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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 4:43 PM
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I’m surprised that Citadel still plans to build this tower. Since it has a lot of money, I wonder if it plans to self-finance. I assume that JP Morgan self-financed.
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I’m surprised that Citadel still plans to build this tower. Since it has a lot of money, I wonder if it plans to self-finance. I assume that JP Morgan self-financed.
That would be awesome, I worry they'd wait 10 years to find a tenant and we wouldn't see this thing soon.

But imagine an NYC where this, 175, 2WTC and 15 Penn all came to fruition, and maybe a few other 1K foot buildings.

Hard to even imagine the insanity.
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I’m surprised that Citadel still plans to build this tower. Since it has a lot of money, I wonder if it plans to self-finance. I assume that JP Morgan self-financed.
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That would be awesome, I worry they'd wait 10 years to find a tenant and we wouldn't see this thing soon.

But imagine an NYC where this, 175, 2WTC and 15 Penn all came to fruition, and maybe a few other 1K foot buildings.

Hard to even imagine the insanity.
I think that Citadel would be the main tenant, so I don’t think that finding a tenant will be an issue.

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That would be awesome, I worry they'd wait 10 years to find a tenant and we wouldn't see this thing soon.

But imagine an NYC where this, 175, 2WTC and 15 Penn all came to fruition, and maybe a few other 1K foot buildings.

Hard to even imagine the insanity.
They will all be built, in time.

I look forward to the day that NYC has 100 supertalls.
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350 Park Avenue:

On January 24, 2023, we and the Rudin family (“Rudin”) completed agreements with Citadel Enterprise Americas LLC (“Citadel”) and with an affiliate of Kenneth C. Griffin, Citadel’s Founder and CEO (“KG”), for a series of transactions relating to 350 Park Avenue and 40 East 52nd Street.

Pursuant to the agreements, Citadel master leases 350 Park Avenue, a 585,000 square foot Manhattan office building, on an “as is” basis for ten years, with an initial annual net rent of $36,000,000. Per the terms of the lease, no tenant allowance or free rent was provided. Citadel has also master leased Rudin’s adjacent property at 40 East 52nd Street (390,000 square feet).

In addition, we entered into a joint venture with Rudin (the “Vornado/Rudin JV”) which was formed to purchase 39 East 51st Street. Upon formation of the KG joint venture described below, 39 East 51st Street will be combined with 350 Park Avenue and 40 East 52nd Street to create a premier development site (collectively, the “Site”). On June 20, 2023, the Vornado/Rudin JV completed the purchase of 39 East 51st Street for $40,000,000, which was funded on a 50/50 basis by Vornado and Rudin.

From October 2024 to June 2030, KG will have the option to either:

acquire a 60% interest in a joint venture with the Vornado/Rudin JV that would value the Site at $1.2 billion ($900,000,000 to Vornado and $300,000,000 to Rudin) and build a new 1,700,000 square foot office tower (the “Project”) pursuant to East Midtown Subdistrict zoning with the Vornado/Rudin JV as developer. KG would own 60% of the joint venture and the Vornado/Rudin JV would own 40% (with Vornado owning 36% and Rudin owning 4% of the joint venture along with a $250,000,000 preferred equity interest in the Vornado/Rudin JV).
at the joint venture formation, Citadel or its affiliates will execute a pre-negotiated 15-year anchor lease with renewal options for approximately 850,000 square feet (with expansion and contraction rights) at the Project for its primary office in New York City;
the rent for Citadel’s space will be determined by a formula based on a percentage return (that adjusts based on the actual cost of capital) on the total Project cost;
the master leases will terminate at the scheduled commencement of demolition;
or, exercise an option to purchase the Site for $1.4 billion ($1.085 billion to Vornado and $315,000,000 to Rudin), in which case the Vornado/Rudin JV would not participate in the new development.
Further, the Vornado/Rudin JV will have the option from October 2024 to September 2030 to put the Site to KG for $1.2 billion ($900,000,000 to Vornado and $300,000,000 to Rudin). For ten years following any put option closing, unless the put option is exercised in response to KG’s request to form the joint venture or KG makes a $200,000,000 termination payment, the Vornado/Rudin JV will have the right to invest in a joint venture with KG on the terms described above if KG proceeds with development of the Site.

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Nice. Great to see this is moving forward.

Hopefully we'll see demolition in 2024. The buildings are largely empty, or will soon be empty.
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Nice. Great to see this is moving forward.

Hopefully we'll see demolition in 2024. The buildings are largely empty, or will soon be empty.
Citadel still has space at 350 Park, and has planned to lease space in the other tower as well. They would need to find that space somewhere else before demo. I imagine the development is in the city's pre-certification process. When they are prepared to move forward on that front, a DEIS will be issued, leading up to the approvals process, which will be a formality (this is part of the Midtown East rezoning).
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Agreed, this building rocks and adds another to the 400m+ club.
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Nice, can't wait for this to get underway
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Citadel just bought even more air rights, from RFR Realty. They also filed plans for additional easements. Wonder if we get a height boost, or if the additional air rights were already considered in the previous renderings.

This one is likely imminent. It also appears that Citadel is really developing this, though Vornado is a partner. I'm guessing Citadel takes the whole tower. They're growing like crazy and NY is easily their biggest office.
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Citadel just bought even more air rights, from RFR Realty. They also filed plans for additional easements. Wonder if we get a height boost, or if the additional air rights were already considered in the previous renderings.

This one is likely imminent. It also appears that Citadel is really developing this, though Vornado is a partner. I'm guessing Citadel takes the whole tower. They're growing like crazy and NY is easily their biggest office.

I’m pretty sure the pre-certification process is afoot. That’s the lengthy process that gets a project ready to enter the approvals process. Once that begins, we’ll get an idea on a final height.
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I’m pretty sure the pre-certification process is afoot. That’s the lengthy process that gets a project ready to enter the approvals process. Once that begins, we’ll get an idea on a final height.
Do you have an idea as to when demolition will start?
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Do you have an idea as to when demolition will start?
No, they haven't filed for anything, and are still occupying the site.
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It's just too bad they couldn't get their hands on the Madison buildings so they could develop a full-block tower complex and forgo the shifted core concept for a 270 Park style tower.
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^ There remains the option...



























Lots 27, 28, and 33 are the current footprint. The easement is with lot 21 (477 Madison).



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It's just too bad they couldn't get their hands on the Madison buildings so they could develop a full-block tower complex and forgo the shifted core concept for a 270 Park style tower.
Does RFR’s Madison Avenue building have long-term leases that would require expensive buy outs? If so, maybe that’s why Citadel just bought air rights and not the whole building.

P.S.: I just read NY Guy’s ACRIS post (albeit quickly). It appears that Citadel may have an option to buy RFR’s building.

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Here's a little more on the easement...seems like there may be some sort of cantilever in the design, or just establishing that a neighboring building can't be built to block views.







































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I would not be surprised if Blackstone occupies the other half of this tower along with Citadel.
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I would not be surprised if Blackstone occupies the other half of this tower along with Citadel.
I don't think it's big enough for both, unless it was just additional space.

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As far as the easement goes, I think it's primarily set up to keep any future building or additions to 477 Madison below the 377 ft mark to preserve views. That leads me to believe that there will be no blank wall on the Madison side of 350 Park, like the previous design of this tower had. There could also be a similar agreement coming with 485 Madison.
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This is promising news reported by the FT and others; financial institutions expect their workers in the office.

https://www.ft.com/content/e02748eb-...7-7822fdc85374

Bank of America warns return-to-office laggards with ‘letters of education’

Banks take tougher stances as financial job market weakens almost four years after start of pandemic
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