, said ADOT has not invited the group to planning meetings regarding I-11.

“Yes we have,” ADOT’s Omer told the Star.

For his part, Halikowski said he understands the angst.

“Everybody wants to ensure their seat at the table,” he said.

Following the meeting, Christy felt reassured that ADOT viewed the I-11 project as one that must run border to border.

Still, he said, “this will be a standing item on the agenda.”

If it’s ever built, Interstate 11 could become part of the federally recognized trade corridor Canamex.

The Canamex Corridor, as defined by Congress in the 1995 National Highway Systems Designation Act, involves Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, Utah and Montana and calls for the development of a continuous four-lane roadway from Mexico through the U.S. into Canada to facilitate trade among the three countries. Interstates 10 and 19 are already designated segments of the Canamex Corridor.
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"He insisted that while the proposed interstate is being studied in segments, the ultimate goal is to have it run through Southern Arizona, whether via a new bypass route or by double-decking Interstate 10"

Just the thought of Tucson trying to get a project as large as double decking I-10 makes me laugh and kinda scared lol

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"He insisted that while the proposed interstate is being studied in segments, the ultimate goal is to have it run through Southern Arizona, whether via a new bypass route or by double-decking Interstate 10"

Just the thought of Tucson trying to get a project as large as double decking I-10 makes me laugh and kinda scared lol
Yeah. I don't ever see that happening.

On another transportation note. The next city council meeting is on Wednesday the 19th. A special addendum has been added to the meeting - a public hearing on whether to issue a Request for Proposals (RFP) for building a mixed-use building that also incorporates a transit center at the Ronstadt Transit Center. For those who've been on here a while, you will know this is what I've suggested many times would be a great use for this space. The City Manager is suggesting that an RFP be issued. Here's a copy of the official "Draft Scope of Work for inclusion in RFP Phase 1": http://www.tucsonaz.gov/sirepub/cach...4092803457.PDF

This document says that the site should include:
- "The project should incorporate (1) a transit center, (2) private development featuring a mix of uses, and (3) public open space, which are thoughtfully integrated and serve a diversity of people working, living, and visiting downtown. Examples of types of land uses that are encouraged include housing, retail, daily services (e.g., daycare, grocery, pharmacy), employment, educational uses, and recreation and entertainment venues."
- "The design of the project should create a signature destination that integrates the arts, recognizes the community’s cultural diversity, includes sustainable/environmentally sensitive design, activates the streetscape, and offers architecture responsive to the urban historic fabric and views. Sensitivity to the needs of downtown neighborhoods, transit users, adjacent properties, and local downtown businesses is important."
- "The project should incorporate establishment of the Ronstadt Transit Center as an adaptable hub that can serve multiple modes of transportation over time, including, but not limited to, public buses, shuttles, bicycles, and pedestrians. It should provide connections to the modern streetcar and Amtrak inter-city rail, and should accommodate complementary programs and facilities such as bike share, car share, drop-offs, and taxis."
- "The project should enhance the physical infrastructure and facilities for current bus riders and increase the appeal of transit to new riders. Examples of improvements identified by community members as desirable include incorporation of retail, food, and services; better designed bathrooms; air conditioning; shade; drinking fountains; and a play area."

Definitely liking that they want this to link pedestrians, bicyclists, and bus-riders to the streetcar and to Amtrak. Also liking that they want to include retail and food into all this. Interested to see what kind of proposals they get.
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I just really want something really great to happen with the RTC, I think it has so much potential to be something. I like the fact that the RFP also includes the two other empty properties to the North. those 3 properties combined as a mixed-use of transportation/retail/open space would be IMO one of downtowns most important developments. I hope we see something really ambitious.
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I agree it would be cool to see the Ronsdadt Center become like a complex as opposed to just a building. For example maybe multiple mid/highrise mixed used buildings connected over the streets with pedestrian bridges with the bottom floors main use being the downtown hub for different transportation methods. One being Suntran, one maybe Taxis or light rail, the far north lot maybe Greyhound. Those properties are right in the heart of where Tucson's Downtown has developed (more to the northeast) the most and have so much potential. I still do believe, though, that while a Suntran hub should remain there, it should be largely downsized and a new central Tucson hub should be build outside of Downtown where more space is available as well as easier bus access in a less congested area. Where exactly? I don't know honestly maybe somewhere on Stone or Broadway not too far from Downtown.
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