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Old Posted Dec 4, 2023, 2:34 AM
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As much as I hated the Santa Anas when I lived there, they did wonders for the views of all the different skylines throughout the LA basin, assuming there wasn't a fire.
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Old Posted Dec 4, 2023, 9:49 AM
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I was thinking Miami. I know some like Seattle but it really only has Bellevue.
Multiple North American Skylines, ranked IMHO for balance, proximity, and relative evenness in size among each of their nodes:

New York City
Toronto
Chicago (edited to add)
Vancouver
Miami
Atlanta
Houston (points off for lack of cohesiveness outside of downtown, with no truly dense nodes of towers and a propensity for those towers to be “one offs” or in a small grouping)
Los Angeles
Bay Area
Seattle
DFW
Austin
St. Louis
Washington, D.C.
Kansas City
San Antonio

There are some other cities that are arguably includable, such as Philadelphia (with Wilmington nearby) and Boston (if one separates Downtown from Back Bay).
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San Antonio: 1495k (+4%) + MSA suburbs: 1209k (+8%) + CSA exurbs: 82k (+3%)
Austin: 980k (+2%) + MSA suburbs: 1493k (+13%)

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Old Posted Dec 4, 2023, 10:40 AM
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Multiple North American Skylines, ranked IMHO for balance, proximity, and relative evenness in size among each of their nodes:

New York City
Toronto
Vancouver
Miami
Atlanta
Houston (points off for lack of cohesiveness outside of downtown, with no truly dense nodes of towers and a propensity for those towers to be “one offs” or in a small grouping)
Los Angeles
Bay Area
Seattle
DFW
Austin
St. Louis
Washington, D.C.
Kansas City
San Antonio

There are some other cities that are arguably includable, such as Philadelphia (with Wilmington nearby) and Boston (if one separates Downtown from Back Bay).
Where is Chicago?
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Old Posted Dec 4, 2023, 11:45 AM
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Where is Chicago?
Oops! I thought I had included that. I don’t think there’s really anything else, even in the smaller way of Austin’s Domain, San Antonio’s Med Center, St. Louis’s Clayton, or Kansas City’s Westport/Plaza or KCK.
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Ft. Worth: 978k (+6%) + MSA div. suburbs: 1659k (+4%) + adj. CSA exurbs: 98k (+8%)
San Antonio: 1495k (+4%) + MSA suburbs: 1209k (+8%) + CSA exurbs: 82k (+3%)
Austin: 980k (+2%) + MSA suburbs: 1493k (+13%)
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I don’t think there’s really anything else, even in the smaller way of Austin’s Domain, San Antonio’s Med Center, St. Louis’s Clayton, or Kansas City’s Westport/Plaza or KCK.
I'm not sure what you're qualifying as a secondary skyline, but Chicago has highrises stretching along its lakefront for over 16 miles (with some gaps of course).

Here's the Edgewater skyline, roughly 7.5 miles north of the loop.

The tall black building in the middle is 513'/55 stories. My parents live on the 19th floor of it.




Source: https://www.flatslife.com/blog/2019/...neighborhoods/
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About 20 years ago I hiked up the Verdugo hills behind Glendale on one of the winter days after it rained. You could see almost all of coastal LA and Orange County, Catalina, and the Channel islands. I don't remember exactly but I am sure you could see Glendale, downtown LA, and Long Beach at the same time.
Definitely. I'm up in the Verdugos and Angeles national forest all the time and the views from the peaks (some over 9000 and 10,000 feet) are incredible. You can see most of LA and it's various skylines, the islands, orange county etc
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I'm not sure what you're qualifying as a secondary skyline, but Chicago has highrises stretching along its lakefront for over 16 miles (with some gaps of course).

Here's the Edgewater skyline, roughly 7.5 miles north of the loop.

The tall black building in the middle is 513'/55 stories. My parents live on the 19th floor of it.




Source: https://www.flatslife.com/blog/2019/...neighborhoods/
Chicago and South Florida are similar with the elongated secondary skylines on the water. Here's Miami's suburb of Sunny Isles:
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^ yep.

That's why Chicago is widely known as "The Miami of Canada".



Many humans seem drawn to views of open water, for whatever reason.
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I'm not sure what you're qualifying as a secondary skyline, but Chicago has highrises stretching along its lakefront for over 16 miles (with some gaps of course).

Here's the Edgewater skyline, roughly 7.5 miles north of the loop.

The tall black building in the middle is 513'/55 stories. My parents live on the 19th floor of it.




Source: https://www.flatslife.com/blog/2019/...neighborhoods/
Lived in Chicago (in Dunning). Chicago definitely has multiple skylines. Edgewater, Evanston (also shown above), among other smaller nodes.
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Ft. Worth: 978k (+6%) + MSA div. suburbs: 1659k (+4%) + adj. CSA exurbs: 98k (+8%)
San Antonio: 1495k (+4%) + MSA suburbs: 1209k (+8%) + CSA exurbs: 82k (+3%)
Austin: 980k (+2%) + MSA suburbs: 1493k (+13%)
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Multiple North American Skylines, ranked IMHO for balance, proximity, and relative evenness in size among each of their nodes:

New York City
Toronto
Chicago (edited to add)
Vancouver
Miami
Atlanta
Houston (points off for lack of cohesiveness outside of downtown, with no truly dense nodes of towers and a propensity for those towers to be “one offs” or in a small grouping)
Los Angeles
Bay Area
Seattle
DFW
Austin
St. Louis
Washington, D.C.
Kansas City
San Antonio

There are some other cities that are arguably includable, such as Philadelphia (with Wilmington nearby) and Boston (if one separates Downtown from Back Bay).
Greater Vancouver has many more skylines than Chicago

here are a few:

Surrey


Brentwood


Metrotown


Edmonds


North Vancouver


West Vancouver


Coquitlam


Burquitlam


New Westminster


Marine Drive


Port Moody


and this isn't even all the skylines in Vancouver

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Vancouver is so incredibly scenic. It looks like the perfect place to live if you enjoy outdoor activities.
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I'm not sure what you're qualifying as a secondary skyline, but Chicago has highrises stretching along its lakefront for over 16 miles (with some gaps of course).

Here's the Edgewater skyline, roughly 7.5 miles north of the loop.

The tall black building in the middle is 513'/55 stories. My parents live on the 19th floor of it.


Source: https://www.flatslife.com/blog/2019/...neighborhoods/
And then there's also the cluster of highrises to the south of the city center that you posted a pic of a few days ago:

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^ yeah, that's Hyde Park.


And here's Lakeview/uptown

(You can see Edgewater starting on the far upper right)



Source: https://ppmapartments.com/neighborhoods/lakeview/





But overall, I don't think you can realistically rank Chicago ahead of Vancouver for secondary skylines.

Chicago has an unbelievably giant and tall downtown clump that far surpasses anything in Vancouver,

but 99% of the non-downtown highrises in the entire metro area are all piled up along the lakefront.

There are no real inland secondary skyscraper nodes of note.
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It looks like the perfect place to live if you enjoy outdoor activities.
And rain.
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And rain.
A surprisingly well kept secret is how Victoria exists in the rain shadow of the Olympia Mountains. Victoria gets less rain and more sun than both Vancouver and Seattle. So you get the beautiful topography of the region but with better weather (if you like sun/less rain) than the other 2.
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Multiple North American Skylines, ranked IMHO for balance, proximity, and relative evenness in size among each of their nodes:

New York City
Toronto
Chicago (edited to add)
Vancouver
Miami
Atlanta
Houston (points off for lack of cohesiveness outside of downtown, with no truly dense nodes of towers and a propensity for those towers to be “one offs” or in a small grouping)
Los Angeles
Bay Area
Seattle
DFW
Austin
St. Louis
Washington, D.C.
Kansas City
San Antonio

There are some other cities that are arguably includable, such as Philadelphia (with Wilmington nearby) and Boston (if one separates Downtown from Back Bay).
The Med Center in Houston is not truly dense? You can't be serious.

Uptown is spread out north to south but very impressive with multiple talls. Greenway, Upper Kirby, Allen Parkway, and the Energy Corridor are all nice but not really dense.
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Greater Vancouver has many more skylines than Chicago

...and this isn't even all the skylines in Vancouver
It's not a competition.
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It's not a competition.
I was replying to someone who ranked North American cities in regard to the amount of secondary skylines they have. how else should i have raised my objection to the list as is?
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I was thinking Miami. I know some like Seattle but it really only has Bellevue.
Well, not entirely! The University District is booming, with several new student housing towers (two not far from topping out in the middle of in this image) and three stubby office buildings all going up at once over 2023 (not shown). This is thanks to recent upzones that FINALLY allow highrises again after maybe 45 years of banning new ones. And the light rail subway just opened two years ago. Many more towers are planned.

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6587...!1e3?entry=ttu
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