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[SamInTheLoop]

Originally Posted by pilsenarch

I hear that there might be some serious budget issues with this design (shock)...

Translation is that Jim Loewenberg is having some issues of course. I hope the Chinese gang (see what I did there?) can talk him down from any severe VE......

Hey, any word on "O", btw? Still up for a spring groundbreaking? I'd heard there was yet more shifting around of the hotel flags...........

[pilsenarch]

Originally Posted by SamInTheLoop

Translation is that Jim Loewenberg is having some issues of course. I hope the Chinese gang (see what I did there?) can talk him down from any severe VE......

Hey, any word on "O", btw? Still up for a spring groundbreaking? I'd heard there was yet more shifting around of the hotel flags...........

Well, it's not even anywhere near VE yet.... what I heard was it had a specific budget (somewhat generous, I think) and the current design came in somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% (!) over with structure being the biggest overage...

as far as "O", you are correct, sir... all I know is they are still trying to nail down the flags...

[ChiTownWonder]

Originally Posted by pilsenarch

what I heard was it had a specific budget (somewhat generous, I think) and the current design came in somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% (!) over with structure being the biggest overage...

90% over 900 million dollers?!

[pilsenarch]

Originally Posted by ChiTownWonder

90% over 900 million dollers?!

yes.

[Steely Dan]

whoops!

saaaa-wing and a miss.

that's a pretty giant numbers fuck-up, if true.

almost calatrava-esque.

almost.

[ChiTownWonder]

Originally Posted by pilsenarch

yes.

shit that is alot... well at least they are starting off high? i hope they are still looking to develop something along the lines of what is already proposed.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by pilsenarch

I hear that there might be some serious budget issues with this design (shock)...

Chicago seems to fail to build half the cool projects that are proposed. It would be really sad if this didn't go through or got shortened/made into a box.

Fingers crossed that doesn't happen.

[UPChicago]

Quick, someone send them the Waldorf Astoria plans I'm sure that will fit their budget!

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by UPChicago

Quick, someone send them the Waldorf Astoria plans I'm sure that will fit their budget!

For real. That really would be too good to be true.

Since they're having budget issues (how someone goes 90% over budget is just beyond me) I would just assume that something way shorter and simpler will rise here. I could be wrong but sadly I doubt it'll end up as impressive as what we see in the renders.

I actually think curvy walls instead of zig zag ones would look really good but that probably wouldn't be cheaper.

[the urban politician]

News like this is why I often don't believe the "great design doesn't have to be expensive" crowd

[pilsenarch]

the 'great design' is highly debateable...

[Zapatan]

I loved the design, although at 1150' it would have created a plateau (albeit a high one) in the city, since there are similar sized towers in the area.

Well... hope the ~700 foot box they replace this beauty with is better than what replaced water view tower

[scalziand]

Shoot, that's infrastructure project cost overage territory.

[pilsenarch]

ok, the exact # turns out to be closer to 1.6 billion, so closer to 80% but still a shocker... maybe it has something to do with a team with very little experience in designing such a structure? again, most of the $ overage is associated with the structure itself, which, of course, is not adding anything to the stability or function of the project... so I would guess the form of the building is going to change drastically, or it is finished with horrible detailing, and/or the form becomes a mere shadow of what it is now, although I'm not sure that wouldn't be better :-)

[ChiTownWonder]

so im thinking same massing and height, but no zig zag sides. god im nervous for a new rendering

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by ChiTownWonder

so im thinking same massing and height, but no zig zag sides. god im nervous for a new rendering

i think i might have found a new rendering of the redesign.

[Zapatan]

ok, the exact # turns out to be closer to 1.6 billion, so closer to 80% but still a shocker... maybe it has something to do with a team with very little experience in designing such a structure? again, most of the $ overage is associated with the structure itself, which, of course, is not adding anything to the stability or function of the project... so I would guess the form of the building is going to change drastically, or it is finished with horrible detailing, and/or the form becomes a mere shadow of what it is now, although I'm not sure that wouldn't be better :-)

Aren't these people supposed to be professionals? I guess not...

[Ryanrule]

being at the top of your industry rarely correlates with massive amounts of competence.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by Ryanrule

being at the top of your industry rarely correlates with massive amounts of competence.

Sadly this is true but there's not being competent and then there's releasing a design for a building to the public and realizing it's almost double your budget.

It's almost as bad as the time they forgot to add an elevator to a 47 story building in Benidorm, Spain.

[chris11]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

i think i might have found a new rendering of the redesign.

Is that the correct design without Gems? Not completely sure which lot its on

Ahh its 375, rip