Salt Lake MSA Development Thread - Page 233

tygr · #**4641** Posted **Feb 9, 2015, 6:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by DCRes

I heard a rumor that people are at least looking at the option of relocating the prison to Fremont Island. This is coming from a connection I have at one of the utility companies who said someone called them wanting to know approximate costs of running lines out there. I have to say it's an interesting idea. They would build a causeway like they have for Antelope Island. This would allow the prison to be relatively close to a support population while not really putting it in anyone's back yard. I'm sure the Sierra Club would have a thing or two to say about developing the island though. But just think of it, our very own Alcatraz

Why not put it on the southern end of Antelope Island and rebuild the causeway to the south side of the island.

They may have to repurpose some government land.

Benefits:

can greatly reduce the financial commitment of acquiring land
still provides decent access for visitors, employees, volunteers, etc.
keeps it out of any "prime developable" land FOREVER
provides a much larger perimeter for security purposes

In fact, I've moved both of them to "Unicorn Point" already...

bob rulz · #**4642** Posted **Feb 10, 2015, 7:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by TonyAnderson

That's better than being a suburb that wants to be a suburb, no?

Sorry for the late response.

I think that's probably true, but bad development is what fuels NIMBYs and other anti-development/pro-suburb groups.

"Look, we tried to do this and it failed, so obviously it doesn't work. We've been doing THIS for generations and it's worked fine."

Future Mayor · #**4643** Posted **Feb 11, 2015, 1:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by bob rulz

Sorry for the late response.

I think that's probably true, but bad development is what fuels NIMBYs and other anti-development/pro-suburb groups.

"Look, we tried to do this and it failed, so obviously it doesn't work. We've been doing THIS for generations and it's worked fine."

That is all subjective to their flawed definition of "worked fine" It worked fine in providing a 1/4+ acre to any person that wants to own that. But it sure as hell hasn't worked fine by so many other definitions. Transportation, efficiency, convenience, pollution, but I'm preaching to the choir on those issues on this board.

This is an issue where the legislators need to get the builders and developers out of their pockets and actually pass laws and regulations, across all municipalities that truly reflect the cost of building in the burbs. Impact fees that are currently collected on each home come nowhere near the true impact costs.

bob rulz · #**4644** Posted **Feb 11, 2015, 9:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Future Mayor

That is all subjective to their flawed definition of "worked fine" It worked fine in providing a 1/4+ acre to any person that wants to own that. But it sure as hell hasn't worked fine by so many other definitions. Transportation, efficiency, convenience, pollution, but I'm preaching to the choir on those issues on this board.

This is an issue where the legislators need to get the builders and developers out of their pockets and actually pass laws and regulations, across all municipalities that truly reflect the cost of building in the burbs. Impact fees that are currently collected on each home come nowhere near the true impact costs.

Hopefully you don't think that's my viewpoint. I was stating it from the viewpoint of a NIMBY.

Future Mayor · #**4645** Posted **Feb 12, 2015, 2:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by bob rulz

Hopefully you don't think that's my viewpoint. I was stating it from the viewpoint of a NIMBY.

Nope, not at all. I pretty much assume that everyone on here, at least contributors, don't have that opinion.

bob rulz · #**4646** Posted **Feb 12, 2015, 8:00 AM**

Ok good.

In hindsight it was pretty clear from your post that you weren't lumping me in with them. Carry on.

DCRes · #**4647** Posted **Feb 19, 2015, 3:55 PM**

I talked to the developer that bought the Ritz Bowling land. He said that the city is REQUIRING them to keep the bowling pin sign. He said they will come up with some catchy bowling related name for the development and incorporate the sign.

Also, this is the same company that purchased the land downtown at 300 S 200 E. He said they will eventually develop that but that it is not in the immediate plans

jedikermit · #**4648** Posted **Feb 19, 2015, 5:11 PM**

"Gutterball Crossing, opening in 2016!"

Old&New · #**4649** Posted **Feb 19, 2015, 5:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by jedikermit

"Gutterball Crossing, opening in 2016!"

How about "Lanes Crossing?" Or how about "Breakpoint?" See diagram below:

http://www.bowlingball.com/BowlVersi...bowling-arrows

Hatman · #**4650** Posted **Feb 19, 2015, 5:24 PM**

Is this a mixed-use development? Will there be ground-floor bowling below the apartments? That's probably too loud for the residents - but if the leave the sign where it is without having bowling, won't that be confusing? Why not move the sign to the Neon Sign gallery thing in Regent Street?

Old&New · #**4651** Posted **Feb 19, 2015, 6:12 PM**

Since they own both properties...

Future Mayor, how many lanes do you need for a bowling convention/tournament?

http://www.gslba.com

Future Mayor · #**4652** Posted **Feb 20, 2015, 2:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by Old&New

Since they own both properties...

Future Mayor, how many lanes do you need for a bowling convention/tournament?

http://www.gslba.com

I have no idea.

I really like the idea of a downtown bowling alley, but I have to say that I think 50 lanes is way to many. I envision a downtown bowling alley as more of an upscale attraction rather than your typical huge bowling alley. Something more like Jupiter Bowl in Kimball Junction, a place for good food, specialty drinks, more of a high end club atmosphere.

As for the bowling sign that would be WAY to big for the mid block connector between Main and Regent. I think they could easily come up with a bowling themed name and simply replace the letters. Or they could could replace the letters with SOSALA! Brand the neighborhood with a icon from the past. For those newer to the forum that stands for SOuth SAlt LAke.

Stenar · #**4653** Posted **Feb 20, 2015, 3:08 AM**

Bonwood Bowl is close enough to downtown. I don't think a bowling alley downtown is the best use for land downtown.

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Originally Posted by Future Mayor

I have no idea.

I really like the idea of a downtown bowling alley, but I have to say that I think 50 lanes is way to many. I envision a downtown bowling alley as more of an upscale attraction rather than your typical huge bowling alley. Something more like Jupiter Bowl in Kimball Junction, a place for good food, specialty drinks, more of a high end club atmosphere.

As for the bowling sign that would be WAY to big for the mid block connector between Main and Regent. I think they could easily come up with a bowling themed name and simply replace the letters. Or they could could replace the letters with SOSALA! Brand the neighborhood with a icon from the past. For those newer to the forum that stands for SOuth SAlt LAke.

Old&New · #**4654** Posted **Feb 20, 2015, 5:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by Stenar

Bonwood Bowl is close enough to downtown. I don't think a bowling alley downtown is the best use for land downtown.

How about at the gateway?

Future Mayor · #**4655** Posted **Feb 20, 2015, 8:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Stenar

Bonwood Bowl is close enough to downtown. I don't think a bowling alley downtown is the best use for land downtown.

That's the thing, there is a huge difference between Bonwood Bowl and Jupiter Bowl. I'm not proposing your A typical blue collar league sort of bowling alley. This is upscale no more than about 15-20 lanes, with a bar a lounge and a restaurant with high end food.

As for use downtown, it can simply be the ground level use for a multi-story project, with residential and or office above it. No the sound wouldn't be an issue. Cleveland opened one called "The Corner Alley" while I lived there and it has residential right above it.

I think Gateway would be a great location for the type of Bowling Alley that I am suggesting.

I'm talking this:

image from www.east4thstreet.com

image from downtown.corneralley.com

Not this:

image from slcdatingweebly.com

Old&New · #**4656** Posted **Feb 20, 2015, 10:16 PM**

So why couldn't the property owners of the 300 S. 200 E. corner property build an upscale bowling alley there, like Future Mayor described, with residential above? AND then relocate the large retro bowling sign to this property?

SLC Projects · #**4657** Posted **Feb 20, 2015, 11:26 PM**

Should I even be surprise at this point that 20 days into the month and Sandy City has yet to have a groundbreaking for the prestige development? "Groundbreaking in February" oh really Sandy? So?.......are these guys going to wait til February 28th at 11:59:59 to have this groundbreaking or is Sandy City once again all talk? Guessing the 2nd one since there's not even so much of a fence around the site yet.

The difference between Sandy Springs and Sandy City is Sandy Springs says they want to build highrises and it happens. Sandy City says the same thing and we get empty fields or six story buildings. Yep, we're cool.

Future Mayor · #**4658** Posted **Feb 21, 2015, 11:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Old&New

So why couldn't the property owners of the 300 S. 200 E. corner property build an upscale bowling alley there, like Future Mayor described, with residential above? AND then relocate the large retro bowling sign to this property?

Considering SSL has put incentives in place to keep the sign I'm sure they would be less than thrilled to have the sign move to SLC.

Stenar · #**4659** Posted **Feb 22, 2015, 1:40 AM**

What I'm saying is that there isn't demand for bowling. Although, if there did have to be one downtown, the Gateway would be the best choice.

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Originally Posted by Future Mayor

That's the thing, there is a huge difference between Bonwood Bowl and Jupiter Bowl. I'm not proposing your A typical blue collar league sort of bowling alley. This is upscale no more than about 15-20 lanes, with a bar a lounge and a restaurant with high end food.

As for use downtown, it can simply be the ground level use for a multi-story project, with residential and or office above it. No the sound wouldn't be an issue. Cleveland opened one called "The Corner Alley" while I lived there and it has residential right above it.

I think Gateway would be a great location for the type of Bowling Alley that I am suggesting.

Future Mayor · #**4660** Posted **Feb 22, 2015, 1:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Stenar

What I'm saying is that there isn't demand for bowling. Although, if there did have to be one downtown, the Gateway would be the best choice.

I understand what you're saying about not enough demand, but that is demand for typical bowling alleys like Bonwood and Ritz. A high end alley, such as the one I posted pictures of will attract a whole different type of demographic. I too agree that Gateway would be a great place.