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Old Posted Jan 30, 2015, 2:33 PM
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Not to minimize the issue, but if that is the main driver, there has to be a cheaper solution than a $100m library to provide that necessary service....
Agree. This is best delivered at neighborhood libraries.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2015, 2:46 PM
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I was responding to the comment that Libraries are as relevant as typewriters, which was not confined to showy central libraries.
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The key to library traffic is to not make it a library. Put a rooftop restaurant, a mid-level shopping area and then the remaining floors have the books, magazines and movies. But inclusion of internet research databases and meeting rooms for rent could also bring in smaller businesses looking for temporary space. It would make sense to add in some elements of the innovation center as well.
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The key to library traffic is to not make it a library. Put a rooftop restaurant, a mid-level shopping area and then the remaining floors have the books, magazines and movies. But inclusion of internet research databases and meeting rooms for rent could also bring in smaller businesses looking for temporary space. It would make sense to add in some elements of the innovation center as well.
I don't think that is a bad idea, but don't underestimate the ability of a proper central library to draw people, and to be an important community hub. Just look at the Vancouver central library - it is busy all the time, so there are clearly a good number of people who see the library as relevant even in this internet age.
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I actually think libraries are quite relevant in the 21st century, but in a different way than before. They can serve as meeting places for researchers, a place where people can use higher end computers than they normally have access to, in addition to being a repository of print media. There's also some forms of digital media that have to be restricted to local systems and not made available over the internet for various reasons (usually security), that could be accessed at a library.
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If the Sens have both the arena and a central library in their proposal, it might work if they are both anchors for the opposite ends of LeBreton; one at Bayview Station, the other at LeBreton Station.
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Melnyk, NCC must change their ways to make arena plan work

Spencer Callaghan, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: February 1, 2015, Last Updated: February 1, 2015 8:00 AM EST


In any negotiation, there are dozens of variables that can make or break a potential deal. Whatever ends up rising out the once-contaminated mud at LeBreton will inevitably be the product of intense negotiations, collaboration and compromise.

Which is why, despite it being a great idea, a new arena for the Ottawa Senators at LeBreton is unlikely to happen.

It’s hard to imagine two more diametrically opposed parties than the National Capital Commission and Ottawa Senators owner Eugene Melnyk. One is a slow moving, unelected bureaucracy that prioritizes process and principles. The other is a self-made billionaire used to moving quickly and getting his way. Melynk is the unstoppable force, who once told his own fans to “blow themselves up” if they disagreed with the direction of the team. He has been sanctioned by the Ontario Securities Commission for his dealings with Biovail, a company he has since left.

Most recently, Melnyk publicly slammed Ottawa city council when he didn’t get his way on the planned casino redevelopment project. To be fair, he really was shortchanged in that situation (city council’s decision still defies explanation), but Melnyk’s tendency to air grievances in public does not mesh well with an organization like the NCC, for whom the public is more an obstacle than a stakeholder. In short, Melnyk’s public actions don’t reflect a man who has patience for the process, diplomacy, and compromise required to negotiate a deal with the NCC.

The NCC is the immovable object, so bound by process that it once wrote an RFP so convoluted that only one developer responded to it – and they accepted it (leading to the bland condos at LeBreton today)!

Despite the NCC’s recent reforms, it still remains an organization that is highly resistant to accountability and mostly disinterested in public opinion. Take the western LRT debate. As a project, light-rail checks many of the progressive boxes the NCC loves: green, sustainable, smart growth. Yet despite being the will of the majority of the public (as represented by the recent election) the NCC stands on principle to protect a “park” that is actually a highway.

If the NCC is unwilling to budge on a project as progressive as LRT, what chance does a half-billion dollar palace for millionaires to play contact sports and blue collar fans to drink beer have? Add in the fact that the majority of the NCC’s board is not actually from Ottawa, and therefore couldn’t care less about Senators hockey, and the situation looks even more grim.

For an arena to rise at LeBreton Flats, both sides will need diverge significantly from their historic tendencies. Melnyk will need to rein in his tendency to speak first and ask questions later. He will need to understand that the process is going to take time, patience, and diplomacy. He won’t get exactly what he wants, and the eventual result will likely look nothing like what he originally proposed. He will need national partners to build something that is more than just an arena, but a gathering place for all Canadians who visit the capital.

The NCC will need to realize that although LeBreton Flats is their land, this city belongs to its citizens. Rather than start with a list of demands, the NCC should start with a vision of the kind of space they want to create for people, not principles. This city knows all too well what happens when the NCC gets caught up in its principles – boring condos at the former Daly site and LeBreton are prime examples of this thinking. Though tourism is certainly a concern, the site will need to be a space where locals can gather year round, not just when they have visiting relatives.

Ottawa has enough staid spaces that stand on ceremony, and it certainly has enough hyper-commerical spaces that don’t value community and connection. Hopefully the two sides can come together and build something great at LeBreton that combines the best aspects of both to create a lively space that respects both the citizens of Ottawa and its position at the heart of the Nation’s Capital.

Spencer Callaghan is an Ottawa-based marketing and communications strategist at 31digital.ca.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-...rena-plan-work
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An older article, but still an interesting read:

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Ottawa's own backyard a land of missed development opportunities

BARRIE McKENNA
OTTAWA — The Globe and Mail
Published Sunday, Oct. 05 2014, 5:16 PM EDT
Last updated Monday, Oct. 06 2014, 3:41 PM EDT


Hear ye, Hear ye.

The National Capital Commission, much-maligned steward of federal lands in the Ottawa region, is calling on the “world’s best” to transform one of the last patches of undeveloped downtown real estate into a new signature destination for Canada.

“We envisage a bold, new anchor institution that will welcome the public, serve as an economic driver, feature innovative use of the land, and bring design excellence, animation and a unique public experience to the nation’s capital,” according to an invitation for redevelopment proposals on the agency’s website.

Good luck with that.

LeBreton Flats – just west and down the slope from Parliament Hill – was a bustling industrial neighbourhood until the NCC expropriated it in 1962. The Crown Corporation promptly evicted residents, and flattened homes, factories and warehouses to make way for what was to be a massive government complex.

It never happened. Instead, LeBreton Flats became a sad monument to bungled urban planning, missed opportunity and shrunken ambition.

For the next 40-plus years, the 200-acre site sat vacant, a grassy field of broken dreams.

There was a glimmer of hope in 2005 when part of the site became the Canadian War Museum and a park along the banks of the Ottawa River. The NCC later selected Claridge Homes to create a new housing community nearby. A decade later, fewer than 400 people live in two small condo towers, even as the city of nearly one million has sprawled out in every other direction.

Now, the NCC wants the private sector to dream big about the largest parcels of remaining LeBreton Flats land, covering as much as 22 hectares.

Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird, who is also responsible for the NCC, insists the time is ripe to turn LeBreton Flats into “a place that will make all Canadians proud of their capital.”

Kudos to Mr. Baird and the NCC for trying to make up for half a century of neglect. But it’s not at all clear LeBreton Flats’ time has arrived. Yes, the area, now mostly cleared of contaminated soil, is prime urban real estate. And the site will be served by Ottawa’s $2-billion LRT line, expected to open in 2017.

It’s hard to imagine a successful anchor for the site, which is traversed by busy arteries that whisk office workers to their homes in distant Ottawa and Gatineau suburbs.

The NCC has missed the building boom of the past decade.

But that’s nothing new. The NCC also missed the booms of the sixties, seventies, eighties and nineties. Since the late 1980s, it has watched a long list of potential anchor tenants go elsewhere, including an NHL hockey venue, a CFL football stadium, a casino, a convention centre, the National Gallery, the Canadian Museum of History and shopping malls, as well as new headquarters for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the Communications Security Establishment, the Department of National Defence and various other departments and agencies.

The government is also competing against itself. Just a few miles west of LeBreton Flats, the government is hoping to entice developers to help it revitalize a Soviet-style compound of drab government buildings known as Tunney’s Pasture. There is only so much private-sector investment available in a city of Ottawa’s size.

It’s not clear what Mr. Baird and the NCC have in mind. But the use of terms such as “anchor” and “economic driver” suggest retail or hotels. Sea World or a Six Flags amusement park would seem out of the question, with the War Museum and Parliament Hill nearby. But who knows?

New football, baseball and hockey venues have successfully rejuvenated other North American downtowns.

But this too is an unlikely option. A move downtown by the Ottawa Senators, which is heavily invested in the suburban Canadian Tire Centre, would seem improbable in the short-term. The renovated TD Place, home of the CFL RedBlacks, is barely two months old. A city-built baseball stadium has been without a team for much of the past decade.

And the current federal government doesn’t have a great track record when it comes to thinking big about its hometown. A prime site near the Supreme Court of Canada has long been tapped to become a permanent home for the Federal Court, now scattered about in various buildings.

The government instead wants to erect a memorial to victims of communism.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle20937923/
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I wonder how the recent John Baird news is going to affect the Lebreton Flats redevelopment, considering that the NCC reports directly to the Minister of Foreign Affairs.
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Not sure the John Baird announcement will change much, though I suppose it will depend entirely on who replaces him. Someone from the National Capital Region could be good for the NCC, whereas a new minister that comes from elsewhere (especially Alberta) may be bad. Yet to be seen...

As for the Senators proposing a new arena on LeBreton, I think this is a terrible idea. It's not the sort of anchor institution we need there. We need something that is at least open 12hrs a day, maybe even some 24hr features -- not an arena that will be open once every few days for only a few hours at a time.

If the Sens really want to move downtown, then consider striking up a deal with the City for land at Bayview. Build the new arena right overtop of the Bayview O-Train station and integrate both the Trillium and Confederation lines into the design.

Then it wouldn't matter which direction patrons are coming from, they could essentially hop on the LRT and be at the game/event with minimal transfers.

I can't think of a better use for land overtop of the LRT tracks...
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Someone from the National Capital Region could be good for the NCC, whereas a new minister that comes from elsewhere (especially Alberta) may be bad. Yet to be seen...
And then there's Pierre Poilievre whose logic and reasoning comes from nowhere.
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Then it wouldn't matter which direction patrons are coming from, they could essentially hop on the LRT and be at the game/event with minimal transfers.

I can't think of a better use for land overtop of the LRT tracks...
The Lebreton RFP includes land budging right up to Bayview Station. The Sens bid may have put the arena there and left space at 'Lebreton proper' for something more busy year-round. We'll see. I'm expecting something like Lansdowne, except on a bigger scale.
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As for the Senators proposing a new arena on LeBreton, I think this is a terrible idea.
Terrible, indeed.....
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And then there's Pierre Poilievre whose logic and reasoning comes from nowhere.
PP is an arrogant goon!
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The Lebreton RFP includes land budging right up to Bayview Station. The Sens bid may have put the arena there and left space at 'Lebreton proper' for something more busy year-round. We'll see. I'm expecting something like Lansdowne, except on a bigger scale.
It'd be great if we could see what all the proposals for LeBreton are... Alas, doubtful that the "new and open" NCC would ever release those before making a decision...
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It'd be great if we could see what all the proposals for LeBreton are... Alas, doubtful that the "new and open" NCC would ever release those before making a decision...
Well if they let us know... then there would be the whole issue of the public knowing what they missed out on. Which is worse than the proposals being hidden from view.
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Terrible, indeed.....
I like the idea being at Lebreton, it should have never been in Kanata in the first place.
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FYI the RFQ and all the addenda have been posted on the NCC site
http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/planning/ma...lebreton-flats

this is the most interesting one... list of everyone who attended the site meeting (p. 25)
http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/sites/defau...addendum-3.pdf

For developers it included:
Brigil, Brickland Timberlay, Broccolini, Capital Sports + Entertainment, Claridge, Mastercraft Starwood, Minto, Windmill,

Architects included mecanoo (!!! http://www.mecanoo.nl/Projects), Perkins + Will, aA, GRC, HOK, IBI, Barry Padolsky, bbb, HDR, Moriyama and Teshima, NORR,

Lots of engineers, construction companies, and planners as well NEWSEUM Inc was also there.

Several requests to extend the timeline, so firms could set up agreements with potential partners
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Wow, looking promising, I think the chances of Claridge winning this one are close to nil with such competition.
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Wow, looking promising, I think the chances of Claridge winning this one are close to nil with such competition.
Claridge has been stepping up their game with aA and HPA lately, maybe they are partnering with aA again.
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