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Old Posted Mar 24, 2010, 9:25 PM
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I agree with the earlier post. A new Coliseum (Multipurpose facility) needs to be built down, close to Riverwalk Stadium and the Hotels. Montgomery needs a entertainment district, an excitement center and downtown can be that.
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That's going to be $30M down the tube if they don't at least install an air conditioning system in the coliseum.
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Speaking of new facilities...


Montgomery Biscuits give rise to city's hope for new facility
Posted: Mar 24, 2010 5:49 PM CDT
Updated: Mar 24, 2010 7:19 PM CDT
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MONTGOMERY, AL (WSFA) - When Montgomery city leaders borrowed $26 million to build Riverwalk Stadium critics said it wouldn't work. The debt payment is around $1.2 million a year and baseball officials initially estimated the season average would be around 250,000 people a year.

"We think it's turned out well for everybody," said General Manager Greg Rauch.

So far so good. The Biscuits are ahead of the game on paying down the debt. In fact, the team is now averaging between 280,000 and 300,000 people per season.

All this is happening despite a punishing recession.

"With tickets being $8 a piece we're still cheaper than the movies," Rauch reminded everyone.

Rauch says the front office is already making plans to replace the 7-year-old scoreboard in left field with a new one in a couple of years. A new scoreboard will cost at least $700,000.

While the team hasn't produced a championship every season, the Biscuits financial model is turning out to be an inspiration for the newly-created Central Alabama Sports Commission.

"They built it, they came," said Montgomery Mayor Todd Strange.

Mayor Strange says the city and the commission are seriously looking at building a multi-purpose indoor facility to accommodate sporting events such as volleyball and wrestling tournaments, similar to what the city of Pelham, a city outside of Birmingham, is doing.

One option in making the indoor facility a reality is borrowing 12 to 13 million dollars, something the mayor says the city could do considering the news he got just this week.

"Yesterday our bond rating improved from Double A to Double A Plus," said Mayor Strange.

One way or the other the mayor believes a definitive decision on whether to go forward with the proposed indoor athletic center will come in about 90 days.
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Yes, and it must be downtown. The mayor talked about the sports event that had such a great time here that they want to double the size of the event next year. But that's because they enjoyed the venue being downtown.
A friend of mine posted on Facebook that the Mayor had mentioned (at a meeting or press conference) that the proposed multi-purpose sports arena might be built adjacent, or in the area of, our existing coliseum.

That thought gave me a cold chill. I agree with what almost everyone else has said, this facility should be downtown somewhere...
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I would wager he's just tossing that out to silence the whiners who hate downtown. The mayor's staff is committed to new urbanist principles and is actively engaged in a process of conceiving methods to improve the viability of the urban core.

But if it came down to facility at the coliseum or no facility at all, I think the city would still benefit.
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A friend of mine posted on Facebook that the Mayor had mentioned (at a meeting or press conference) that the proposed multi-purpose sports arena might be built adjacent, or in the area of, our existing coliseum.

That thought gave me a cold chill. I agree with what almost everyone else has said, this facility should be downtown somewhere...
Wouldn't that be a project where the State would probably want to partner with the County & City?
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Game a sign of good things going on downtown

Column by Josh Moon • March 25, 2010

Riverwalk Stadium was the theatre for a rather odd scene Wednesday night.

Thousands of fans, most of them draped in Alabama crim­son and white or Auburn orange and blue, were crammed into the place. There were city offi­cials and a variety of media types. There were bunches of kids and a few seniors.

And almost all of them were having a good time.

Strange, right?

Here we are in the age of end­less arguing — Republicans and Democrats, Saban and Chizik, death panels and public options — and we’ve got smiles and laughs. And got’em by the thou­sands.

You have to imagine that this was the scene former Mayor Bobby Bright and other city leaders envisioned when they decided to build this place.

A packed house.

Good baseball.

Good times.

It’s the kind of thing that leaves a lasting impression on people. It’s the kind of event that can do more good for your city than a year’s worth of expensive PR work.

And that’s why Montgomery Mayor Todd Strange wants to see more events like it.

“It’s perfect for what we want to do,” Strange said. “You bring in a lot of people from the River Region and they get a whole new idea of what (the downtown area) is about. They see that it’s safe, that it’s vibrant and that there are a ton of options for them down here.”

The success of this game isn’t exactly a secret. It was a sellout this year. It was a sellout last year. The interest is overwhelm­ing and draws people from all over central Alabama.

“If you were downtown after the rainout (on March 9) and trying to eat, there were hour and a half waits at places,” Strange said. “Now, that may mean we need more places to eat, but it also tells you there were a lot of people roaming around the downtown area, and most of them are from the River Region.”

Strange said the general rule for estimating economic impact is to calculate $50-$70 for every person not staying overnight, or $170 for everyone staying over­night. So, at a minimum the city took in better $350,000 for the night.

And that doesn’t calculate the good PR or the ticket sales.

All of that is why Strange would like to see a couple more of these type games and possibly other events.

Strange mentioned that the city’s working to attract decent concerts and other sporting events. They’ve already lured the National Private School Ath­letic Association softball and baseball championships and its football all-star game. Those games will take place in late May. And planned renovations to Garrett Coliseum and Cram­ton Bowl could bring in other events.

Some of those plans, of course, depend on money. And a lot of the money depends on how willing the general public is to think big.

That has historically been a problem around here. Remem­ber the teeth gnashing and harsh words when Bright forced this stadium project through?

But look at the downtown area now. There are restaurants and bars and very nice hotels. People roam the streets after dark — and few, if any, try to take your wallet. Even for a his­torically negative guy like my­self, there’s no denying the un­believable upgrades down here.

And there’s no reason that the area can’t continue to grow.

And that doesn’t calculate the good PR or the ticket sales.

All of that is why Strange would like to see a couple more of these type games and possibly other events.

Strange mentioned that the city’s working to attract decent concerts and other sporting events. They’ve already lured the National Private School Ath­letic Association softball and baseball championships and its football all-star game. Those games will take place in late May. And planned renovations to Garrett Coliseum and Cram­ton Bowl could bring in other events.

Some of those plans, of course, depend on money. And a lot of the money depends on how willing the general public is to think big.

That has historically been a problem around here. Remem­ber the teeth gnashing and harsh words when Bright forced this stadium project through?

But look at the downtown area now. There are restaurants and bars and very nice hotels. People roam the streets after dark — and few, if any, try to take your wallet. Even for a his­torically negative guy like my­self, there’s no denying the un­believable upgrades down here.

And there’s no reason that the area can’t continue to grow.
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Game a sign of good things going on downtown

Column by Josh Moon • March 25, 2010

Riverwalk Stadium was the theatre for a rather odd scene Wednesday night.

Thousands of fans, most of them draped in Alabama crim­son and white or Auburn orange and blue, were crammed into the place. There were city offi­cials and a variety of media types. There were bunches of kids and a few seniors.

And almost all of them were having a good time.

Strange, right?

Here we are in the age of end­less arguing — Republicans and Democrats, Saban and Chizik, death panels and public options — and we’ve got smiles and laughs. And got’em by the thou­sands.

You have to imagine that this was the scene former Mayor Bobby Bright and other city leaders envisioned when they decided to build this place.

A packed house.

Good baseball.

Good times.

It’s the kind of thing that leaves a lasting impression on people. It’s the kind of event that can do more good for your city than a year’s worth of expensive PR work.

And that’s why Montgomery Mayor Todd Strange wants to see more events like it.

“It’s perfect for what we want to do,” Strange said. “You bring in a lot of people from the River Region and they get a whole new idea of what (the downtown area) is about. They see that it’s safe, that it’s vibrant and that there are a ton of options for them down here.”

The success of this game isn’t exactly a secret. It was a sellout this year. It was a sellout last year. The interest is overwhelm­ing and draws people from all over central Alabama.

“If you were downtown after the rainout (on March 9) and trying to eat, there were hour and a half waits at places,” Strange said. “Now, that may mean we need more places to eat, but it also tells you there were a lot of people roaming around the downtown area, and most of them are from the River Region.”

Strange said the general rule for estimating economic impact is to calculate $50-$70 for every person not staying overnight, or $170 for everyone staying over­night. So, at a minimum the city took in better $350,000 for the night.

And that doesn’t calculate the good PR or the ticket sales.

All of that is why Strange would like to see a couple more of these type games and possibly other events.

Strange mentioned that the city’s working to attract decent concerts and other sporting events. They’ve already lured the National Private School Ath­letic Association softball and baseball championships and its football all-star game. Those games will take place in late May. And planned renovations to Garrett Coliseum and Cram­ton Bowl could bring in other events.

Some of those plans, of course, depend on money. And a lot of the money depends on how willing the general public is to think big.

That has historically been a problem around here. Remem­ber the teeth gnashing and harsh words when Bright forced this stadium project through?

But look at the downtown area now. There are restaurants and bars and very nice hotels. People roam the streets after dark — and few, if any, try to take your wallet. Even for a his­torically negative guy like my­self, there’s no denying the un­believable upgrades down here.

And there’s no reason that the area can’t continue to grow.

And that doesn’t calculate the good PR or the ticket sales.

All of that is why Strange would like to see a couple more of these type games and possibly other events.

Strange mentioned that the city’s working to attract decent concerts and other sporting events. They’ve already lured the National Private School Ath­letic Association softball and baseball championships and its football all-star game. Those games will take place in late May. And planned renovations to Garrett Coliseum and Cram­ton Bowl could bring in other events.

Some of those plans, of course, depend on money. And a lot of the money depends on how willing the general public is to think big.

That has historically been a problem around here. Remem­ber the teeth gnashing and harsh words when Bright forced this stadium project through?

But look at the downtown area now. There are restaurants and bars and very nice hotels. People roam the streets after dark — and few, if any, try to take your wallet. Even for a his­torically negative guy like my­self, there’s no denying the un­believable upgrades down here.

And there’s no reason that the area can’t continue to grow.
Lots of fun downtown at the game last night. Everywhere around the stadium was definetely hopping... Even bumped into tsully76 and hiijakd at the game between beer runs!
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2010, 3:36 AM
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A friend of mine posted on Facebook that the Mayor had mentioned (at a meeting or press conference) that the proposed multi-purpose sports arena might be built adjacent, or in the area of, our existing coliseum.

That thought gave me a cold chill. I agree with what almost everyone else has said, this facility should be downtown somewhere...
Agriculture Commissioner Ron Sparks proposed renovating the coliseum and building a multi-purpose arena next to it about a year ago. The Mayor is probably thinking about that as a possible backup plan with the state if the city can't build an adequate arena on its own downtown.

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Wouldn't that be a project where the State would probably want to partner with the County & City?
Yes, but if the state wants to work with the city, then the city should try to convince the state to build a joint facility downtown. Other than that, the city (and the county) should do its thing alone. Let the state take responsibility of taking care of its much, much, much neglected coliseum. I don't trust the state to do much of anything right anyway.
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You know what I wanna know? Why don't Montgomery County and Montgomery just consolidate? Wouldn't it take out a lot of red tape? I mean, like 80% of Montgomery County lives in Montgomery anyways... Might help in this venture to build a new facility.
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You know what I wanna know? Why don't Montgomery County and Montgomery just consolidate? Wouldn't it take out a lot of red tape? I mean, like 80% of Montgomery County lives in Montgomery anyways... Might help in this venture to build a new facility.
Because of Pike Rd and because of race.

While Montgomery is very 'urban' (to use a codeword), most of Montgomery County is very rural. Ramer, Grady, Pintlala et. al. are all happy not to be part of 'the big city'.

And Pike Rd loves their little fiefdom over there.
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You know what I wanna know? Why don't Montgomery County and Montgomery just consolidate? Wouldn't it take out a lot of red tape? I mean, like 80% of Montgomery County lives in Montgomery anyways... Might help in this venture to build a new facility.
I don't think consolidation would work to well in Alabama counties, they are really too large. In other states, like Georgia, consolidation works so well because the counties are much smaller.

Not to mentions the politics of it all!
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Montgomery County, AL is smaller than Duval County, FL. I don't think that size is a problem. What I look at is how much of the county is the city, and more than most of Montgomery County, AL is the city of Montgomery.
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more than most of Montgomery County, AL is the city of Montgomery.
You've lost your mind .
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Montgomery County, AL is smaller than Duval County, FL. I don't think that size is a problem. What I look at is how much of the county is the city, and more than most of Montgomery County, AL is the city of Montgomery.
Your right about size, but I guess what I was thinking about was the unincorporated area. The unincorporated area in Montgomery County seems to be much larger (percentage wise) than the unincorporated area of Duval County. But when I think when it comes to consolidation, more of the issue seems to be the mentality of those effected. I'm not sure how it was handled in Duval County, but I grew up in a consolidated county in Georgia and in the 70s when it was consolidated there were some very tense debates about how it would be handled.

I'm curious if it would even be possible under our constitution to consolidate the two.
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more than most of Montgomery County, AL is the city of Montgomery.
You are obviously looking at a map that is a LOT DIFFERENT than any map I have ever seen!
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Red = Montgomery, grey = Pike Rd, rest = unincorporated.
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Montgomery should merge.

Actually MOntgomery makes up roughly 90% of the county's population. 204,000 city 229,000 county. But i get your point and they should merge. Just lik jacksonville fla. and the buildings should be downtown.
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They talked about merging for twenty years. But it was just that, talk. Now that pike Road is incorporated, it becomes even harder to do because of politics and other reasons. But many people will see really quick that Pike road doesn't have the revenue to support its superficial size.

Many already want to de-annex from Pike Road because they cannot provide the services that the residents were promised and are demanding.
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