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Old Posted Apr 5, 2022, 1:48 AM
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When I think of an urban location, I think of Tivoli Gardens in Copenhagen, part botanical gardens, part amusement park, with amazing light shows and fine dining, an attraction for all ages.

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When I think of an urban location, I think of Tivoli Gardens in Copenhagen, part botanical gardens, part amusement park, with amazing light shows and fine dining, an attraction for all ages.

https://blog.norwegianreward.com/en/reward/tivoli-gardens/
See, now we're talking. The World Famous Tivoli Gardens are almost exactly the same size as the planned western 'Park' Component of Lebreton Flats, 85,000 square meters to 80,000 square meters.
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Don't you know? Ottawa can't have nice things and we aren't allowed to do things or have fun here, one must drive to Montreal or Toronto for that.
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Yeah, judging by the master concept plan, the Park district will remain relatively barren. The NCC uses the guise of "keeping it natural" but I suspect there is an element of laziness in there.
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Yeah, judging by the master concept plan, the Park district will remain relatively barren. The NCC uses the guise of "keeping it natural" but I suspect there is an element of laziness in there.
The other scenario that comes to mind is that the particular area was once a ‘dump’ and the NCC does not want it disturbed.

I don’t know if this applies here (as it seems to in other areas, like Hurdman), but there are a number of ‘test wells’ in the area for monitoring ground water – as there would be at an old ‘dump’ site. Perhaps someone with more historical knowledge of the region can shed some light on the subject.

[And, way off topic: Should we be ‘mining’ our old ‘dumps’? There must be a wealth of materials buried in them.]
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2022, 8:37 PM
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The other scenario that comes to mind is that the particular area was once a ‘dump’ and the NCC does not want it disturbed.

I don’t know if this applies here (as it seems to in other areas, like Hurdman), but there are a number of ‘test wells’ in the area for monitoring ground water – as there would be at an old ‘dump’ site. Perhaps someone with more historical knowledge of the region can shed some light on the subject.
In addition, the area where the park is to be built is land reclamation, so not ideal for building a community.


http://urbsite.blogspot.com/2012/05/cpr-ottawa-west-roundhouse-remembered.html


https://ncc-ccn.gc.ca/projects/lebreton-flats-master-concept-plan

GeoOttawa is excellent to view the transformation of the Flats, from its industrial past, razing of the industrial and working class neighborhoods, along with the railyards, land reclamation, and finally the anemic development up until this day.

https://maps.ottawa.ca/geoottawa/

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[And, way off topic: Should we be ‘mining’ our old ‘dumps’? There must be a wealth of materials buried in them.]
I wonder the same. How much could be recycled? But maybe we should start by not throwing out anything that's 100% recyclable, like metal (think large objects like BBQs, some patio furniture and dining sets, or even small items like wire hangers).

At least the NCC has done a decent amount of archeological work in areas that were not landfills.
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2022, 11:34 AM
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Ottawa Senators will have one eye on NCC Thursday with LeBreton Flats on agenda
"Don't hold your breath waiting for big news."

Bruce Garrioch, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Apr 06, 2022 • 12 hours ago • 4 minute read


The Ottawa Senators will have one eye on their computer screens at the Canadian Tire Centre Thursday morning.

They’ll be waiting to find out what the National Capital Commission’s board of directors will say when a public meeting is held, with an update on the LeBreton Flats project on the agenda.

Don’t hold your breath waiting for big news.

The item is only pegged for 30 minutes at 11 a.m. Officials with the NCC have refused to say how many groups had expressed interest by the Feb. 28 deadline, but we can tell you that, after 35 days of calling around Ottawa to find out the number, they’re doing a good job keeping it under wraps.

While the Senators can’t confirm anything publicly for fear of expulsion, it’s believed owner Eugene Melnyk, who passed away March 28, signed off on entering a bid to build a major events centre at the site, which is located about 10 minutes west of downtown.

After Melnyk’s partnership with Trinity’s John Ruddy fell apart and ended up with the two parties suing each other, the Senators won’t study that partnership again.

Maybe this time Melnyk lined himself with a more powerful partner that’s used to making these kinds of deals. If the Senators hadn’t at least made “an expression of interest” at the deadline, then the door would have closed completely.

We believe Melnyk and his group of backers dipped their toes into the water to see what the NCC’s thought process is on this. If they didn’t, then the door would be slammed shut and Melnyk noted to Postmedia in December he was “always interested” in an opportunity at LeBreton.

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and deputy commissioner Bill Daly have backed a downtown arena for Ottawa for several years so it’d be no surprise if they threw some weight behind a bid as well.

NCC officials will want to know what will happen now after Melnyk lost his battle with an undisclosed illness last week. It will be business as usual for the Senators with CFO Erin Crowe, president of business operations Anthony LeBlanc and general manager Pierre Dorion running the club.

The trio will report to Melnyk’s three-person board of Sheldon Plener, a partner in the business law group at Cassels, longtime business associate Lawrence Zeifman and John Miszuk, the club’s chief administrative officer. They will direct the business of the organization in the coming months.

Ultimately, Melnyk’s daughters, Anna and Olivia, will have a decision to make on what they want to do with the team, but that doesn’t have to happen right now and nor should it. They need time to grieve the loss of their father and it will take a lot of time to sort out his estate, which includes several business holdings.

There shouldn’t be any concern from the NCC about the future of the Senators because Melnyk had set this up so that if his two children want to keep the team then the ability is there for them to do so.

The NCC’s Bill Leonard is scheduled to update the board on where the bidding process is at. It sure doesn’t sound like the groups involved will be named, but anything is possible where the NCC is concerned.

Last week, the NCC’s Valerie Dufour, a senior communications strategist, reached out to say the meeting Thursday will be lunch-bag letdown if you’re expecting some big news release.

The day after Melnyk’s death, I typed this sentence: “The NCC will reveal next month which groups put in a bid to build at LeBreton Flats and it would make sense if Melnyk expressed interest.”

Dufour sent an email March 29 titled “correction” with instructions to take that paragraph out and the following statement was attached. To be honest, I had so much going on that day I didn’t really read the exchange, but took a second look Wednesday morning.

“We are not ready for an announcement,” Dufour wrote. “The NCC is currently evaluating the proposals submitted to the NCC as part of its REI. As a confidential process, we cannot share the details of any of the submissions.

“Following the evaluation stage, we intend to enter into negotiations with the successful proponent(s) and will continue to keep the public apprised, including the details of the preferred submission(s) at the appropriate time.”

I received a similar note from another person at the NCC Wednesday throwing cold water on any sort of major announcement.

“The board will receive progress updates on various ongoing initiatives at LeBreton Flats, including on the process to attract major attractions at the Flats,” the note said. “But we will not be presenting proposals nor share details on proponents at this time.”

There’s been a bit of media-feed frenzy because, in typical Ottawa fashion, everybody is whispering without knowing the actual truth. Given the fact nothing happens fast in government circles, it could take a while.

Plus, as an old journalism friend noted to me Wednesday, it’s budget day in Ottawa and the government doesn’t want anything to distract from those numbers.

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Doesnt look like today will be the day the NCC confirm anything about the major attraction/Arena

https://ottawacitizen.com/sports/hockey/...c-thursday-with-lebreton-flats-on-agenda

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We are not ready for an announcement,” Dufour wrote. “The NCC is currently evaluating the proposals submitted to the NCC as part of its REI. As a confidential process, we cannot share the details of any of the submissions.

“Following the evaluation stage, we intend to enter into negotiations with the successful proponent(s) and will continue to keep the public apprised, including the details of the preferred submission(s) at the appropriate time.”

I received a similar note from another person at the NCC Wednesday throwing cold water on any sort of major announcement.

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They're announcing the beginning of analyzing the process of which potential partner could possibly be open to submitting a proposal for Lebreton at some point in the unforeseeable future, blah blah blah.

How many years has it been already since we've started talking about a new Lebreton Flats? And we still have nothing to show for... these guys are SLOW
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The NCC did announce in that meeting that they will be launching the next phase of development, offering up 4 parcels, F1 and F8 with optional parcels F2 and F3. More info in June.

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More bland development on the way.
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More bland development on the way.
Nothing is more bland than a piece of bare land fenced off in the downtown core
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Nothing is more bland than a piece of bare land fenced off in the downtown core
I agree, but I am not expecting much based on what has been built so far. If we build badly, we are stuck with it for generations.
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The "Flats" phase should come with the daylighting of the second aqueduct, along with the first aqueduct side building(s). Could be interesting.

My expectations are not as high as they were with the Library parcel, so I'm not setting myself up for quite the same level of disappointment.
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I was in Toronto earlier this Spring and went jogging to a few different areas. By far, I thought Aquabella was the most interesting development in terms of something we could do in Lebreton.



Very curious to see what they do with the Docklands as well....their own version of Lebreton Flats (large, gross, undeveloped area close to downtown)

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Very curious to see what they do with the Docklands as well....their own version of Lebreton Flats (large, gross, undeveloped area close to downtown)

I strongly suspect that the Jays will end up there. They are renovating the Dome to buy themselves 10-15 years, but the ultimate plan is a baseball-specific stadium. That is about the only spot that makes sense. It will have a nice view, but unfortunately that area is horribly inaccessible, so you will need to work to get the view.

I'd really rather that Ottawa not line its waterfront with condos, regardless of how nice the design is. I find that Toronto's waterfront feels really cut-off from the rest of the city. I'd rather see something closer to Chicago, with parks and greespace on the water, and highrises further back.
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Expect big LeBreton Flats announcement in June, NCC says
"It's not that we're trying to be secretive," said NCC CEO Tobi Nussbaum. "It's really that we're trying to give this process the best chance of moving forward."

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Apr 07, 2022 • 1 hour ago • 2 minute read


There’s “excitement in the air” at the National Capital Commission, but Ottawa residents will have to wait a couple more months to learn what that means for LeBreton Flats.

At its board meeting Thursday, the NCC said only that it had received “multiple submissions” for the redevelopment of LeBreton.

“Do any of those submissions have the word ‘arena’ in them?” Postmedia columnist Kelly Egan asked NCC CEO Tobi Nussbaum.

“It’s not that we’re trying to be secretive,” Nussbaum answered. “It’s really that we’re trying to give this process the best chance of moving forward.”

An earlier proposal to build a National Hockey League arena on the Flats collapsed in 2018 because of infighting between the Ottawa Senators and Trinity Development. This time, the NCC is using a phased-in approach with separate, smaller parcels of land to be developed at a time. Feb. 28 was the last day for parties to submit expressions of interest for the “major attraction” component.

The NCC said Thursday the commission was in the final stages of reviewing proposals and would then begin a 60-day period of negotiations to form a letter of intent with the developer. An announcement is expected in June.

“We have a lot of interest in getting this right,” Nussbaum said. “We want the process to be rigorous. Expectations on the NCC are high and we want to take the time to get it right. June isn’t that far away.”

The public won’t get a chance to weigh in on the submissions, but Nussbaum said the NCC had already heard from “thousands” of people following its request for input on what individuals wanted to see at LeBreton Flats.

“We had a period of very intensive and engaged public consultation when the master concept plan was being developed. We got a very clear idea. One of the questions was what kind of amenities, what kind of attraction would you like to see on-site.”

Meanwhile, shovels will soon be in the ground for the city’s new public library, while the NCC has already begun rerouting its multi-use pathways through the Flats as part of its redevelopment of “The Flats” portion of the land. That parcel, in the heart of LeBreton between Wellington Street and the Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway, is ready for development and has undergone remediation of its contaminated soil. The NCC bills it as the “Gateway to LeBreton.”

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I'd really rather that Ottawa not line its waterfront with condos, regardless of how nice the design is. I find that Toronto's waterfront feels really cut-off from the rest of the city. I'd rather see something closer to Chicago, with parks and greespace on the water, and highrises further back.
Absolutely agree, a wall of buildings right up against the waterfront would be horrible. Having Public greenspace along the whole river is what could set Ottawa apart from many other cities that basically have privatized waterfront with luxurious unaffordable luxury condos. The current Lebreton flat master plan is the right balance
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Sorry, I should have clarified that I was thinking more about the architectural variety and building quality. I agree that Ottawa has done an amazing job of keeping its waterfronts as beautiful public spaces while other cities have developed the crap out of theirs. Calgary has a nice balance of the two I would say.
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