Urban living in Edmonton - Page 23

Coldrsx · #**441** Posted **Jan 28, 2020, 8:01 PM**

Essentially, let applicants discuss how much parking they need/want/require with planning and allow them to dictate that number versus required min/max.

EdmTrekker · #**442** Posted **Jan 28, 2020, 11:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Essentially, let applicants discuss how much parking they need/want/require with planning and allow them to dictate that number versus required min/max.

For rentals that is one thing ... the risk is with the developer and their ability to sell the asset. But for condos where new buyers as Owners have no say: either no guest stalls or few Owner stalls WILL impact resale value. Buyer beware with Eyes Open when purchasing into a condo with inadequate parking - you WILL have risk.

Coldrsx · #**443** Posted **Jan 29, 2020, 12:02 AM**

That's the point though... let the market decide.

EdmTrekker · #**444** Posted **Jan 29, 2020, 12:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

That's the point though... let the market decide.

Well ... let me give you another point. Insufficient parking in condo complexes will result in more airbnb units ... not units that people LIVE in all year. Build cheap and it will attract highly mobile people and airbnb travellers. What kind of downtown are we creating? So far it looks like its "on the cheap".

Coldrsx · #**445** Posted **Jan 29, 2020, 12:10 AM**

Cheap? How about options and a variety of spaces, residences, prices for more people...

I don't disagree with the 'need' for most, but many cars in my condo's parkade are used very infrequently.

Coldrsx · #**446** Posted **Jan 29, 2020, 12:27 AM**

The Urban Planning Committee has sent Open Parking to a public hearing in ~Q2...

HUGE, absolutely HUGE.

adam-machiavelli · #**447** Posted **Feb 1, 2020, 2:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

Well ... let me give you another point. Insufficient parking in condo complexes will result in more airbnb units ... not units that people LIVE in all year. Build cheap and it will attract highly mobile people and airbnb travellers. What kind of downtown are we creating? So far it looks like its "on the cheap".

If we are building shiny new downtown condo towers and there are still record numbers of homeless people in our city, then maybe we do need to build a downtown "on the cheap".

Mikemike · #**448** Posted **Feb 2, 2020, 2:10 AM**

Recent transitional housing projects have had to build significant amounts of parking to get approval, despite being intended for people who pretty much never have cars. Ditch the parking and costs go down probably 25% or more.

I don’t expect much change in paring built for condos, but you’ll see a small reduction at purpose-built rentals where residents often won’t pay the market price for a stall.

ReeceZ · #**449** Posted **Feb 2, 2020, 6:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Cheap? How about options and a variety of spaces, residences, prices for more people...

I don't disagree with the 'need' for most, but many cars in my condo's parkade are used very infrequently.

This is Edmonton. Not Manhattan, Toronto or even Calgary.

Sometimes I truly believe you live in a dreamworld, Ian.

feepa · #**450** Posted **Feb 2, 2020, 5:23 PM**

The problem with letting the market decide is that sometimes the market decides to cheap out on parking when they really need it, and abuse the available onstreet parking in the area...

Sometimes theres needs for rules and regulations

kcantor · #**451** Posted **Feb 2, 2020, 8:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by feepa

The problem with letting the market decide is that sometimes the market decides to cheap out on parking when they really need it, and abuse the available onstreet parking in the area...

Sometimes theres needs for rules and regulations

except most of those “sometimes” will self correct without rules and regulations. those businesses with high parking needs will soon fail in locations without it and those spaces will revert to low parking needs users or stay vacant.

at the same time, those high parking needs tenants will pay more for those locations that can meet those needs, providing an incentive for the market not to “cheap out” where it’s inappropriate to do so.

feepa · #**452** Posted **Feb 3, 2020, 3:01 PM**

In theory that sounds fine, but it doesn't work out like that in reality. In reality, you have residential on-street parking used for commercial uses now, and then the neighbourhood gets upset, so the city responds by placing 2 hour parking limits... which impacts the residents more.... they now need to get placards, and warn their guests/guests can't park overnight etc.

Sorry, but free market never regulates itself.

Coldrsx · #**453** Posted **Feb 3, 2020, 3:40 PM**

People want cheap, quick, easy...hence on-street issues, see Terwillegar Towne.

Not that all neighbourhoods need parking passes, but they certainly work.

Coldrsx · #**454** Posted **Feb 3, 2020, 3:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by ReeceZ

This is Edmonton. Not Manhattan, Toronto or even Calgary.

Sometimes I truly believe you live in a dreamworld, Ian.

How so?

I have lived in Downtown Vancouver and it is no different day to day than where I am living in Downtown Edmonton. The only real difference is that there are more option and more people, but from a livability standpoint, zero real difference.

feepa · #**455** Posted **Feb 4, 2020, 2:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

People want cheap, quick, easy...hence on-street issues, see Terwillegar Towne.

Not that all neighbourhoods need parking passes, but they certainly work.

Free market shouldn't be the decider of the amount of parking required. Free market will always find the cheapest way, and offload costs where ever possible, and the end result is always the residential neighbourhoods paying for it.

Re: T-towne: Onstreet Parking isn't that bad actually, and would be better if people used their garage for more than just a hobby storage. Onstreet parking in Oliver and downtown much different story.

s4.audios · #**456** Posted **Feb 4, 2020, 5:05 PM**

Why not make all Oliver street parking payable, with permits that exempt residents.

For visitor parking, hand out your permit to your visitor. If you are using your permit, then too bad then your visitor has to pay. A household shouldn't be allowed to take multiple street spots, just as people parking temporarily without a permit should pay.

feepa · #**457** Posted **Feb 5, 2020, 6:05 PM**

Or we could just have regulations that require a reasonable amount of parking be provided for the types of users of a building...

Coldrsx · #**458** Posted **Feb 5, 2020, 6:14 PM**

Visitor parking, temporary parking and loading zones are going to become far, far more important in coming years.

feepa · #**459** Posted **Feb 5, 2020, 6:40 PM**

Ian: Driving is terrible & should be discouraged. Also Ian: Accommodating drivers is going to be more important than ever.

kcantor · #**460** Posted **Feb 5, 2020, 6:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by feepa

Ian: Driving is terrible & should be discouraged. Also Ian: Accommodating drivers is going to be more important than ever.

me: (a) everyone driving everywhere all of the time for everything is terrible and should be discouraged.

me: (b) accommodating those people that do need to drive is going to be more important than ever.

me: (c) there is no conflict between (a) and (b).

me: (d) presenting (a) and (b) as if they are a binary choice is pretty stupid whether you drive or not.