Winnipeg - Of Interest - Page 225

esquire · #**4481** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 1:24 AM**

^ Years ago I looked at a US metro population chart and El Paso was one of, if not the closest, cities to Winnipeg... ever since then it has stuck in my mind as a comparably-sized US city

Luisito · #**4482** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 1:43 AM**

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The Winnipeg Sea Bears unveiled their logo and announced that they will be playing at Canada Life Centre this summer.

They are Winnipeg's sixth pro sports team... seventh if you consider the ICE, given that the WHL is kind of a de facto pro league. Pretty amazing considering the Winnipeg I grew up in only had two pro teams, and then eventually gained a third in the late 80s.

Cool logo..

WinCitySparky · #**4483** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 3:29 AM**

Holy shit guys, they’re talking about zoning changes including elimination of parking minimums

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...mise-1.6670193

Luisito · #**4484** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 3:47 AM**

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...mise-1.6670193

That's good news, I hope it works out well and there is more of this put up.

thebasketballgeek · #**4485** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 9:41 AM**

Wait so Gilingham is actually following through on his promises? If I remember in his platform he said that parking minimums would be first removed on Portage and Pembina as a trial run because those streets speak for themselves. If successful, it would be either implemented City wide or expanded on other major commercial streets. Then of course the main point of the article was the modular housing which seems to have made a big step forward with P&D committee waiving property taxes and development fees for the modular housing.

Is Gilingham and this council actually getting shit done this time?

WinCitySparky · #**4486** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 1:25 PM**

Who knows but I really hope this goes down. It would change the whole game for the better.

WinCitySparky · #**4487** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 2:30 PM**

Another article with more focus on the rezoning ideas/downtown office conversions conversation

https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/turning-...town-1.6176268

Love that Sherri Rollins!

esquire · #**4488** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 2:41 PM**

I wonder what the remaining obstacles are to repurposing commercial (office, warehouse) space to residential? It feels like these conversions have been going on for years, going back to the days of the Ashdown Loft conversion, and it has been continuing with numerous outdated office buildings getting the residential treatment (Sterling Building, Medical Arts Building, Lindsay Building, etc.).

We are sitting pretty at the moment, the only significant vacant downtown office building I can think of is the Boyd Building, but that is probably more due to who owns it than any zoning rules that are getting in the way.

WinCitySparky · #**4489** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 2:44 PM**

^ Still boggles my mind why Boyd still sits empty.

Biff · #**4490** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 3:38 PM**

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^ Years ago I looked at a US metro population chart and El Paso was one of, if not the closest, cities to Winnipeg... ever since then it has stuck in my mind as a comparably-sized US city

Funny, I was curious and pulled this from http://www.iweblists.com/us/populati...alAreaPop.html

These are our memorable comparison cities in the US. I always like to think of us as bigger, but... Using the Winnipeg metro pop of approx 850,000 or just over 700,000 for city proper. We would be right around 70th biggest in the States.

We are right in there with Allentown, McAllan and Millford. Sounds like a bit in the Simpsons.

For Esquire there is El Paso sitting at 868,000.

Pop column on the left is 2020 census, right column in 2010 census.

esquire · #**4491** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 3:56 PM**

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These are our memorable comparison cities in the US. I always like to think of us as bigger, but...

I guess we are in a much smaller pond than the cities on those list... even a Torontonian who has never set foot in any Canadian province outside of Ontario will have at least some general awareness of Winnipeg even if it doesn't run much deeper than "flat... cold... Jets... floods...".

By contrast, I doubt New Yorkers would have any kind of mental image of Allentown, McAllen or Oxnard at all.

(And is it just me, or does Oxnard sound funny to say out loud?)

And to take it back to the sports team topic, the biggest sports team in town in those cities would be NCAA football/basketball or minor league baseball/hockey. Even the CFL is way beyond what those cities have at a pro level, never mind the NHL.

esquire · #**4492** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 4:08 PM**

Our Texas twin... I'd say that our skyline is better, but they have a varied topography that adds a certain je ne sais quoi

bomberjet · #**4493** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 4:28 PM**

Based on that list, I'd like to think of Winnipeg more as a Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA city than a New Haven-Milford, CT city. haha

esquire · #**4494** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 4:38 PM**

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Based on that list, I'd like to think of Winnipeg more as a Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA city than a New Haven-Milford, CT city. haha

At the risk of really getting into the weeds here, part of why I like El Paso as a comparator for Winnipeg is because it is very much a standalone city that isn't in the shadow of a larger city nearby (yes, I know, Juarez, but the point is that El Paso isn't a suburb or exurb of a larger place).

Places like New Haven and Oxnard are basically outer suburbs for New York and LA respectively.

Even Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton strikes me more as a bunch of smaller cities mashed together for census purposes than a true solitary metro.

Luisito · #**4495** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 5:14 PM**

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At the risk of really getting into the weeds here, part of why I like El Paso as a comparator for Winnipeg is because it is very much a standalone city that isn't in the shadow of a larger city nearby (yes, I know, Juarez, but the point is that El Paso isn't a suburb or exurb of a larger place).

Places like New Haven and Oxnard are basically outer suburbs for New York and LA respectively.
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Exactly what I was going to say. Those places are basically suburbs of massive metro areas. Winnipeg is much more comparable to places like El Paso or Omaha, Nebraska. Both in size and the fact they are not suburbs.

esquire · #**4496** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 5:20 PM**

Interesting that you mention Omaha, at one point I considered it similar to Winnipeg until I looked it up and realized that they have considerably more people than metro Winnipeg. 1.058 million. Even if you account for the loose American approach to MSA boundaries, that's still a lot.

Funny thing is that it doesn't really look bigger than Winnipeg, at least if you go by skylines...

cheswick · #**4497** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 5:50 PM**

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^ Still boggles my mind why Boyd still sits empty.

It's a strange one because my dentist was in that building and was kicked out and was told they were going to do condo conversion. How many years ago was this already?

wags_in_the_peg · #**4498** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 5:50 PM**

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I guess we are in a much smaller pond than the cities on those list... even a Torontonian who has never set foot in any Canadian province outside of Ontario will have at least some general awareness of Winnipeg even if it doesn't run much deeper than "flat... cold... Jets... floods...".

By contrast, I doubt New Yorkers would have any kind of mental image of Allentown, McAllen or Oxnard at all.

(And is it just me, or does Oxnard sound funny to say out loud?)

And to take it back to the sports team topic, the biggest sports team in town in those cities would be NCAA football/basketball or minor league baseball/hockey. Even the CFL is way beyond what those cities have at a pro level, never mind the NHL.

some of those places get 6000 people for high school football though! I was in Maryville, TN, population 35000 and they had max capacity 6000 every game!

WildCake · #**4499** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 5:59 PM**

Yea I would say in terms of city design and progress Winnipeg would sit a bit higher on the list. I have no data to back this up and I'm not doing a search but in my travels it just seems US cities are sprawlier than Canadian cities, despite the similar timeline of the urbanization of US and Canada. So our US counterparts need more population before their downtown areas build upward.

We definitely have a larger "downtown" with taller buildings, I wonder how many of those cities have dedicated transit infrastructure such as BRT or LRT.

esquire · #**4500** Posted **Dec 1, 2022, 6:01 PM**

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some of those places get 6000 people for high school football though! I was in Maryville, TN, population 35000 and they had max capacity 6000 every game!

Well yeah, if we didn't have the Jets, Bombers, etc., then I'm sure high school sports would draw quite well here too...