noirish Los Angeles

[Bristolian]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Now that is a good idea ProphetM.


I cringe every time I see this postcard in particular.


ebay

Jeez-Loueez, it looks like every single person drove their own car!
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Martin Pal, do you have any idea when this was taken? I'm curious whether it was a playoff game or some other game of extra significance.

I also tried to find info on the postcard but came up empty. It's difficult to put a date on it but it certainly looks like it 's from before the makeover and addition of the high dollar luxury seats behind home plate. If that's the case, extra field box seats used to be put in for post-season games. They would have been sticking out beyond the permanent seats on both foul lines, just beyond the dugouts and that doesn't look to be the case here.

[FASTER345]

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Is this the area you're talking about BGC & UphillDonkey?


google_earth

There are definitely old foundations and pathways within the patch of trees.

here's a closer look.


google_earth

I believe you two are correct ...this spot appears to be remains of the old Palos Verdes College. Good eye(s)!
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Of course I had to look for my 'mystery' tank as well.


detail / 1947






Well I didn't find it , but I noticed one lot is missing a house in about the same location.

(I've rotated this image to match the direction of the 1947 photo) NORTH is at bottom.

google_earth



This is a shot-in-the-dark, but could this lot be contaminated by what was in the old tank-


detail

It's a possibility, right?

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postscript:

Just as I was about to leave the area, I noticed a tank that appears to be identical in shape and size to the 1947 tank.


detail / google_earth

Was the 1947 tank moved to make way for the housing development on the ridge?



This tank is located down the hill on the other side and in a direct line with the old tank 'location' and the remains of Palos Verdes College.

NORTH is at left

google_earth

See what I mean.
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*Of course this 2nd tank would NOT have been visible in the 1947 photo.
so it might have been there all along.

Long time reader, first time poster here. I went to see the remains of the PV College yesterday, walked among the foundations and remains of some walls. Nice little hike! To answer your question about the tanks, I found this aerial from 1952 clearly showing both tanks (marked with red and blue arrows). Cheers!

[Bristolian]

Impressive debut, FASTER345!

[FASTER345]

Originally Posted by Bristolian

Impressive debut, FASTER345!

Thank you sir! (or madam).

[CityBoyDoug]

Eight minute film of Los Angeles 1917....the downtown traffic is mostly chaos with no painted intersection crosswalks. Shows most of the inner city landmarks of that era.


https://youtu.be/Y4kxRlV2b4M

[tovangar2]

Chris Nichols re his item on "Razing the Bar":

"Gosh, that was a while ago. I did send one interested party their way but nothing came of it. Let me see if I can track down that family again. I might have my notes… "


Stay tuned :-)

[CityBoyDoug]

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/asset...-super-169.jpg

1953....Jesus Fernandez Munoz dropped 50 feet and hit the concrete floor of the Los Angeles River.

[CityBoyDoug]

The original French Dip from famous LA's Philippe's Restaurant.


https://ourlifeinmeals.files.wordpre...4/img_0532.jpg

Feeling a bit noirish this week.....rent this old '49 Cadillac for the weekend. Drive it to Philippe's for a retro nosh.


https://regencycarrentals.com/wp-con...ls-798x466.jpg

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

Eight minute film of Los Angeles 1917....the downtown traffic is mostly chaos with no painted intersection crosswalks. Shows most of the inner city landmarks of that era.

https://youtu.be/Y4kxRlV2b4M

At 6:55 is the home of a girl who killed her parents...Beulah Overell is a good slice of noirish Los Angeles. We saw her here in 2012 in post 8134




The house's full story is here

[oldstuff]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

from the Winsel Gibbs Seed Catalog, Los Angeles [1925]



ebay



49th & Main today



makes me want to go back in time.

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Charles Winsel was born in Belgium in 1868. He came to the US in 1887. He and his partner had a retail seed store in the Rueder block on Main Street downtown. They also had a nursery at 509 E. Third, and from the info on the sign, another at Main and 49th. Charles Winsel, in 1920- 1930 lived with his wife Bertha at 642 N. Jackson, Glendale. The Glendale address appears to be apartments now. The 509 E. Third address is parking lots, and possibly part of the property of the Buddist Temple.

Robert Gibbs was born in June of 1894. He had been an employee of Charles Winsel and after he served in WWI, he became the junior partner in the seed business. His house, where he lived in 1930 at 4301 Kenwood Avenue, in Los Angeles, is still there and appears to be in good repair. This house was only a dozen blocks or so from the location of the nursery at Main and 49th

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by FASTER345

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Long time reader, first time poster here. I went to see the remains of the PV College yesterday, walked among the foundations and remains of some walls.
Nice little hike! To answer your question about the tanks, I found this aerial from 1952 clearly showing both tanks (marked with red and blue arrows). Cheers!

Great sleuthing FASTER345! Thanks for the aerial.



Here's the ridge-top tank from yet another angle.



Unless I missed it, has anyone suggested what type of tank this might be? I, for one, can't figure it out. I mean, what's that on top...an air vent?




tank detail from this photo.


https://www.palosverdeshistory.org/i...ject/pvld:3449

Originally Posted by FASTER345

I went to see the remains of the PV College yesterday, walked among the foundations and remains of some walls.

So cool. I would have liked to have joined you.

I am somewhat surprised that anything of the college is left at all. The buildings appear rather makeshift/temporary.


palos verdes history

They even lack foundations. (unless the foundations were added later, but I doubt it)

" The site was temporary pending the construction of a large permanent campus on a nearby parcel of land."
-the other campus was never built due to lack of funds.


-and the college didn't last long / "the campus finally closed down in 1955."

[ethereal_reality]

The "nearby parcel of land" (mentioned above) was the top of the ridge.


https://books.google.com/books?id=5V...ege%22&f=false
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[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

They even lack foundations. (unless the foundations were added later, but I doubt it)

" The site was temporary pending the construction of a large permanent campus on a nearby parcel of land."
-the other campus was never built due to lack of funds.


-and the college didn't last long / "the campus finally closed down in 1955."

How the college was built....very light construction.


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4564/...16cbfd_o_d.jpg

[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

There are three blurry names advertised on the truck. Can anyone make them out?

Since no one took me up on the challange:

#1 Bubbles LaRue (?)

#2 Dagmar

#3 Margo
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#1

Video: BUBBLES LaRUE

(I think my Dad had this on 8mm hidden at the bottom of our coat closet)



#2

i.pinimg





#3


Girl Show

1940s Burlesque headliner MARGO

[ethereal_reality]

'mystery' location


Bob & Dick, Pacific Palisades, California [1942]


flickr

Any idea where in Pacific Palisades this snapshot was taken?

I've been trying to figure out where the small cafe in the background was located. (and the gate/entryway at far right--------->

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

'mystery' location


Bob & Dick, Pacific Palisades, California [1942]


flickr

Any idea where in Pacific Palisades this snapshot was taken?

I've been trying to figure out where the small cafe in the background was located. (and the gate/entryway at far right--------->

Those high walls of geography in back appear to be the Santa Monica Bluffs....Palisades Park sits on top of that. Since 1942 I think that a lot of those cliffs have eroded....especially in the mid 1950s.

Related image?


https://calisphere.org/clip/500x500/...118ad4bb5be631

[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

The "nearby parcel of land" was the top of the ridge.


https://books.google.com/books?id=5V...ege%22&f=false
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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

This tank is located down the hill on the other side and in a direct line with the old tank 'location' and the remains of Palos Verdes College.

NORTH is at left

google_earth

The water tank circled in blue is on "Burma Road," which originally was built as an extension of Crenshaw Boulevard
from Crest Road down to Palos Verdes Drive South. The construction of Crenshaw reactivated an ancient landslide,
which destroyed much of the Portugese Bend Club (and other homes) and continues to plague that area of Palos Verdes.


Here are three views of the Portugese Bend Club taken on February 12, 1955; the first looks west with Palos Verdes
Drive South in the foreground. The club's pier is just east of Inspiration Point:



00088498 at LAPL


This looks a little to the northwest:



00088493 at LAPL


Here's a closer shot of the pier and clubhouse, with "PBC" just above the parking lot:



00088494 at LAPL


This aerial was taken June 12, 1952, with north on the right.
Red dot = Intersection of Crest and Crenshaw
Green dot = Palos Verdes College (which I'd never heard of before, so thanks e_r!)
Yellow dot = Inspiration Point (Portugese Bend Club pier is just below)
Blue dot = Palos Verdes Drive South



Flight imc-2062_2-92 at UCSB


Crenshaw and its sweeping curves are under construction in this July 1, 1956 shot. Inspiration Point and the PBC pier
are cut off at upper left, and a sliver of the Palos Verdes College site is visible just above the right center edge. The
first landslide movement was observed August 17, 1956:



Flight c-22555_29-21 at UCSB


May 1, 1960. You can see below and left of center where the roadway was lost to the landslide. Some homes south of
PV Drive South have been removed:



Flight c-23870_514 at UCSB


April 14, 1983. Inspiration Point is still at upper left, but the PBC pier, clubhouse, and many homes are gone.
Palos Verdes Drive South bends out toward the ocean below and to the right of Inspiration Point:



Flight ami-la-83_11591 at UCSB


Today:



Googlemap Aerial


Read more about the landslide here, here, and here.

[ethereal_reality]

Thanks FW...here's a bit more on the landslide.

"Plans to extend Crenshaw Boulevard to the coast had been in the works for years.
As the Los Angeles County Road Department cut across Portuguese Canyon
they removed about 500 tons of Dirt and placed it just below what turned out to be
the escarpment of an ancient landslide. The weight of the dirt reactivated the landslide."
(seen as a white gash in the photo below)


https://books.google.com/books?id=5V...ollege&f=false

"The first indication was on Friday, August 29, 1956 when cracks were noticed in a masonry storm culvert.
In the next month, houses in Portuguese Bend began to shift and crack. Roy McCarroll Jr. reported that the swale
where the Palos Verdes College had been had become a LAKE."

a lake!? how'd that happen?

"In the first month, the land moved 3 to 4 inches a day!!
Although it then slowed considerably, 134 homes were destroyed by the slide or were or damaged so badly they were red tagged and pulled down.


https://books.google.com/books?id=5V...college&f=true

Reminds me of the photographs of Surfridge

[oldstuff]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

The water tank circled in blue is on "Burma Road," which originally was built as an extension of Crenshaw Boulevard
from Crest Road down to Palos Verdes Drive South. The construction of Crenshaw reactivated an ancient landslide,
which destroyed much of the Portugese Bend Club (and other homes) and continues to plague that area of Palos Verdes.


Here are three views of the Portugese Bend Club taken on February 12, 1955; the first looks west with Palos Verdes
Drive South in the foreground. The club's pier is just east of Inspiration Point:



00088498 at LAPL


This looks a little to the northwest:



00088493 at LAPL


Here's a closer shot of the pier and clubhouse, with "PBC" just above the parking lot:



00088494 at LAPL


This aerial was taken June 12, 1952, with north on the right.
Red dot = Intersection of Crest and Crenshaw
Green dot = Palos Verdes College (which I'd never heard of before, so thanks e_r!)
Yellow dot = Inspiration Point (Portugese Bend Club pier is just below)
Blue dot = Palos Verdes Drive South



Flight imc-2062_2-92 at UCSB


Crenshaw and its sweeping curves are under construction in this July 1, 1956 shot. Inspiration Point and the PBC pier
are cut off at upper left, and a sliver of the Palos Verdes College site is visible just above the right center edge. The
first landslide movement was observed August 17, 1956:



Flight c-22555_29-21 at UCSB


May 1, 1960. You can see below and left of center where the roadway was lost to the landslide. Some homes south of
PV Drive South have been removed:



Flight c-23870_514 at UCSB


April 14, 1983. Inspiration Point is still at upper left, but the PBC pier, clubhouse, and many homes are gone.
Palos Verdes Drive South bends out toward the ocean below and to the right of Inspiration Point:



Flight ami-la-83_11591 at UCSB


Today:



Googlemap Aerial


Read more about the landslide here, here, and here.

Just below all of this in the surf is the wreck of the Greek freighter "Dominator" which ran aground in 1961. Parts of it can still be seen at low tide and some dive on the wreck

[Flyingwedge]

Originally Posted by oldstuff

Just below all of this in the surf is the wreck of the Greek freighter "Dominator" which ran aground in 1961. Parts of it can still be seen at low tide and some dive on the wreck

Dominator's grave is to the NW from Portugese Bend, off Rocky Point. CAwreckdivers.org has information and photos here.