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Old Posted Dec 17, 2009, 8:18 PM
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I have to ask what the status on this project is. Is it a go yet or is the provincial government still contemplating it?
Won't know till March when the two budgets (shadow & developer) are completed.
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This picture was printed in the Herald today.


Work continues in the razing of the former Halifax Herald building on Argyle Street. The site will be used for a new convention centre.

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has this even been approved yet?
because if it doesnt get approved theres just gonna be a big vacant lot probly used for ugly parking. but i really hope if there demolishing these buildings it gets approved.
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has this even been approved yet?
because if it doesnt get approved theres just gonna be a big vacant lot probly used for ugly parking. but i really hope if there demolishing these buildings it gets approved.
nope no approval yet. I doubt we will know for months. If its a no go there i've been told there is a plan B, which from what i know i would rather see that built
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nope no approval yet. I doubt we will know for months. If its a no go there i've been told there is a plan B, which from what i know i would rather see that built
I almost hope the province doesn't go forward. A new convention centre is great and all, but I'm not wild about this spot as the location. Convention Centre's are such all or nothing places that have either tons of activity or are completely dead and this area of Town already has that with the Metro Centre and existing Trade Centre. I feel this spot would be better suited to some mixed commercial, residential and retail development that is more likely to be consistently lively and build on Argyle's strengthes. I would rather a new convention centre down on the Cogswell or on any of the other vacant lots down by the waterfront to spread things out a little more. Good to know there is a Plan B in the cards and that if the Convention Centre doesn't get approved and that the lots aren't likely to just become yet more parking.
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A random picture from todays paper.

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^I tried to get a photo of the demolition on my phototour over the weekend but after 15 minutes of not finding a parking spot anywheres downtown I gave up and left.
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^I tried to get a photo of the demolition on my phototour over the weekend but after 15 minutes of not finding a parking spot anywheres downtown I gave up and left.
Always check near 1580 Grafton St. I have never failed to find a spot there.
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There is an article in today's Herald about the demolition. They have moved on from the slow, hand and small machine work to demolition with excavators. There are currently two on site, a smaller Komatsu 220 with a bucket and grapple, probably for debris. A larger Komatsu 400 has a large Jaws of Life-like attachment and is doing most of the demo. They are already to street level of part of the north garage section.

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Demolition closes streets

Mon. Feb 22 - 4:54 AM

The demolition of the former Chronicle Herald building on Argyle Street in Halifax is entering the next phase with a series of planned street closures.

Dexter Construction, which has the contract to pull the building down, says demolition activities are set to start.

Work to take apart the interior of the building began in December.

Pedestrians will still be able to walk through the area while the streets are closed to vehicles.

The list of affected streets and dates are:

•Grafton Street between Prince and Sackville streets. Street closure, starting Monday and ending Friday.

•Prince Street between Argyle and Grafton streets. Street closure, Wednesday to Friday.

•Intersection of Prince and Argyle streets, which will result in the closure of Prince from Barrington Street to Grafton Street and Argyle Street from Carmichael Street to Sackville Street, Sunday until March 3.

•Argyle Street between Prince and Sackville streets. Street closure, Sunday until March 5.

•Grafton, Prince, Argyle and Sackville streets. Periodic disruptions and traffic stoppages until the end of April.
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From todays Herald.



Demolition workers hammer away on the fourth floor of the former Chronicle Herald building in downtown Halifax on Monday. The building is being taken down section by section and the site cleared to make way for a new world trade and convention centre that is still awaiting funding from the provincial government.


Conventional approach to business

ROD CAMERON may not be expecting it, but the convention centre expert from Vancouver is likely to become a focal point for an anti-P3 campaign in Halifax this week.

Cameron is set to deliver the ninth annual Carmichael lecture on Thursday at the World Trade and Convention Centre and is expected to present the case for conven tion centres as instruments for a broader economic devel opment strategy.

No matter how positive his message may be, however, it may be blurred a bit by a campaign launched by the Canadian Union of Public Employees to block all future public-private partnerships.

The union argues that the contracts to build P3 schools in Nova Scotia were flawed and therefore all such part nerships are suspect.

But it isn’t fair to prejudge all public-private projects, based on a bad experience in the past, without knowing the details of the agreement.

The new Nova Centre, pro posed by developer Rank Inc.

for the former Chronicle Herald

lands in downtown Halifax, will include a larger and more modern convention facility, if governments agree to help fund that part of the approxi mately $300-million complex.

Construction of the conven tion centre portion alone has been estimated to cost about $100 million.

Cameron is the president of a management and marketing consultancy called Criterion Communications Inc. , is exec utive director of Convention Centres of Canada and the international development director for the International Association of Congress Cen tres in Belgium.

Public-private partnerships bring in a wide range of choic es, he told me in a phone con versation Monday.

There are many different models for P3s, but Cameron said the most successful are those where project devel opment is separate from facil ity mana g ement.

“I’m saying that simply because the kinds of expertise required to do a good devel opment are not often found in the same place where you also find the expertise to be suc cessful marketers and oper ators for the final product."

Cameron said the conven tion business has become intensely competitive.

“A large part of the reason for that is the more enlight ened of governments have figured out that having a con vention centre isn’t simply all about filling up hotel rooms . . . the folks that are thinking it through now are realizing that a convention centre should be an integral part of an overall economic development strategy."

A convention centre can be used to suppor t broader aspi rations to become a hub for all kinds of activities — business, industrial, academic and profes sional — and that realization has encouraged many juris dictions to invest in convention centres, he said.

Therefore, any city that wants to remain competitive in the convention business needs to be prepared to invest.

“Because there is so much product available right now, if you fall behind, if you’re sub standard, you simply get by passed by the market."

More than anything, Cam eron said, communities need to g et their expectations straight in terms of what they want to get out of a convention centre.

“Having a centre means you have the opportunity to attract the type and to host the type of businesses that you want, but you still have to be very active, going out there and getting it and being able to compete effec tively in order to get it."

The expectations of conven tion planners, he said, have changed quite a bit and often a 20-year-old facility like the one in Halifax cannot adapt to con sumer demands.

“Redevelopment or construc tion of a new facility helps to make a community competitive again in a world where you’ve got to be competitive in order to survive."

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Troubling and disturbing statements in NDPer Ralph Surette's column in the Saturday Herald:

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A broad coalition is fighting a MacDonald-era plan for a new convention centre in downtown Halifax. They’ve appealed to the auditor general to get involved. It’s a public-private project (P3). The AG has just slammed P3s in schools as a terrible deal. The AG in British Columbia has just slammed a similar convention centre in downtown Vancouver, where costs doubled.

The project will block view planes in downtown Halifax and is out of step with development in other cities with a historic downtown core. And even if it goes ahead, there are places to put it without blocking view planes.

The group has met with NDP ministers where, they complain, they have been "listened to, but not heard." The letter was signed by Peter Delefes, a former NDP MLA and president of the Heritage Trust of Nova Scotia. By definition, the vast majority of the members of this coalition would be traditional NDP supporters.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/1168491.html


Undoubtedly this opposition is being led by Howard Epstein, who is at loose ends in this govt at the moment. One hopes that Dexter & co. continue to not listen, but it would not surprise me in the least if the upcoming provincial budget put a hold on the project, using the provincial finances as an excuse.
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Troubling and disturbing statements in NDPer Ralph Surette's column in the Saturday Herald:



http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/1168491.html


Undoubtedly this opposition is being led by Howard Epstein, who is at loose ends in this govt at the moment. One hopes that Dexter & co. continue to not listen, but it would not surprise me in the least if the upcoming provincial budget put a hold on the project, using the provincial finances as an excuse.
It would be good if the political forces in the Halifax area would simply hold a special vote so that residents can decide if they want view planes bylaws. This is just an excuse to block one development after another and I really wonder how many residents even think that such bylaws are necessary; it is just an obstacle to development. Why does Halifax have to be stuck with a bunch of short stubby buildings if it is just a minority that want it?
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what remains clear however is A: the towers do not obstruct any protected view planes and B: Convention center or no convention center... development on these lands is going ahead regardless, which is awesome for downtown
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The way that these individuals are acting is suspect...

Heritage Nazis is an appropriate term... they aren't using democratic channels here or really showing their intent.

This is truly sad and I don't know how downtown Halifax will look with all of these empty lots.
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Article today in allnovascotia.com says that the anti-development group issued a press release asking the Auditor-General (!) to look into the project. Clueless, as (a) he is quite busy these days and (b) the AG does not do assessments of projects before they are underway.

It also identifies the bunch behind the opposition. It is led by NDPer Peter Delefes and the Heritage Trust, along with fellow travelers Howard Epstein and Lenny Preyra. Then you have a whole bunch of groups that make you wonder why these people don't have anything better to do: Community Coalition to End Poverty in Nova Scotia (huh?); CUPE; Ecology Action Center; Friends of the Halifax Common; Peninsula South Neighborhood Association, and the Sierra Club. There is also a Facebook group referenced called Save the View.

Beyond ridiculous.
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don't know how downtown Halifax will look with all of these empty lots.
if I remember correctly the lands will be developed with or without the convention center component, so even if the anti-development folks win, we will still get a couple of towers on a huge podium with retail~commercial at grade.....it will still be a massive shot in the arm for the core
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if I remember correctly the lands will be developed with or without the convention center component, so even if the anti-development folks win, we will still get a couple of towers on a huge podium with retail~commercial at grade.....it will still be a massive shot in the arm for the core
Negative

If the convention centre isn't build the maximum height is only 8 stories i believe. Maybe less.

That to me is the better option, do residential and retail and get people living near the true CBD
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If the convention centre isn't build the maximum height is only 8 stories i believe. Maybe less.

That to me is the better option, do residential and retail and get people living near the true CBD
hmm good point. I just went looking and this proposal wasn't grandfathered, it was specifically set out in HRM By Design. HRM By Design reads

HRM shall, through the land use by-law, establish provisions and requirements to enable the development of a new publically-sponsored convention centre together with retail, hotel, residential or office, and underground parking space on the two blocks bounded by Argyle Street, Prince Street, Market Street and Sackville Street.

So if there is no convention centre, it would seem there are no exemptions and the 28 m (unless they get a bonus) would presumably be in full force.

I actually agree with you. I have never been keen about this location for a new convention centre. I would be more excited to have it down at Pier 21 or the Cogswell then here.

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I actually agree with you. I have never been keen about this location for a new convention centre. I would be more excited to have it down at Pier 21 or the Cogswell then here.
Pier 21 might be good, but is there space?

I'd rather see this land stay smaller scale residential as well. Convention centres may add huge activity at some times but residential would provide less activity but much more often.
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If the convention centre isn't build the maximum height is only 8 stories i believe. Maybe less.

That to me is the better option, do residential and retail and get people living near the true CBD
ohhh to bad

I prefer the smaller option with residential and retail too...


the core desperately needs residents....they will bring the life back to Barrington
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