ATLANTA | Development Thread VI

[GTdan]

Rendering of new SCAD Student Housing from Midtown DRC.



http://www.midtownatl.com/about/prog...2017-drc-recap

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by shivtim

^The skywalk and the parking deck are not part of the building. The sidewalk is also not part of the building.

I have one lazy eye and the other is bloodshot, but this appears to be one structure with the same address.

[jwbab]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

I have one lazy eye and the other is bloodshot, but this appears to be one structure with the same address.

Sometimes I don't know whether you are just trolling or are serious. The parking deck and skywalk were clearly tacked on later to accommodate automobile commuters, with little concern for matching the architectural style, materials, or quality of the original building. You can clearly see this in the images you have posted. I don't think anyone would be upset if the parking deck were redeveloped.

http://www.atlantatimemachine.com/do...trial_life.htm

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by jwbab

Sometimes I don't know whether you are just trolling or are serious. The parking deck and skywalk were clearly tacked on later to accommodate automobile commuters, with little concern for matching the architectural style, materials, or quality of the original building. You can clearly see this in the images you have posted. I don't think anyone would be upset if the parking deck were redeveloped.

http://www.atlantatimemachine.com/do...trial_life.htm

Honest to god, can't you folks on here recognize humor/sarcasm?

You are correct jwbab - the parking deck was "tacked on" and nobody stopped it. Therefore it is now ONE structure - not TWO. If some developer was dropped from the heavens to do an adaptive reuse on this building, what do you believe is the likelihood they would tear down the parking garage and build a new one - because commercial buildings in the COA require parking?

Net, net - no developer will ever touch this building. The land value and taxes are to high for this to make economic sense. Not mention nobody is in the market for condos or loft style offices with 8 foot ceilings and small windows nestled in a sea of parking lots.

So what everyone on here is arguing for is lack of progress because if you are successful (0% chance) then the COA will be left with an 85 year old building that will continue to decay for many decades to come.

And I am the troll?

[RocketSurgeon]

I honestly don't know what you guys see in some of these old buildings. If you ask me those cornices are nice but there's nothing else worth keeping. It's just a box with some column-like panels tacked on. The street presence sucks, the windows on the ground floor don't line up, it has no depth or symmetry, and the north facade is absolutely hideous. I think I'll skip the vigil for that one.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Honest to god, can't you folks on here recognize humor/sarcasm?

You are correct jwbab - the parking deck was "tacked on" and nobody stopped it. Therefore it is now ONE structure - not TWO. If some developer was dropped from the heavens to do an adaptive reuse on this building, what do you believe is the likelihood they would tear down the parking garage and build a new one - because commercial buildings in the COA require parking?

Net, net - no developer will ever touch this building. The land value and taxes are to high for this to make economic sense. Not mention nobody is in the market for condos or loft style offices with 8 foot ceilings and small windows nestled in a sea of parking lots.

So what everyone on here is arguing for is lack of progress because if you are successful (0% chance) then the COA will be left with an 85 year old building that will continue to decay for many decades to come.

And I am the troll?

Feel free to push your own prerogative at your NPU and planning meetings. We'll continue to do the same at ours.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by RocketSurgeon

I honestly don't know what you guys see in some of these old buildings. If you ask me those cornices are nice but there's nothing else worth keeping. It's just a box with some column-like panels tacked on. The street presence sucks, the windows on the ground floor don't line up, it has no depth or symmetry, and the north facade is absolutely hideous. I think I'll skip the vigil for that one.

I think a big issue here is Emory hasn't released their plans. All we know is that demolition is imminent, yet again, with no public knowledge of what/if anything is to come. BoZ Plaza wasn't built like a horrendous waste of space, the north and eastern facades wouldn't be an issue as they'd be covered with similar buildings directly adjacent.

[PhunkyPho]

Now, THIS is a building worth saving. I mean, Margaritaville? Seriously?

https://atlanta.curbed.com/2017/8/9/...margaritaville

[jwbab]

Honest to god, can't you folks on here recognize humor/sarcasm?

Apparently not. Most of us are just really stupid uneducated yokels.

You are correct jwbab - the parking deck was "tacked on" and nobody stopped it. Therefore it is now ONE structure - not TWO.

That's not really how it works. Unless they depend on each other for structural integrity, one can be removed and the other remain. Is this not obvious? Are you saying you could not remove one without the other?

If some developer was dropped from the heavens to do an adaptive reuse on this building, what do you believe is the likelihood they would tear down the parking garage and build a new one - because commercial buildings in the COA require parking?
Net, net - no developer will ever touch this building. The land value and taxes are to high for this to make economic sense. Not mention nobody is in the market for condos or loft style offices with 8 foot ceilings and small windows nestled in a sea of parking lots.

So what everyone on here is arguing for is lack of progress because if you are successful (0% chance) then the COA will be left with an 85 year old building that will continue to decay for many decades to come.

This is just speculation. Neither you nor I have any inside information about what is or is not possible here. Do you really think no one understands that economic realities present constraints on what is possible when considering adaptive reuse?

Maybe this building cannot feasibly be re-purposed. If that is the case, I am fine with that. But I think the default position should be to make a good faith effort to save our old stock of buildings. I don't understand why this is controversial?

And I am the troll?

Yes. Making repeated "humor/sarcasm" posts on a topic, trying to goad a response, is the definition of trolling.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Feel free to push your own prerogative at your NPU and planning meetings. We'll continue to do the same at ours.

I don't have a prerogative SA, but I am sincerely trying to understand yours and the others. Help me...

Do you honestly believe there is a developer willing to take on the expense of purchasing the land and building, renovation costs, taxes (an acre of land here is $10+ Million = lot's of property taxes), tearing down the parking garage and skywalk - building a new parking garage and god knows what else....?

Because if you don't believe there is a developer out there to take this project on and you still want to forbid Emory to demo the building for a new structure, then you are agreeing to let an 85 year old building sit there and continue to decay and shit up the neighborhood.

To me that means you are against progress and that is where I do have a prerogative. Make sense?

Furthermore, someone stated they have been trying to get historic classification on this building since 2008. Has is dawned on anyone the powers that be don't deem this structure as historic? Surely it doesn't take 9+ years for this process.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by jwbab

Apparently not. Most of us are just really stupid uneducated yokels.

I can assure you jwbab my level of education, profession and financial standing does not make me an uneducated yokel. Nor am I a robot or a person with autism that would prevent me from reading a post on an internet forum and seeing the difference between someone being humorous vs trolling. Most especially this "uneducated yokel" has a knack for spotting @$$holes.

[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Do you honestly believe there is a developer willing to take on the expense of purchasing the land and building, renovation costs, taxes (an acre of land here is $10+ Million = lot's of property taxes), tearing down the parking garage and skywalk - building a new parking garage and god knows what else....?

Yes. Yes I do. Glad we could wrap up this conversation.

[joecool]

Originally Posted by GTdan

Rendering of new SCAD Student Housing from Midtown DRC.



http://www.midtownatl.com/about/prog...2017-drc-recap

When are they planning to start on this?

[PhunkyPho]

Can't we all just get along? Aren't we too busy to hate?

[jwbab]

Integral Group filed a permit today for:

Proposal to construction 225 units of student housing on the undeveloped parcel at 556 Centennial Olympic Park Drive

Link: https://aca3.accela.com/ATLANTA_GA/C...howInspection=

This is up closer to North Avenue by Georgia Tech across from the dorms that were built for the Olympics.

[shivtim]

Originally Posted by jwbab

Integral Group filed a permit today for:



Link: https://aca3.accela.com/ATLANTA_GA/C...howInspection=

This is up closer to North Avenue by Georgia Tech across from the dorms that were built for the Olympics.

Ohh, I hope they're finally moving forward with this! They rezoned that lot way back in 2015.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by Street Advocate

Yes. Yes I do. Glad we could wrap up this conversation.

Slow down SA - this "uneducated yokel" doesn't move fast unless I am behind the wheel or the sheets.

First of all that is awesome you are highly confident a developer(s) would be lined up for the challenges of such an "historic" and costly endeavor. I am really curious the name of the developer(s) you think would be up for the task. I really would love to see their other work as I am a fan of adaptive reuse developments.

[jwbab]

Originally Posted by shivtim

Ohh, I hope they're finally moving forward with this! They rezoned that lot way back in 2015.

The subject parcel is in red. Do you know if there are any plans for the abutting vacant parcel at 168 North Ave? Seems like I remember hearing GT had plans to put a dorm there.

[shivtim]

^Hmm, I was under the impression that it's just one project. Maybe this portion just doesn't front North Ave? The proposal from 2015 was for:
Building A: 87,800sqft. 6 stories. 80' tall. 172 studio apts.
Building B: 116,200sqft. 7 stories. 90' tall. 228 studio apts.
Building C: 236,000sqft. 14 stories. 149' tall. 320 1br apts, 100 2br apts.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by PhunkyPho

Can't we all just get along? Aren't we too busy to hate?

P2 Thank You!!! Of course the folks attacking me aren't to busy to hate. As matter of fact I pulled Shivtim, Street Advocate and Jwbab's calendars and let's just let the facts speak for themselves...