LeBreton Flats 2.0 (RendezVous LeBreton) | Cancelled - Page 23

trhgr · #**441** Posted **Feb 5, 2015, 5:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by TheGoods

I like the idea being at Lebreton, it should have never been in Kanata in the first place.

I agree with that. Terrible location too. That's why they have to do better for the next one.
There are other potentially interesting locations for an arena outside of Kanata and LeBreton flats. The bayview area is a good idea. There's also probably some space available in the industrial / trainyard area. This area is underused and treated as a wasteland. But its potential is huge considering its location (close to downtown, close to queensway, buses, trains.....).
I may be biased though. I obviously don't need an arena anywhere near downtown, or at all. I've been to the one in Kanata twice in my life

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Radster · #**442** Posted **Feb 5, 2015, 6:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by trhgr

I agree with that. Terrible location too. That's why they have to do better for the next one.
There are other potentially interesting locations for an arena outside of Kanata and LeBreton flats. The bayview area is a good idea. There's also probably some space available in the industrial / trainyard area. This area is underused and treated as a wasteland. But its potential is huge considering its location (close to downtown, close to queensway, buses, trains.....).
I may be biased though. I obviously don't need an arena anywhere near downtown, or at all. I've been to the one in Kanata twice in my life

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Bayview = Lebreton, btw. It has been mentioned here many times, that Lebreton 2.0 includes land as far as Bayview.

OTSkyline · #**443** Posted **Feb 5, 2015, 8:13 PM**

I think the only 2 logical places for new NHL arena would be Lebreton/Bayview OR Hurdman. Lebreton & Bayview have the process already underway and a timeline sort-of in place, whereas Hurdman could be redevelopped in 6-7 years or only in 25, who knows?

I really do want to see all the proposals and hope to see the Arena go at Lebreton/Bayview. BUT, if for some reason it doesn't, I really want to know what is chosen instead and especially; why? There better be a good reasoning behind it and not just some "it's not for all canadians" bullshit. Kind of like when they said no to Melnyk for the Casino and instead decided they wanted to "protect" the RCR for no real reason imho...
Then I could really see Melnyk and the whole SENS group getting pissed off again and giving up on the City.

1overcosc · #**444** Posted **Feb 5, 2015, 8:36 PM**

If they get rejected for Lebreton I could see them moving to Hurdman instead.

I think the perfect spot for the arena, IMO, would be the site that is currently the DND headquarters across the Mac bridge from the Rideau Centre.

Arcologist · #**445** Posted **Feb 5, 2015, 8:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Radster

Wow, looking promising, I think the chances of Claridge winning this one are close to nil with such competition.

Fingers crossed that Claridge is never allowed to work on LeBreton again. What they've done so far is an abomination...

Arcologist · #**446** Posted **Feb 5, 2015, 8:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Radster

Bayview = Lebreton, btw. It has been mentioned here many times, that Lebreton 2.0 includes land as far as Bayview.

Aren't the Bayview Yards being looked at under a seperate process with the City of Ottawa taking the lead?

Urbanarchit · #**447** Posted **Feb 5, 2015, 8:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

If they get rejected for Lebreton I could see them moving to Hurdman instead.

I think the perfect spot for the arena, IMO, would be the site that is currently the DND headquarters across the Mac bridge from the Rideau Centre.

What? Demolish Pearkes Building? Noooo!

I actually like it (surprisingly). From a transportation perspective Lees Could work. If they fixed the Queensway (buried it here) they could open up the area a bit more so people from OOS and Sandy Hill/ uOttawa could easily walk. Though LeBreton kinda makes more sense, I guess...

Pearkes Building by Shel DeF on Flickr

1overcosc · #**448** Posted **Feb 5, 2015, 9:59 PM**

I'm no fan of Pearkes, I think it's a generic brutalist box that this city already has way too much of.

danishh · #**449** Posted **Feb 5, 2015, 11:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by 1overcosc

I'm no fan of Pearkes, I think it's a generic brutalist box that this city already has way too much of.

I agree that pearkes is an example of the brutalist architecture that is far too prevalent in this city, but imo pearkes is one of the finest examples, and as we demolish them pearkes should be one that survives.

Ironically, the original deys rink in ottawa was right about where pearkes is now.

citydwlr · #**450** Posted **Feb 6, 2015, 3:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

FYI the RFQ and all the addenda have been posted on the NCC site
http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/planning/ma...lebreton-flats

this is the most interesting one... list of everyone who attended the site meeting (p. 25)
http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/sites/defau...addendum-3.pdf

For developers it included:
Brigil, Brickland Timberlay, Broccolini, Capital Sports + Entertainment, Claridge, Mastercraft Starwood, Minto, Windmill,

Architects included mecanoo (!!! http://www.mecanoo.nl/Projects), Perkins + Will, aA, GRC, HOK, IBI, Barry Padolsky, bbb, HDR, Moriyama and Teshima, NORR,

Lots of engineers, construction companies, and planners as well

NEWSEUM Inc was also there.

Several requests to extend the timeline, so firms could set up agreements with potential partners

Some solid companies on there!

Interesting tidbit from the HOK website, dated 13 January 2015:

HOK Completes Acquisition of 360 Architecture and Launches Sports + Recreation + Entertainment Practice

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HOK announced that it has completed the acquisition of Kansas City-based 360 Architecture, a 200-person firm that is a leader in the design of sports, recreation, wellness, entertainment and mixed-use facilities.

The completion of this transaction provides immediate benefits to both firms’ clients through the creation of HOK’s new global Sports + Recreation + Entertainment practice and expanded capabilities in Kansas City, Columbus and San Francisco.

“We acquired 360 because we consider them the world’s most innovative designers of stadiums, ballparks, arenas, recreation and wellness centers, and mixed-use entertainment districts,” said Patrick MacLeamy, FAIA, HOK’s chairman and CEO. “This partnership also enables us to provide design services to all types of clients through new HOK offices in Kansas City and Columbus. It’s a transformative acquisition that will bring significant benefits to our clients and people.”

HOK’s new Sports + Recreation + Entertainment practice will draw on the firm’s expertise in other markets including Aviation + Transportation, Civic + Cultural, Commercial, Corporate, Education, Government, Healthcare, Hospitality, Justice, Residential, Retail, Science + Technology and Tall Buildings to provide clients with highly integrated solutions.

“We’re thrilled about leveraging HOK’s worldwide network to expand our sports, recreation and entertainment design practice while offering our clients design leadership in many other markets,” said Brad Schrock, AIA, a former 360 Architecture principal and a new director of HOK’s Sports + Recreation + Entertainment practice.

“This also provides HOK, a design leader in so many building types, with a strong presence in Kansas City and Columbus,” added Tom Waggoner, AIA, a former 360 Architecture principal and new managing principal of HOK’s Kansas City and Columbus offices. “We’re excited about the ability to expand our service offerings to clients in these regions.”

HOK’s Sports + Recreation + Entertainment practice designs mixed-use entertainment districts anchored by sporting venues that promote urban revitalization. As a game changer for cities, this approach is attractive to developers, municipal leaders and other civic-minded stakeholders. One of the group’s best-known projects is the Nationwide Arena District, which helped transform downtown Columbus by catalyzing approximately $1 billion in development around Nationwide Arena. The team also participated on the design of the Sprint Center and its neighboring eight-block, mixed-use Kansas City Power & Light District, and Edmonton’s new Rogers Place arena, which will open in 2016 and anchor the Edmonton Arena District that is expected to transform that city’s downtown into a vibrant, dynamic community.

“At the heart of our practice is a desire to help create thriving cities and regions,” said HOK President Bill Hellmuth, AIA. “With stadiums and arenas hosting more entertainment events, they can act as catalysts to invigorate urban districts or to attract people to a region. These venues need to be integrated with neighborhood facilities including hospitality, retail, residential and office space. With the addition of 360’s team, HOK is one of a handful of firms in the world that can bring highly specialized design leaders in each of these areas to create truly integrated solutions.”

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I wonder if they are working with Capital Sports + Entertainment then?

waterloowarrior · #**451** Posted **Feb 6, 2015, 4:09 AM**

BBB is also a major stadium designer
http://www.stadiumci.com/

Harley613 · #**452** Posted **Feb 6, 2015, 4:11 AM**

I love Pearkes. I think it's a fantastic monolith of brutalist style. I am extremely curious what the future holds for this complex.

Mikeed · #**453** Posted **Feb 6, 2015, 4:48 AM**

Once again, I think I'm in the minority and love the DND- it's one of the best examples of brutalism in the world (IMO). From every angle it looks great and different. The parallax of the different blocking is really neat at times. And it has the perfect character for DND HQ- it looks like a fort.

I'd actually like to see the trainyards redeveloped into a high-density neighbourhood kind of like the old rail yards in Toronto, but also an entertainment and sports district. I know- a pipe dream eh lol

The Canada Post property would make a good home for a Sens arena or Hurdman proper.

Another one of my pipe dreams is turning the Queensway into a local/express system east of Bronson- burying the express traffic through the core- and turning local traffic into more of a boulevard.

http://i.imgur.com/SjcL45F.jpg

Catenary · #**454** Posted **Feb 6, 2015, 5:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by citydwlr

Some solid companies on there!

Interesting tidbit from the HOK website, dated 13 January 2015:

HOK Completes Acquisition of 360 Architecture and Launches Sports + Recreation + Entertainment Practice

I wonder if they are working with Capital Sports + Entertainment then?

Didn't HOK Sport get spun off as Populous just a few years ago?

McC · #**455** Posted **Feb 6, 2015, 11:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Harley613

I love Pearkes. I think it's a fantastic monolith of brutalist style.

monolith? But it has 2 towers!

Aylmer · #**456** Posted **Feb 6, 2015, 12:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by McC

monolith? But it has 2 towers!

Dualith?

McC · #**457** Posted **Feb 6, 2015, 12:30 PM**

Or Dilith? "Lith" is Greek.

eemy · #**458** Posted **Feb 6, 2015, 12:47 PM**

Megalith?

Kitchissippi · #**459** Posted **Feb 6, 2015, 2:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by McC

Or Dilith? "Lith" is Greek.

Trilith — technically the composition of the building is three stones, one is horizontal

MoreTrains · #**460** Posted **Feb 6, 2015, 3:13 PM**

Just a quick reminder to all, the MGen Pearkes Building is NOT being sold, redeveloped, demolished or evacuated by the DND. The long term plan for DND housing in the NCR involves the Nortel Campus, All the Quebec properties (as required by a governmental directive to maintain 20% of office space in Quebec), Startop and Pearkes. The Pearkes building will likely be the loacation for offices of the CDS, VCDS, Army, RCN, RCAF and HR. It is going nowhere. This vision, as far as I have been informed lasts until at least 2040.