Broadway Corridor Development Plan

[jollyburger]

The extra elevator core in the plans found in the dumpster had the extra elevator core marked as residential.

[officedweller]

So are they going to close the alley?

[s211]

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[WarrenC12]

Saw some reaction on twitter to this: 5 stories, 6(!) levels of parking, all on a major transit stop. #fail

[misher]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Saw some reaction on twitter to this: 5 stories, 6(!) levels of parking, all on a major transit stop. #fail

Plans point to a tower of 30-40 stories ontop. However, the Broadway plan hasn't been released yet but we need the station built so this is likely a compromise with the city, approve the initial plans and get demolition started then get the modified plans approved later.

The city knows there's a large tower going in there but they need to pretend to go through the public feedback from the Broadway plan and not freak out everyone with a 40 storey tower before those plans are done. Otherwise every public feedback meeting for Broadway will be a bunch of screaming loons. You'd be surprised how much development planning is done through private discussions, the city and PCI have already agreed on whats going in there.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by misher

Plans point to a tower of 30-40 stories ontop. However, the Broadway plan hasn't been released yet but we need the station built so this is likely a compromise with the city, approve the initial plans and get demolition started then get the modified plans approved later.

The city knows there's a large tower going in there but they need to pretend to go through the public feedback from the Broadway plan and not freak out everyone with a 40 storey tower before those plans are done. Otherwise every public feedback meeting for Broadway will be a bunch of screaming loons. You'd be surprised how much development planning is done through private discussions, the city and PCI have already agreed on whats going in there.

Stretching reality a bit thin.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by officedweller

So are they going to close the alley?

Yes.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

The extra elevator core in the plans found in the dumpster had the extra elevator core marked as residential.

DP drawings have a core, for future residential, in the middle with access via Granville, while office and retail access via Broadway.

To get excavation permits one will need a DP and BP permit and this needs to happen to get the SkyTrain built. This this makes perfect sense to apply the "foundation" permit so agreements and access and fund sharing agreements can be in place and worked out.

See for yourself here: https://development.vancouver.ca/146...undflrplan.pdf

[misher]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

DP drawings have a core, for future residential, in the middle with access via Granville, while office and retail access via Broadway.

To get excavation permits one will need a DP and BP permit and this needs to happen to get the SkyTrain built. This this makes perfect sense to apply the "foundation" permit so agreements and access and fund sharing agreements can be in place and worked out.

See for yourself here: https://development.vancouver.ca/146...undflrplan.pdf

PCI (and possibly a few other silent individuals) has silently been buying up sites to the North of this property for over $2000/sqft land value, I believe 1456 and 1434 W. 8th are owned by PCI. I'm not sure if they plan to connect this site to them. For the plans due to issues only a few portions of the dumpster dived plans were posted but if you read the entire package they've planned for a large development.

[GenWhy?]

Would seem rather expensive to excavate 2 parkades separately at separate times and join them.

[misher]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Would seem rather expensive to excavate 2 parkades separately at separate times and join them.

Build social housing on the North site and negotiate for extra FSR or to be strata for the tower? There is that social housing at 1495 west 8th across the street.
6 floors of parkade may be enough to service both developments too if they only get 10-20 storeys allowed at the RBC site.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by misher

Plans point to a tower of 30-40 stories ontop. However, the Broadway plan hasn't been released yet but we need the station built so this is likely a compromise with the city, approve the initial plans and get demolition started then get the modified plans approved later.

Just because the plan has 40 floors doesn't mean they're going to get 40 floors. If final zoning puts the cap at 28 or something, PCI can only either apply for an exception or downsize.

Originally Posted by logan5

It's disheartening to see a decent piece of architecture being torn down and being replaced with cheap garbage.

I for one would support height increases/subsidies/other incentives for developing with older styles like Art Deco or Modernism.

[logan5]

Could Central Broadway become Vancouver’s equivalent of Toronto’s Bloor Street?

The City of Vancouver has big aspirations to redesign Broadway as a “Great Street,” catalyzed by both the underground Millennium Line Broadway Extension to Arbutus Street and the future Broadway Plan.

In a recent update on the ongoing planning process for the Broadway Plan, a city staff report highlights the proposed principle of turning the east-west arterial street into an attractive corridor in Vancouver’s urban landscape from both changes to the public realm, including street design, and how new developments and businesses activate the street. “Broadway should be enhanced as a street of special significance — a Great Street — with a series of unique and vibrant places to live, work, visit and play,” reads the report. “Street design, new development, public spaces, and businesses should contribute to a delightful experience for everyone and lively gathering places, and help create distinct character areas along Broadway that also serve the local neighbourhoods.”

During the initial public engagement phase for the Broadway Plan this year, respondents told the city the street needs more greenery and street trees and public spaces, including a reallocation of road space to allow for a wider sidewalk. “Broadway, for the most part, is unappealing and needs to be improved aesthetically,” reads the engagement report,” adding that “improving the street to create a destination will help the local businesses attract people. Buildings along Broadway should be appealing and interesting. Broadway needs to be more vibrant, with shopping and a vibrant public life.”

A redesign of much of the segment of Broadway within the Broadway Plan’s designated planning area is expected to be performed in conjunction with subway construction, similar to the work that was conducted a decade ago to redesign Cambie Street, No. 3 Road in Richmond, and Granville Street in downtown alongside the Canada Line’s major construction.

The Broadway Plan’s area covers most of the area framed by 1st Avenue to the north, Clark Drive to the east, 16th Avenue to the south, and Vine Street to the west.

Similar to the work conducted for the Cambie Corridor Plan, the Broadway Plan will provide the Central Broadway Corridor, a part of Metro Vancouver’s Metro Core, with a long-term master plan for new density, new housing types and employment opportunities, new public amenities and facilities, new public spaces, and new transportation.

Further phases of the planning process between Fall 2020 and Summer 2020 will refine the plan’s directions. The plan will be finalized throughout the third and fourth quarters of 2020, with implementation beginning in 2021. Upon city council’s approval of the plan, the interim rezoning policies enacted in April 2019 to limit rezoning and speculation during the planning process will be dismantled.

Construction on the Millennium Line extension is expected to begin in late 2020 for an opening in 2025. Six new subway stations will be built at the corner of Thornton Street and Great Northern Way, and where Broadway intersects with Main Street, Cambie Street, Laurel Street, Granville Street, and Arbutus Street.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/broa...ouver-redesign

[Migrant_Coconut]

Heh, does a bear crap in the woods? It's only a matter of time before Broadway gets there.

[Feathered Friend]

SkyTrain Focused South Granville Office Building Wins UDP Support For Moderate Income Aspirations

1465 – 1489 W Broadway – DP-2019-00704
Perhaps the most interesting secret in our city is the identity of the civic employee who’s leaking information about projects in the Moderate Income Rental Hosing Pilot Program. Once may be a coincidence, but it’s hard to explain how confidential details from three applications could fall into public hands. Still, Hannah and I are grateful to those who left, and found, an intact project booklet in a dumpster, and separately, for those who file freedom of information requests.

Because of them, we knew 865 homes were considered under the MIRHP Program on C-3A zoned sites in the Broadway Corridor. We also knew weeks ago that TransLink was involved with at least one of them. So we were pretty sure something was coming here, but we also realized that the size of the 2528 Birch Street application to the east means predictions of a 40+ floor tower were likely inaccurate. Then again, this Urban Design Panel review proved none of this matters anyway.

https://cityduo.wordpress.com/2019/1...e-aspirations/

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Just because the plan has 40 floors doesn't mean they're going to get 40 floors. If final zoning puts the cap at 28 or something, PCI can only either apply for an exception or downsize.



I for one would support height increases/subsidies/other incentives for developing with older styles like Art Deco or Modernism.

Shows that there are huge demands for 40-storey towers, so why restrict the height? What's the rationale of that? If West Broadway is going to be transformed to something even remotely like Bloor Street of Toronto, even 50-storey structures aren't out of the question.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Vin

Shows that there are huge demands for 40-storey towers, so why restrict the height? What's the rationale of that? If West Broadway is going to be transformed to something even remotely like Bloor Street of Toronto, even 50-storey structures aren't out of the question.

There's demand for widening Broadway to ten lanes, but obviously nobody wants that. Growth for growth's sake isn't a good thing; growth for the sake of a city and skyline as a whole, that's what we should be aiming for.

Central Bloor itself averages 20-30 floors, with only 30+ on a few blocks; west of Spadina and east of Sherbourne, it might as well be Point Grey.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

There's demand for widening Broadway to ten lanes, but obviously nobody wants that. Growth for growth's sake isn't a good thing; growth for the sake of a city and skyline as a whole, that's what we should be aiming for.

Central Bloor itself averages 20-30 floors, with only 30+ on a few blocks; west of Spadina and east of Sherbourne, it might as well be Point Grey.

Nope, the demand for a wider road is only if skytrain won't be built. But since it is, there is no more demand for it. You are just exaggerating about a 10-lane road. There has never been demand for that.

So what's the averages for central Broadway? 10 storeys?Do you know that Bloor will go even higher now because there are currently buildings reaching 60 storeys, and when the One is built, it will be 85 storeys. Bloor also has adjacent streets with really tall towers: example is the new Four Seasons. Let's face it, West Broadway will never get that kind of floor space density.

[scryer]

Originally Posted by Vin

So what's the averages for central Broadway? 10 storeys?Do you know that Bloor will go even higher now because there are currently buildings reaching 60 storeys, and when the One is built, it will be 85 storeys. Bloor also has adjacent streets with really tall towers: example is the new Four Seasons. Let's face it, West Broadway will never get that kind of floor space density.

Exactly and to cut down on CO2 emissions, we need to build taller and denser along major transportation corridors.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Vin

You are just exaggerating about a 10-lane road. There has never been demand for that.

I see you don't use Broadway very often.

Originally Posted by Vin

Nope, the demand for a wider road is only if skytrain won't be built. But since it is, there is no more demand for it.

That's exactly the point. We don't need a wider road when we can have a SkyTrain. We don't need a half-dozen blocks of 40-floor buildings when we can have three dozen blocks averaging 25 floors, with one or two 40s if we so choose.

Originally Posted by Vin

So what's the averages for central Broadway? 10 storeys?Do you know that Bloor will go even higher now because there are currently buildings reaching 60 storeys, and when the One is built, it will be 85 storeys. Bloor also has adjacent streets with really tall towers: example is the new Four Seasons. Let's face it, West Broadway will never get that kind of floor space density.

And the average up to Arbutus can and should be 20-30, and west of that it's already becoming 5-6; central Bloor goes 10, 25, 40, 60, 40, 25, 10, 2. Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.

85-floor towers or not, it's an objective fact that Vancouver (both city and metro) is denser than Toronto despite being 2.5x smaller. One could easily ask if East Bayfront or St Lawrence will become Toronto's equivalent of Yaletown.