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Old Posted Sep 22, 2023, 5:00 AM
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Not sure if I missed it, but does this new development have plans for a grocery store? A new grocery store will be badly needed in the downtown core with all these new tower under construction already.
This is extremely preliminary, high-level master planning. That kind of detail is years away.
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Not sure if I missed it, but does this new development have plans for a grocery store? A new grocery store will be badly needed in the downtown core with all these new tower under construction already.
It is a master plan, and individual developers will build separate lots, I believe.

But the grocery store was already proposed in One Varsity, (https://developkelowna.ca/projects/one-varsity) if you are talking downtown.

The project itself doesn't show any signs of life so far thought, just renderings, I have a feeling they are waiting for all apartments in ONE WATER to sell first lol
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It is a master plan, and individual developers will build separate lots, I believe.

But the grocery store was already proposed in One Varsity, (https://developkelowna.ca/projects/one-varsity) if you are talking downtown.

The project itself doesn't show any signs of life so far thought, just renderings, I have a feeling they are waiting for all apartments in ONE WATER to sell first lol
They still have unsold units? It feels like it's been at least a couple of years since that project was completed.
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Not sure if I missed it, but does this new development have plans for a grocery store? A new grocery store will be badly needed in the downtown core with all these new tower under construction already.
On page 46, 49, and 52, it shows a food store space on the map.
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They still have unsold units? It feels like it's been at least a couple of years since that project was completed.
Yes, they still have some ridiculously priced penthouses and stuff. Last time I saw they advertised it for 12 000 000 for the 3bedroom 4300sq f penthouse and they had like 3 of those. I don't think it was ever sold. Overall there are like 30 units for sale on Zolo right now, most are not from the developer, but I believe the 3 mill one is:
https://www.zolo.ca/kelowna-real-est...set-drive/3403
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It is a master plan, and individual developers will build separate lots, I believe.

But the grocery store was already proposed in One Varsity, (https://developkelowna.ca/projects/one-varsity) if you are talking downtown.

The project itself doesn't show any signs of life so far thought, just renderings, I have a feeling they are waiting for all apartments in ONE WATER to sell first lol
1095 Ellis St is also turning from an industrial site to a grocer called Ellis St Market.
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It is a master plan, and individual developers will build separate lots, I believe.

But the grocery store was already proposed in One Varsity, (https://developkelowna.ca/projects/one-varsity) if you are talking downtown.

The project itself doesn't show any signs of life so far thought, just renderings, I have a feeling they are waiting for all apartments in ONE WATER to sell first lol
Expect to see this project before council in coming weeks. The project has gone through numerous revisions. Link below is most recent version. Recent changes include large public plaza at grade, elimination of podium height variance, and additional design and material work on the podium.

https://apps.kelowna.ca/CityPage/Dev...%20Package.pdf
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Surprise, Surprise.

Westcorp hotel delayed again
Wayne Moore - Sep 20, 2023 - Biz Releases



Yet another setback for Westcorp, the company hoping to construct a 33-storey hotel and condominium complex on the site of the former Willow Inn Hotel near Kelowna’s downtown waterfront.

After several delays due to flooding, introduction of the speculation tax and COVID-19, Westcorp appeared before council on Sept. 20, 2022, seeking a fourth development permit for the site at the corner of Mill Street and Queensway.

The permit was granted, but because a new zoning bylaw was to be adopted in the coming weeks, the permit was valid for just one year as opposed to the customary two.

That means a building permit must be granted or the development permit would expire. That deadline is this week, and the building permit has yet to be issued.

Westcorp vice-president of operations Gail Temple confirmed Tuesday it is not prepared to go ahead with the project at this time.

“We are continuing to explore all options, but with no easing in construction pricing and interest rates, the hotel project remains unfeasible,” Temple said. “Our development permit will expire, and any upcoming forward movement with the project will require the consent of Kelowna city council.

“We will announce any news on this front as it unfolds. We appreciate the continued interest from our community.”

The latest iteration of the hotel includes 17 storeys of hotel space, a restaurant on the 18th floor and for-sale condos encompassing the remainder of the tower.

The as yet unnamed hotel has been fraught with delay after delay since the project first came to light in February 2014. The initial plan was for a 24-storey boutique hotel. Some site work did take place in the summer of 2015, but a planned March 2016 construction start was delayed because some elements of the design had not been finalized.

In November of that year, Westcorp announced a further one-year delay to give it time to explore design revisions.

A new design was unveiled in August 2017, featuring a 33-storey structure with 174 hotel rooms, 49 for-sale condos and a 17th floor restaurant. Council approved a development permit despite objections from city staff.

Construction was paused when the province introduced the speculation tax, again prompting a redesign and a new development permit in August 2018.

More alterations were made in late 2019 in advance of the anticipated opening of a show suite and unveiling of the name in March 2020, but COVID-19 shut down the world a week prior, scuttling those plans.

A new development permit was again approved in September of last year, which is now about to lapse.
https://okanaganedge.net/2023/09/20/...delayed-again/
Times are tough right now. According to CMHC, housing starts are down close to 50% from last year, concerning when we already have a housing shortage. In addition to Westcorp, BC Housing's 20 storey tower on Bertram and several apartment buildings are expiring this week. Interest rates and construction costs are slowing thing considerably.
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Expect to see this project before council in coming weeks. The project has gone through numerous revisions. Link below is most recent version. Recent changes include large public plaza at grade, elimination of podium height variance, and additional design and material work on the podium.

https://apps.kelowna.ca/CityPage/Dev...%20Package.pdf
Oh thank you, I am wondering if they are going to actually build it under the current market, but it would be a cool intersection along with UBCO for active downtown in the wintertime.

Otherwise, it's pretty dead now after the tourist season ends.
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Times are tough right now. According to CMHC, housing starts are down close to 50% from last year, concerning when we already have a housing shortage. In addition to Westcorp, BC Housing's 20 storey tower on Bertram and several apartment buildings are expiring this week. Interest rates and construction costs are slowing thing considerably.
Do you know the status of Mission Groups rental building on Bertram?
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2023, 8:56 PM
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Do you know the status of Mission Groups rental building on Bertram?
They have now applied for building permit. Takes time to finish all architectural drawings after council approvals.
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1095 Ellis St is also turning from an industrial site to a grocer called Ellis St Market.
This looks dead since 2022? Website and social accounts died last summer.
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This looks dead since 2022? Website and social accounts died last summer.
I thought so too but there’s been a lot of activity on site the past few weeks.
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https://www.kelownanow.com/#fs_129781

The Thorlaksons are done milking the forests in BC and this is their legacy proposal?
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The Thorlaksons are done milking the forests in BC and this is their legacy proposal?
Can you be a bit more specific with the link?
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Can you be a bit more specific with the link?

The link is now broken, but it was about the preliminary plans for the Downtown North End, and Councillor Loyal Wooldridge's criticism about them. The Thorlaksons who own the land operated a mill on it, along with many others. They have since shut down many of them and divested heavily out of the Canadian market and into the US. Their last hurrah for this land with nearly limitless potential is something that appears to be something with the most minimal amount of public benefit for residents. This is in spite of the billions of dollars the Thorlaksons have extracted from these communities through forestry operations.
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Some very, very disappointing results in that study, but not surprising.

Short story, we are not going to see a limited access highway 97 between Peachland and Vernon in our life times, if ever.

Instead we will get short segments of freeways interrupted by urban cores.

In West Kelowna there is a plan to be grade separated between Daimer Drive (interchange) to the current Westside Interchange. Between Grizzly Road and Gosset Rd. doesn't seem to be directly addressed.

Now here is the joke, long term plan for downtown Westbank is to keep the highway at grade along Dobbin Road! Yes, you read that right, an arterial road sandwiched between two expressway sections. All alternate route scenerios have been dropped and wont be studied further...

Oh, and no mention of a tunnel option.


No joke, this is only plan being considered:

joke1 by Ian, on Flickr

Next is Peachland, and yep, only minor improvements. No alternate route, no four lane expansion for at least 20 years...

After that, through Kelowna, expect no new expressway route, no new second crossing, just a sixth lane added to the existing bridge.... or even cheaper... a counter flow system! Oh god... oh, and unlike before where they said they may make express lanes along the existing corridor in the absence of not continuing the new expressway and bridge option, well, that's also been dropped. Enjoy your traffic nightmare forever!

From there, from the University to the Jammery we will get grade separated free flow again, but done in stages, so don't worry, time wasting money wasting traffic lights will be added first, before full interchanges that we know will likely never happen (seeing how all the expressway plans on paper for decades have now disappeared).

Through Winfield itself north of Commonwealth to Oceola Road is another spot lacking in any real information / plan.

From there, it looks like the 97 could become grade separated standards to Vernon... maybe, apparently doing so would be bad for inclusivity....... now we know who is doing these studies...

whatagain by Ian, on Flickr

Somehow adding interchanges and frontage roads in this largely rural stretch along a mountains side is "bad" for affordability, livability and "inclusivity" ... like, how? How is that any worse than a four lane expressway with at grade traffic lights? I would think having local frontage roads would be better for those living in the areas? No????? And not needing to cross a dangerous four lane divided (by median barrier) expressway with people traveling over 100km/h for every trip???

So, there it is, a bizarre hodgepodge of grade separated expressway, two lane arterial, and everything in between!

This is funny though, for some reason some interchanges get double green checkmarks for "inclusivity," livability and affordability, and others in very similar built environments of light industrial get a big old red X??????

What. by Ian, on Flickr

Joke2 by Ian, on Flickr


In the end, what a joke.

But I guess bus que jumping lanes and some bike lanes will solve all of the 97's traffic problems! Enjoy your traffic nightmare forever! All eggs in one terribly designed basket!

It's equally funny that at the same time the current study for Kamloops' transportation improvements are almost entirely freeway / interchange upgrade considerations for the #1 and #5.

But, whatever, at this point the people of the Okanagan will only have themselves to blame for having hodgepodge highway and transit infrastructure that will be hindering each other forever sharing a single congested corridor with no real cohesive plan. The current Kelowna city council themselves are against a second crossing and are the ones who nixed the Clement expressway plan (which woulld have freed up Harvey to be majorly downgraded to a more local road with a real robust transit backbone).
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Biggest push is going to be mass transit. Primary focus in Kelowna widening the hwy from 6 to 8 lanes to facilitate Bus rapid transit. First steps before future LRT.

Additionally, the Clement Road extension is a massive priority for council. Previous council secured funding for the design work and current council is already working with the province to secure funding.


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