The Official Moncton, NB Project Thread

[StormShadow]

Originally Posted by JasonL-Moncton

I agree SS...I went to the Aerosmith concert and that was a nightmare (band was great, site was not). So I am not holding my breath for that.

They have to be relying entirely on tourists, there's not enough people in the immediate vicinity. 30,000 is the most they can expect, otherwise Hell might freeze over.

Yeah, think about it, it's on an island.

Originally Posted by JasonL-Moncton

Bridgedale Blvd. in Riverview has been put on hold:

That road which was to open up dozens of acres of commercial space?

[michael_d40]

Originally Posted by q12

Halifax has hosted many successful events, including all three major world hockey champions (womens, mens, and juniors), which no other city in the world has done.

You have one big concert in a field and you think your going to end up with every major event in in the region, get real. Moncton is a small boring town in the middle of nowhere, and if I had to live there for more than a day I think I'd go insane.

P.S. Halifax is more like 400,000 not to mention a beautiful city.

I agree!

[StormShadow]

Originally Posted by q12

Halifax has hosted many successful events, including all three major world hockey champions (womens, mens, and juniors), which no other city in the world has done.

Excellent job. I'm sure Halifax will welcome an NHL team with open arms.

Originally Posted by q12

You have one big concert in a field and you think your going to end up with every major event in in the region, get real. Moncton is a small boring town in the middle of nowhere, and if I had to live there for more than a day I think I'd go insane.

You get real. It's Halifax and Moncton we are talking about here. Two ants fighting over crumbs at a picnic.

Originally Posted by q12

P.S. Halifax is more like 400,000 not to mention a beautiful city.

Yes, a beautiful city. Dully noted.

If they amalgamate it with the rest of the province, it could hit a million. I don't see why? Halifax is already 4 times the land mass of the city of Los Angeles and nearly 10 times the size of Toronto.

[StormShadow]

Originally Posted by michael_d40

I agree!

Hello there

I'm looking forward to the big rock show out at Magnetic Hill this summer. I'm hearing out here it could be one of U2 or AC/DC. Bon Jovi might be in the mix too. So what do you guys have lined up?

Make sure it isn't anything for mid-June, can't make it. My gf just scored floor tickets at the ACC for No Doubt/ Paramore this morning.

[JasonL-Moncton]

Originally Posted by michael_d40

I agree!

Of course you do.

q12...one big concert in a field...

Really...??

1998 - Lynrd Skynrd, Heart, Peter Frampton, Steppenwolf, Foreigner, Toronto, Headpins. Two days, 40,000+ per day.

2005 - Maroon 5, Our Lady Peace, Tragically Hip, Rolling Stones. 85,000
- Promoter invest's in $250K stage pad at concert site (increased infrastructure)

2006 - Brooks & Dunn, Alan Jackson, Sugarland, George Canyon. 45,000

2007 - J.P. Cormier, Jessie Farrell, Shirley Albert, The Divorcees, Leahy, George Canyon, Johnny Reid, Faith Hill, Tim McGraw. 50,000

2008 - John Fogerty, KT Tunstall, Sam Roberts, The Eagles. 55,000
-Province invest's 1.2 Million into infrastructure improvements include: enhancing power sources, artists' backstage administration area, washrooms, crowd control barricades, and other capital items.

2009 - AC/DC? U2? ???
- Current talk is there is going to be two large concerts this summer on 'the hill'.
- Province/City investing more $$ into concert site for increased infrastructure.

One big concert...dude, please.

I've been to all three provinces for outdoor concerts (I was at 'both' Stones concerts), even if I didn't live here, I would say hands down, Magnetic Hill is the best venue. No question. Yes Halifax has successfully put on some great events...but it should leave the outdoor concerts to Moncton.

JL

[@Champlain]

Originally Posted by StormShadow

Excellent job. I'm sure Halifax will welcome an NHL team with open arms.



You get real. It's Halifax and Moncton we are talking about here. Two ants fighting over crumbs at a picnic.



Yes, a beautiful city. Dully noted.

If they amalgamate it with the rest of the province, it could hit a million. I don't see why? Halifax is already 4 times the land mass of the city of Los Angeles and nearly 10 times the size of Toronto.

If you compare HRM with LA and TO, at least compare them with their respective metro area and not just with the city proper. HRM is considered a metropolitan area.
HRM-(Urban) is 262km2 / Metro is 5490km2
LA-(City) is 3168km2 / Metro is 12562km2
TO-(City) is 630km2 / Metro is 5903km2

(Since the city proper doesn't really exist in Halifax, I used the urban area instead and 4/5 of the metro area in Halifax are undeveloped areas anyway)

I'm not taking the side of Halifax, it's just that people blurb out things without numbers to back them...
The size of a city is not "worth" much, it's the size of its population and economic value that makes a city.

[JasonL-Moncton]

Originally Posted by JasonL-Moncton

Just heard on the radio...

- Large 3-day country concert to be announced today for Cavendish PEI

(It's concert announcement time!)

JL

http://www.cavendishbeachmusic.com/

July 10th - Doc Walker, Aaron Lines
July 11th - Tim McGraw
July 12th - Reba McEntire

More to be added.

JL

[StormShadow]

Originally Posted by @Champlain

If you compare HRM with LA and TO, at least compare them with their respective metro area and not just with the city proper. HRM is considered a metropolitan area.
HRM-(Urban) is 262km2 / Metro is 5490km2
LA-(City) is 3168km2 / Metro is 12562km2
TO-(City) is 630km2 / Metro is 5903km2

(Since the city proper doesn't really exist in Halifax, I used the urban area instead and 4/5 of the metro area in Halifax are undeveloped areas anyway)

I'm not taking the side of Halifax, it's just that people blurb out things without numbers to back them...
The size of a city is not "worth" much, it's the size of its population and economic value that makes a city.

Sarcasm.

The point I was making is that even Halifax can reach a population of a million people if you stretch the city limits far enough. It would have to include the entire province, of course.

Y'know, you want to amalgamate Halifax/Dartmouth? Fine. But I would be pissed if I lived in Peggy's Cove, or Sackville for that matter.


Back on topic to Development in Metro Moncton.....

About this issue that has come up with Moncton not having an English University. Moncton has everything else, so it needs a true English speaking University. A solution could be to amalgamate most of New Brunswick- sans Frederiction and Saint John of course (y'know they would just never go for it). Do include Sackville and therefore St. Mary's would become Moncton's English University. Naturally, Moncton could also swallow up Shediac and assume the title of Lobster Capital of the World. Parlee Beach could be used to host concerts again on the days Magnetic Hill gets double booked. I must say, it's too bad the city would have to stop at the Northumberland Strait and not be able to include the Cows ice cream at Borden, P.E.I. Because then, Moncton would truly have EVERYTHING!

/Sarcasm off

[Sony500]

Its ok Stormshadow, i caught the sarcasm, you can't compare a city like Toronto to Moncton, and at least if you live 40 kms outside of Moncton, it don't take 2.5 hours to get to work. Buddy, you can have your big city.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by Haliguy

True but I would hate to see a team finally come to the Maritimes and then fail after a few years.

As for population what you say has merit, but you have to realize Sask fans are die hard and come from all over the province it would be hard pressed to have that type of support here. The CFL because we haven't had a team here is not that big in Atlantic Canada. It would take many years of having a team here to get that kind of support and even than its not a sure thing.

I'm not against a team in Moncton but I just don't think it makes a lot of business sense.

Everything you're saying is valid, but the Maritimes needs to try. The CFL is very keen to gain a beach head in this region. It's obvious that a team in either Halifax or Moncton is a tricky proposition, but it's time for action. The relevant concerns have all been fleshed out in great length. What is clear is that there are enough positives to make a calculated and determined attempt at securing a CFL team worth while.

If this region can be cultivated into another football mad region like Saskatchewan, isn't it worth trying? The alternative is another few decades watching pro sports from the sidelines. Instead of debating endlessly about this, Maritimers need to adopt a 'yes we can' attitude. In all honesty, if you want this badly enough, you can have 2 teams in the Maritimes. The Riders draw from a province of 1,000,000. New Brunswick is at 800,000 and Nova Scotia is at 940,000. Honestly!

There's no reason why both New Brunswick and Nova Scotia can't both evolve into another Saskatchewan in terms of passion for football. Halifax is half way there; SMU Football?

Stop bickering about where to put a team and convince the CFL that you can both do it. One team in Moncton, one team in Halifax and you can have a competition to see which city can post the highest average attendance each season. Not only will you both prosper, but you'll enrich the culture of both your provinces. Two Maritime teams would make the CFL a better league and a stronger league.

Enough talk. Get it done, and build something for the people of your respectively provinces to enjoy that they've never had before: pro sports. Neither Moncton or Halifax are too small, but you've convinced yourselves that you are.

[gehrhardt]

I agree, now can we please move this discussion to the "CFL in the Maritimes" thread? This is the Moncton development thread.

[StormShadow]

Absolutely, I didn't realize there was another thread on the CFL. Can the Mods possibly move the CFL related posts out of here and into that one? please?

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by StormShadow

I would hope so, we're talking about one city of 350,000 vs. one of 125,000 right? Halifax has successfully hosted the World Jr.'s and the Memorial Cup and then some. But since you asked, here's my take on it:

2 events from the Maritimes have made national news headlines in the past couple of years:

#1- Rolling Stones concert at Magnetic Hill, one of largest crowd sizes in Canadian concert history.

#2- The Celine Dion Concert cancellation in Halifax. Love or hate Celine Dion, it was Halifax's ATTITUDE that got national press and for all the wrong reasons. For concert promoters, it gave the city a black eye and it will hurt them when trying to attract the large outdoor shows.

When you go back and look at what could have been the Atlantic Schooners and look at how Halifax also had the Commonwealth Games in the bag, but walked away from them; it adds up to a city that is apathetic for major events.

Just to be clear, I do not doubt Halifax has hosted many successful events. By the same token, you have to acknowledge the failures. In comparison, Moncton has a track record of overachieving. Concert promoters and a league like the CFL are going to explore other options instead.



I like PEI, it's a beautiful place, but that concert site has got to be difficult to get to. When you add it all up, that's a tough sell.

Events Halifax has hosted off the top of my head which were all very successful

- The World Juniors 2003 - broke records for attendance

- IIHF Worlds

- The tall ships (5 times) 1984, 2000, 2004 2007 and comming up in 2009

- The G7 1995

- Womens Worlds Hockey 2004

- The Juno awards 2006

- The Memorial cup 2000

- The Brier (Several of times)

- The Rolling Stones 2006

- World Figure Skating 1992




There has been failures thats for sure which I'm not happy about altough I couldn't care less about Celine Dion in some ways I think she looked just as bad. Halifax has had a lot more going than Moncton we'll see if Moncton doesn't have any failures into the future. I do predict a CFL team in Moncton if it happens would be a failure.

[StormShadow]

Originally Posted by Haliguy

Events Halifax has hosted off the top of my head which were all very successful

- The World Juniors 2003 - broke records for attendance

- IIHF Worlds

- The tall ships (5 times) 1984, 2000, 2004 2007 and comming up in 2009

- The G7 1995

- Womens Worlds Hockey 2004

- The Juno awards 2006

- The Memorial cup 2000

- The Brier (Several of times)

- The Rolling Stones 2006

- World Figure Skating 1992




There has been failures thats for sure which I'm not happy about altough I couldn't care less about Celine Dion in some ways I think she looked just as bad. Halifax has had a lot more going than Moncton we'll see if Moncton doesn't have any into the future. I do predict a CFL team in Moncton if it happens would be a failure.

That's great and I've got nothing else to say about it...except see you over in the CFL thread

You will never see me post in the Halifax or the SJ thread, because I just don't care. This thread is about Moncton and Moncton only.

Monctonians, let's keep it that way and this is how:

Do not feed the trolls, disregard their posts.

[q12]

Originally Posted by JasonL-Moncton

Of course you do.



Really...??

1998 - Lynrd Skynrd, Heart, Peter Frampton, Steppenwolf, Foreigner, Toronto, Headpins. Two days, 40,000+ per day.

2005 - Maroon 5, Our Lady Peace, Tragically Hip, Rolling Stones. 85,000
- Promoter invest's in $250K stage pad at concert site (increased infrastructure)

2006 - Brooks & Dunn, Alan Jackson, Sugarland, George Canyon. 45,000

2007 - J.P. Cormier, Jessie Farrell, Shirley Albert, The Divorcees, Leahy, George Canyon, Johnny Reid, Faith Hill, Tim McGraw. 50,000

2008 - John Fogerty, KT Tunstall, Sam Roberts, The Eagles. 55,000
-Province invest's 1.2 Million into infrastructure improvements include: enhancing power sources, artists' backstage administration area, washrooms, crowd control barricades, and other capital items.

2009 - AC/DC? U2? ???
- Current talk is there is going to be two large concerts this summer on 'the hill'.
- Province/City investing more $$ into concert site for increased infrastructure.

One big concert...dude, please.

I've been to all three provinces for outdoor concerts (I was at 'both' Stones concerts), even if I didn't live here, I would say hands down, Magnetic Hill is the best venue. No question. Yes Halifax has successfully put on some great events...but it should leave the outdoor concerts to Moncton.

JL

Number of people who attended a Rolling Stones Concert on Magnetic Hill - 85,000

Number of people who attended the 2003 World Junior Hockey Championship (Halifax & Sydney) - 242,173

Number of people who attended the 2008 World Men's Hockey Championship (Halifax's portion) - 203,925

Number of people estimated to visit Halifax for the 2009 Tall Ships - 1 Million

Putting a Moncton forum boaster in their place... Priceless

[StormShadow]

Originally Posted by q12

Number of people who attended a Rolling Stones Concert on Magnetic Hill - 85,000

Number of people who attended the 2003 World Junior Hockey Championship (Halifax & Sydney) - 242,173

Number of people who attended the 2008 World Men's Hockey Championship (Halifax's portion) - 203,925

Number of people estimated to visit Halifax for the 2009 Tall Ships - 1 Million

Putting a Moncton forum boaster in their place... Priceless

Don't feed the Troll.

[brod3211]

Agreed so back to normal stuff what is happening this summer any idea's on the concerts here ?

Any new information on the two condos by valmond? I would like to hear about this stuff , Its tome to move on from all this other talk

[riverviewer]

So they canceled Bridgedale Blvd.... I guess you guys were right about the cost benefits. Trunk sewer's are definitely more important to development.

[BlackYear]

Originally Posted by riverviewer

So they canceled Bridgedale Blvd.... I guess you guys were right about the cost benefits. Trunk sewer's are definitely more important to development.

I don't think they canceled it, I believe they placed it on hold for the next 2 years.

[StormShadow]

U2 hasn't announced anything for the summer- yet. I'm sure they will be hitting the road. That would be the biggest coup for the Hill.

AC/DC will be touring in Europe until the end of June, they will come back to North America for the summer/fall. I would venture to guess an outdoor stadium tour. Very good possibility for the Hill. I am so there if it's them.

Bon Jovi is doing a small summer tour, mainly outdoor festivals. Their music has crossed over to other genres, so their audience is wide. Good possibility.

Metallica is touring this summer in Europe, so they're out. Def Leppard/Poison are fully booked. Motley Crue is doing Cruefest 2 and that's fully booked. That covers the music I am into. So I'm not sure what Brit Spears and all them are up to.

If they want to go after the Eagles crowd again, Fleetwood Mac could be an option, they are touring right now.