[Halifax] Nova Centre | 65-58-58 m | 16-15-14 fl | Completed - Page 222

teddifax · #**4421** Posted **Jul 23, 2015, 7:53 PM**

I would love to see Scotiabank Centre expanded into the WTCC. I have said this before, is it possible to reconfigure the seating to have more.

LordGarak · #**4422** Posted **Jul 23, 2015, 10:48 PM**

Its a shame that they are not continuing to operate the WTCC along side the new convention centre. There is not nearly enough large venues in this city. The only other big nice(sorta) venue is the Cunard center and it kinda sucks. Next to that are relatively small hotel ballrooms.

The WTCC space is all below the ice surface level so it it won't really allow the the metro centre to expand seating or anything. It would just offer extra room for back of house kinda stuff. There is a nice big freight elevator connecting the two facilities.

someone123 · #**4423** Posted **Jul 29, 2015, 1:20 AM**

Interesting angle for the Nova Centre:

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Jonovision · #**4424** Posted **Aug 2, 2015, 10:05 PM**

I don't think this has been posted here yet, and it is related as its an experiment to look at what a pedestrianized Argyle St could look like.

counterfactual · #**4425** Posted **Aug 2, 2015, 11:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jonovision

I don't think this has been posted here yet, and it is related as its an experiment to look at what a pedestrianized Argyle St could look like.

This is awesome.

I think what is needed, to also succeed, is a greater mix of shops on Argyle and Blowers. Right now, it's a bunch of bars/cafes. That's great, but having some small retail to bring shoppers there would also be great.

curnhalio · #**4426** Posted **Aug 3, 2015, 2:37 AM**

Heh. Argyle Street looks like an Argyle sweater. I wonder if that was done on purpose.

counterfactual · #**4427** Posted **Aug 3, 2015, 3:12 AM**

So, tell me again why Argyle can't be closed to traffic year 'round? So long as you allow cars/trucks for deliveries in mornings, why do you need cars going through there?

I think if you close it down, a more interesting mix of retail/businesses move in there. Doing a few weeks of "experiments" is setting up that experiment to fail. It takes time for something more organic to build up around this space.

pblaauw · #**4428** Posted **Aug 3, 2015, 3:31 AM**

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Heh. Argyle Street looks like an Argyle sweater. I wonder if that was done on purpose.

Totally by accident.

Nouvellecosse · #**4429** Posted **Aug 3, 2015, 5:21 AM**

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So, tell me again why Argyle can't be closed to traffic year 'round? So long as you allow cars/trucks for deliveries in mornings, why do you need cars going through there?

I think if you close it down, a more interesting mix of retail/businesses move in there. Doing a few weeks of "experiments" is setting up that experiment to fail. It takes time for something more organic to build up around this space.

Yeah it just doesn't make sense to me that people would be afraid to pedestrianize that type of street or use the argument of it damaging business. I mean, I just can't imagine myself thinking "Hey, I want to get something at, say, the World Tea House, so I'm going to get into the car and park directly on Argyle St while I do my shopping." I mean, the chances of finding on-street parking downtown are kind of hit and miss anyway let alone on the exact specific street as a store you want to visit.

When I go downtown with the car, I will normally either park at the library or Queen St. Sobeys, (I hate that they have surface lots there but my not using them won't make them disappear) and walk to my final destination. Sometimes I may see if there's on street parking on Summer St. or Sackville St beside the garden. I've even parked at Quinpool Superstore and walked down depending on if I'm in a hurry or it's a casual visit. But I would never count on parking on a specific downtown street.

Keith P. · #**4430** Posted **Aug 3, 2015, 1:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jonovision

I don't think this has been posted here yet, and it is related as its an experiment to look at what a pedestrianized Argyle St could look like.

What it looks like mostly, is empty.

Surely we have learned by now that turning streets into pedestrian malls does not work.

RangerNS · #**4431** Posted **Aug 3, 2015, 1:14 PM**

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Surely we have learned by now that turning streets into pedestrian malls does not work.

By what standard of "work"? No, it isn't a viable route for cars anymore, but it never really was.

counterfactual · #**4432** Posted **Aug 3, 2015, 8:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Keith P.

What it looks like mostly, is empty.

Surely we have learned by now that turning streets into pedestrian malls does not work.

See my post above. Little "experiments" like this prove nothing. I'm not sure why this street would be "filled". It's mostly bars on Argyle. What are they supposed to do? Stand around looking at each other?

I think you need, first, maybe some of those light tables and chairs all over the street, so people can actually sit and hang around. Then you need more shopping options. Those are coming (nearby, on Barrington, anyways), but a few weeks in July doesn't "prove" anything about pedestrian streets. I've seen some excellent examples of highly successful pedestrian streets, but it doesn't happen overnight.

counterfactual · #**4433** Posted **Aug 3, 2015, 8:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Yeah it just doesn't make sense to me that people would be afraid to pedestrianize that type of street or use the argument of it damaging business. I mean, I just can't imagine myself thinking "Hey, I want to get something at, say, the World Tea House, so I'm going to get into the car and park directly on Argyle St while I do my shopping." I mean, the chances of finding on-street parking downtown are kind of hit and miss anyway let alone on the exact specific street as a store you want to visit.

When I go downtown with the car, I will normally either park at the library or Queen St. Sobeys, (I hate that they have surface lots there but my not using them won't make them disappear) and walk to my final destination. Sometimes I may see if there's on street parking on Summer St. or Sackville St beside the garden. I've even parked at Quinpool Superstore and walked down depending on if I'm in a hurry or it's a casual visit. But I would never count on parking on a specific downtown street.

Very much agreed. Who thinks they're actually going to park here?

If I'm driving downtown, and not walking, I'll often park in the underground parking lot for Pete's Frootique. It's the perfect location; and it's also pretty easy to spend $20 at Pete's to make it free. On Sundays it's also free.

The problem until now, is that there wasn't even this option (underground parking) around the city, like you do in, say, Toronto where there are pretty much a new buildings on every second block with underground parking. So people just complain about "no parking". I think as more of these big developments around here come online, street parking becomes less of an issue because each development has an underground parking lot that comes with it, that the public can use. It won't be free, but it'll be convenient.

Eventually the cheap ass Halifax attitude that people are "entitled" to free parking, like the world is a big strip mall, will change. People will make use of these convenient underground parking lots, like they do in every other city, and shut up about no parking. And then there will be less moaning about having a pedestrian street like this.

Colin May · #**4434** Posted **Aug 4, 2015, 12:03 AM**

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Interesting angle for the Nova Centre:

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The departure of the Louis is more interesting.

Ziobrop · #**4435** Posted **Aug 4, 2015, 12:08 PM**

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The departure of the Louis is more interesting.

Given she is now homeported in St. John's the fact she shows up here as often as she does is pretty interesting. Shes off with the Terry Fox doing a 6 week survey of the arctic sea bed in support of canada's submission under United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

Jonovision · #**4436** Posted **Aug 6, 2015, 11:16 PM**

Haliguy · #**4437** Posted **Aug 11, 2015, 1:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Keith P.

What it looks like mostly, is empty.

Surely we have learned by now that turning streets into pedestrian malls does not work.

How does it not work?

Drybrain · #**4438** Posted **Aug 11, 2015, 2:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Keith P.

What it looks like mostly, is empty.

Surely we have learned by now that turning streets into pedestrian malls does not work.

A: It was busy last Thursday at 2 pm when I was there.

B: Pedestrian malls work in some locations, not in others.

C: This isn't a pedestrian mall.

Keith P. · #**4439** Posted **Aug 11, 2015, 4:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Drybrain

A: It was busy last Thursday at 2 pm when I was there.

B: Pedestrian malls work in some locations, not in others.

C: This isn't a pedestrian mall.

If you cannot transit vehicles through a street you have made it into a pedestrian mall. On a Thursday at 2PM I believe the evil vehicles are still permitted there.

Jonovision · #**4440** Posted **Aug 11, 2015, 10:49 PM**